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28 Apr 2005, 20:02
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So you are getting roided?
A little article about getting roided. (Authors views only)
Yes, yes, we all know the feeling. You wake up, to find incomings. Sometimes without defence fleet. You know you are gonna get roided, and there is little you can do with it.
Or is it?
Lets take a look at a couple of things you can do.
1: RUF aka Run your fleet.
If all is hopeless, you feel like your gonna cry and stop playing.
Remember, your fleet is what's keeping you alive. Dont EVER loose your fleet on a defence. Its better to live to fight another day. Set your fleet in prelaunch. And you are safe.
2: RETAL
You get so angry that you are about to burst. You got your attackfleet home? GOOD, make him BLEED. Send your attack fleet at your target. This is a good option if the eta is for instance ETA 4 or so. He'll notice your fleet. And sometimes he wont get def, so he pulls, and you pull (If you want to that is, sometimes its nice to keep going) You also need ofc to check if ur fleet is capable of hitting your attacker. Usually it is, but check just in case. Dont want to give thoose zik's another pop at your fleet.
3: STAND
Okay, lets say your a terran getting attacked by xan FI (yes yes, i know alot of other ways a xan attacks) Get a unitscan of your attacker. Calculate and check abit what he might be sending. (sometimes there is an expirienced player in the end of your attack so he may be faking things) Anyways, do a battlecalc: http://bcalc.visionhq.org/
if you find out that your attacker will loose more than 17k of value on getting roids from you defending with anti fi, stand with it. Send out all other ships, set them in prelaunch etc and wait for the attacker to get a big big suprise when he lands. If possible, do a retal after crushing his attackfleet. Remember, the value of 17k is meant for early in the round. The numbers should be around 40k mid round and 80k late round.
4: Build your own defence.
Okay, this is abit dearing and tasking assignment. BUT, it is possible, I did it alto of times in round 12. Have some resources stored. Always. If you are small, ask your MoD for a "loan/donation to help with your own defence" -You'll never gonna pay back probably, but he dont know it.
Take a unitscan or fleetscan on your attacker, and figure out what's incoming. Then start building that anti ship type. and that one ONLY. That way he'll both see that you have used your rather huge reserve resources, and know that he will meet more def than he already sees.
Remember that valueloss also accounts in this.
Now, lets take some more rather general things.
1: ALWAYS REPORT INCOMINGS THE MINUTE YOU SEE THEM. DONT SCAN FIRST, DONT CRY, DONT PANIC, REPORT YOUR INCOMINGS AT ONCE.
2: Always idle in galaxychannel. Luck is when one of your galmates are avaliable for a minute and can offer you some help.
3: DONT ever send angry messages! Not with alliance name, calling him names etc etc, chance is that he'll gonna remember you better, and repay the visit. If you get so angry. Walk away! Take a deep breath, a sig, a beer, something that relaxes you. Remember this is just a game. Nothing more, nothing less.
Now just for my closing.
Getting roided sucks. I know, I've been there so many times and we all have. Dont give up, dont quit, dont jump in a lake etc. Get back in the saddle, whine abit bout it in the alliance channel, but start planning for new attacks, report coords etc. Then you will one day finally see his angry messages when you repay him the visit.
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Last edited by Kargool; 30 Nov 2005 at 05:47.
Reason: Just wanted to revisit this thread as I have changed views slightly on some of the issues and I still think its a good thread to read for new PA players.
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28 Apr 2005, 20:36
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Re: So you are getting roided?
Option 5 - Attack someone else. Nick someone elses rocks to make up for what you lose..
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28 Apr 2005, 20:46
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Re: So you are getting roided?
can we stick this thread in strategy discussions as a sticky?
I kinda like this thread
good post kargool.
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29 Apr 2005, 00:08
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Re: So you are getting roided?
I like it
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29 Apr 2005, 08:48
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Re: So you are getting roided?
I hope newbies don't randomly use option 2 to plunge their fleet as salvage/ship donations to a larger enemy.
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29 Apr 2005, 09:27
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Re: So you are getting roided?
Quote:
Originally Posted by Kargool
1: ALWAYS REPORT INCOMINGS THE MINUTE YOU SEE THEM. DONT SCAN FIRST, DONT CRY, DONT PANIC, REPORT YOUR INCOMINGS AT ONCE.
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That's stupid. Don't cry, don't panic, but please do scan. Giving your DC a Fleet Analysis to go with your incoming is always good and never bad.
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29 Apr 2005, 14:06
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Re: So you are getting roided?
First report. then scan. It's the best way.
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29 Apr 2005, 14:59
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Re: So you are getting roided?
Quote:
Originally Posted by Kargool
First report. then scan. It's the best way.
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29 Apr 2005, 16:32
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Re: So you are getting roided?
Quote:
Originally Posted by Kargool
First report. then scan. It's the best way.
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No. Report with the Fleet Analysis. A DC will love you more than anything if he/she doesn't have to work out what an incoming is first.
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29 Apr 2005, 16:44
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Re: So you are getting roided?
Nice post mate helps will help out a lot of people so
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29 Apr 2005, 20:39
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Re: So you are getting roided?
In most cases, and at the moment most people dont have fleetscans. But ofc, give them the scans you can get.
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30 Apr 2005, 02:28
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Re: So you are getting roided?
True, the messages thing... Everytime i got angry messages 'I'll crush you', 'my big ally will ruin your round', 'ahah you think you'll get a single roid with that fleet?' or funny ones 'i'm a young girl it's my first round please can you cancel your attack'... i know i'll have a quiet landing. Sure enough, if you're gonna crush you're attacker the last thing you want is for him to pull.
About building def ships before the attacker lands, don't forget the 'engineers priority' to lower the production time if needed. and make the ships out of prod for the tick he lands not before (so a last minute unit scan won't show them).
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30 Apr 2005, 07:35
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Re: So you are getting roided?
ive been roided i think 24 times this rd, i cant even get above 300 roids. heh
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30 Apr 2005, 07:37
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Re: So you are getting roided?
scans plus bcalc then pming MO = cookie.
and more likely to get covered too
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30 Apr 2005, 07:38
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Re: So you are getting roided?
well nothing new...
but some n00bs will help it...
if i have that i do one of those things:
running...
or psychodef with prduction hehe
and this round roids arent important.. cause u get em easy... with shitload of xp...
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30 Apr 2005, 07:58
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Re: So you are getting roided?
Quote:
Originally Posted by Makhil
True, the messages thing... Everytime i got angry messages 'I'll crush you', 'my big ally will ruin your round', 'ahah you think you'll get a single roid with that fleet?' or funny ones 'i'm a young girl it's my first round please can you cancel your attack'... i know i'll have a quiet landing. Sure enough, if you're gonna crush you're attacker the last thing you want is for him to pull.
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I have to say that a few times this round I've sent immature messages to my attackers.
Once it was an ugly fleetcatch where I was losing 170k value in fleet (attacker landed and lost similar). Twice people have landed CR and lost everything. I'm such a leet trickster, yes? :/
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30 Apr 2005, 10:48
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Re: So you are getting roided?
nice thread, i like it. May help some new players (and even older ones) stop quiting becuase they get roided
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30 Apr 2005, 15:27
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Re: So you are getting roided?
Quote:
Originally Posted by Kargool
A little article about getting roided. (Authors views only)
1: RUF aka Run your fleet.
If all is hopeless, you feel like your gonna cry and stop playing.
Remember, your fleet is what's keeping you alive. Dont EVER loose your fleet on a defence. Its better to live to fight another day. Set your fleet in prelaunch. And you are safe.
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As far as I know, the pre-launch thing has been fixed last round already.
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30 Apr 2005, 15:48
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Re: So you are getting roided?
Quote:
Originally Posted by Guran
As far as I know, the pre-launch thing has been fixed last round already.
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What exactly do you 'know' about the pre-launch 'thing'?
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30 Apr 2005, 16:51
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Re: So you are getting roided?
Well I've 'ran' my fleet using pre-launch two or three times this round, and it seems to work.
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30 Apr 2005, 17:39
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Re: So you are getting roided?
From what I've heard, it was initially disabled, the ability to escape battles whilst in pre-launch that is, and then re-enabled a few days later.
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30 Apr 2005, 17:45
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Re: So you are getting roided?
Quote:
Originally Posted by _ryzekiel_
From what I've heard, it was initially disabled, the ability to escape battles whilst in pre-launch that is, and then re-enabled a few days later.
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I think you might be right - they were at least considering removing that, anyway. A lot of people complained about this 'feature' (now a feature, was a bug! )
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30 Apr 2005, 21:49
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Re: So you are getting roided?
Quote:
Originally Posted by Banned
What exactly do you 'know' about the pre-launch 'thing'?
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Was referring to this.
http://pirate.planetarion.com/showth...ight=prelaunch
After I heard Spinner disabled it I haven't tried it anymore so I'm not certain if it works or not.
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30 Apr 2005, 21:57
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Re: So you are getting roided?
would be nice if there was some clear info on this, i dont exactly fancy chancing my fleet on it
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30 Apr 2005, 22:54
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Re: So you are getting roided?
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Then you don't 'know' much. Prelaunched fleets still don't take part in combat.
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30 Apr 2005, 23:03
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Re: So you are getting roided?
Fair enough. I don't know much.
Thank You for clearing that up!
Silly me for believing what PA team says.
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30 Apr 2005, 23:18
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Re: So you are getting roided?
It works
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1 May 2005, 00:05
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Re: So you are getting roided?
Quote:
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Silly me for believing what PA team says.
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1 May 2005, 13:26
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Re: So you are getting roided?
It was changed during the beta for R12 to mean that prelaunched fleets took part in combat (that was the period the posts in that thread were made). However, there were some problems, and it didn't work, so it was reverted to the previous method where prelaunched fleets do not take part in combat.
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1 May 2005, 20:56
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Re: So you are getting roided?
I always threaten my attackers with a solid battering if he dares to approach one more tick
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1 May 2005, 21:11
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Re: So you are getting roided?
Quote:
Originally Posted by Lunar_Lamp
It was changed during the beta for R12 to mean that prelaunched fleets took part in combat (that was the period the posts in that thread were made). However, there were some problems, and it didn't work, so it was reverted to the previous method where prelaunched fleets do not take part in combat.
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Thanks for clearing that up
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30 Nov 2005, 05:34
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Re: So you are getting roided?
can't you just edit the original post? Then it would really become sticky worthy
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30 Nov 2005, 05:52
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Re: So you are getting roided?
done and done
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30 Nov 2005, 06:18
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Re: So you are getting roided?
\o/
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30 Nov 2005, 12:15
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Re: So you are getting roided?
Option 5:
Report the planet to the MHs. Sweet talk with the MH and get him to recall the attackers fleet.
-this may only work if u r in certain alliance(s)-
but a valid and ace tactoc.
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<JC`> i sent him a msg saying Wishmaster 0wns, so he recalled
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30 Nov 2005, 12:39
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Re: So you are getting roided?
Being a Zik and saving res just makes the day liveable, when you steal several hundred ships for a few roids etc
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30 Nov 2005, 16:00
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Re: So you are getting roided?
some nice points... some things are not the correct way tho at all.. as has been pointed out by others already.
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30 Nov 2005, 17:16
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Re: So you are getting roided?
Option 7 or whatever it is, i didnt read after the first 5 lines..
Spend the rest of the rd cov opping the bashing ****er for the rest of the rd. (or is that just me)
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30 Nov 2005, 18:39
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Re: So you are getting roided?
Nice thread kargool, An addition that would come under stand...
Salvage/steal profit... for example in these b report.
http://parser.visionhq.org/index.php...b2060007e996ba
in this B report I knew I wasnt going to get the co element covered, so as an alternative approach I opped to wipe as many spiders as possible by getting beetle flak in the form of xan fi so that the harpys can do more damage.
Whilst you still going to lose roids, there is no reason why you cant convert some of them attacking ships into resources.
edit- via 0 loss ships
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30 Nov 2005, 20:49
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Re: So you are getting roided?
A nice thread for new players but I personally do this different. I wouldn't advise it though.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Kargool
3: DONT ever send angry messages! Not with alliance name, calling him names etc etc, chance is that he'll gonna remember you better, and repay the visit. If you get so angry. Walk away! Take a deep breath, a sig, a beer, something that relaxes you. Remember this is just a game. Nothing more, nothing less.
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I nearly ALWAYS mail an attacker and tell him if he comes any closer he will get roided, along with his galaxy, and his alliance. Then I attack him, and his galaxy. Then I mail him to laugh at him.
Sometimes I laugh at his alliance
Lo VGN.
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30 Nov 2005, 22:51
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Re: So you are getting roided?
Quote:
Originally Posted by Makhil
True, the messages thing... Everytime i got angry messages 'I'll crush you', 'my big ally will ruin your round', 'ahah you think you'll get a single roid with that fleet?' or funny ones 'i'm a young girl it's my first round please can you cancel your attack'... i know i'll have a quiet landing. Sure enough, if you're gonna crush you're attacker the last thing you want is for him to pull.
About building def ships before the attacker lands, don't forget the 'engineers priority' to lower the production time if needed. and make the ships out of prod for the tick he lands not before (so a last minute unit scan won't show them).
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I actually sent a mail when the attacker would've lost over half of his fleets. But i send it coz i didn't want to lose my roidies!
I also got this very scary mail from somebody because I roided him: "recall your fleet or my friends roid u" Did he really think his friends attack that they send at like 16.00 would land ?
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1 Dec 2005, 00:41
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Re: So you are getting roided?
I got a weird one this round. Some guy threatened to wipe out me and all my mates cos I got defense against his crappy attack fleet, and he lost 400 daggers (crushing defeat!).
That was 3 weeks ago, and I have been attacked once since then. I live in fear of the time this guy and his friends will wipe me out for not letting him farm me.
But isn't it supposed to be the other way round? Shouldn't I have been the one threatening him - after all, he was attacking me, and he could have recalled if he wanted.
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Re: So you are getting roided?
Quote:
Originally Posted by Forest
A nice thread for new players but I personally do this different. I wouldn't advise it though.
I nearly ALWAYS mail an attacker and tell him if he comes any closer he will get roided, along with his galaxy, and his alliance. Then I attack him, and his galaxy. Then I mail him to laugh at him.
Sometimes I laugh at his alliance
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Re: So you are getting roided?
Has anyone else started attacking planets in shitty galaxies in the desperate hope that one of them is forest or is it just me?
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Re: So you are getting roided?
You can PM me or forest and get his coords...
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Re: So you are getting roided?
Sure where would the fun in that be
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Don't make me declare war
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Re: So you are getting roided?
5:4:2 is me. Hit me as much as you like, its always good to twat a mod
Touch my gal though and it could get all to nasty.
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Re: So you are getting roided?
Destroyed ships: 1
Vsharrak: 1
I'm sorry forest. I just couldn't resist
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Don't make me declare war
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Re: So you are getting roided?
You know this means war, right?
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Re: So you are getting roided?
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You know this means war, right?
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