Planetarion Forums - To much of a gap!

Stifler · 2 Sep 2005, 17:36

You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to MotoX again. <- cant -ve rep for multiple shit posts

DunkelGraf · 2 Sep 2005, 17:46

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Originally Posted by furball

I was tempted to make a serious post on this thread. Then I thought....sod it.

Anyway, as we all know, the combined forces of Exilition and the Penis-Allianz (omg evul blocking) are in the process of overthrowing 1up, and order will be returned to the universe shortly.

\o/

Kjeldoran · 2 Sep 2005, 17:50

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Originally Posted by ComradeRob

We tried that last round and you carried on posting

Best solution would be to disband and never show your face in PA again

Bashar · 2 Sep 2005, 18:03

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Originally Posted by Ferretus

Thats exactly my point regarding 1up. They returned and plainly illustrate that the newer players just don't compare to the veterans.

A large portion of 1up members didn't play before PAX. 1up was originally founded for old players, those who had proven their quality/loyalty before, but the recruiting doesn't follow this trend. 1up doesn't believe experience is the sign of quality. We go for loyalty and dedication, if you can show those, you can get into 1up after only 1 round.

lokken · 2 Sep 2005, 18:47

The difference between 1up and other alliances is that in Sid they are promised a reasonably stable command and the reputation that follows him means that simply the best recruits gravitate to 1up.

The other alliances are left with the rest who either simply don't want to be associated with Sid, or aren't ambitious enough for 1up.

Simply 1up has a head start every round. To take them on effectively you need a time of stability and preparation - with Sid and his goons its already there - everyone knows what to do, occaisonally new people come in but the old spine is still there.

aNgRyDuCk · 2 Sep 2005, 18:48

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Originally Posted by Stifler

You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to MotoX again. <- cant -ve rep for multiple shit posts

should think of a way to buy blocks of negrep for some ppl, like 5 for a dollar or something

Stifler · 2 Sep 2005, 18:57

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Originally Posted by aNgRyDuCk

should think of a way to buy blocks of negrep for some ppl, like 5 for a dollar or something

give him a -ve rep for me then

Nauti · 2 Sep 2005, 19:24

Nothing has changed, clearly

MaxMilliaN · 2 Sep 2005, 21:44

funny, 1up is so great and the best. has greatest players with most ambition, yet when exilition came playing for their first round we burried 1up.

i guess thats the reason 1up is winning, exilition isnt around.

Zh|l · 2 Sep 2005, 21:47

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Originally Posted by MaxMilliaN

funny, 1up is so great and the best. has greatest players with most ambition, yet when exilition came playing for their first round we burried 1up.

i guess thats the reason 1up is winning, exilition isnt around.

Yes. Clearly it was ONLY Exilition that beat 1up last round.

Bashar · 2 Sep 2005, 21:47

Exilition didn't 'bury' 1up, yes, you won, but you won in a block situation as opposed to 1 v 1, so pure quality of a single alliance cannot be judged based on that, only the relative qualities of the blocks, and our block was shite. To say you buried us seems unfair to me as all through the round, you were piling loads of incomming on us, and at the same time saying we were giving you the most and saying how well we were fighting. If you want to make the point of exilition being better than 1up, please do it in a way where the 2 alliances are compared as opposed to 2 blocks.

MaxMilliaN · 2 Sep 2005, 21:48

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Originally Posted by Zh|l

Yes. Clearly it was ONLY Exilition that beat 1up last round.

Yes. Clearly 1up never ever blocked that round!

derry · 2 Sep 2005, 21:51

clearly 1up didn't start the block

Bashar · 2 Sep 2005, 21:53

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Originally Posted by MaxMilliaN

Yes. Clearly 1up never ever blocked that round!

I fail to see where this is coming from, all it can do is weaken your point. A block is an entity comprised of alliances, but treated as a single entity. To say you are better than 1up because you beat them in a block situation is like Portuguese saying they were better than France in the Napoleonic wars because they were on the winning side, and France was on the losing side. The fact is, France would have wiped the floor with portugal. If you want to compare individual alliances, a block situation in one round is not the way to do it.

Zh|l · 2 Sep 2005, 21:53

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Originally Posted by MaxMilliaN

Yes. Clearly 1up never ever blocked that round!

Well done on completely missing the point.

MaxMilliaN · 2 Sep 2005, 21:58

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Originally Posted by Bashar

I fail to see where this is coming from, all it can do is weaken your point. A block is an entity comprised of alliances, but treated as a single entity. To say you are better than 1up because you beat them in a block situation is like Portuguese saying they were better than France in the Napoleonic wars because they were on the winning side, and France was on the losing side. The fact is, France would have wiped the floor with portugal. If you want to compare individual alliances, a block situation in one round is not the way to do it.

so now you are comparing 1up with France then? pa is a bit different then what happened to france/napoleon. atleast in pa there was more then 1 "block". you should stop talking like 1up was this heroic alliance facing a superblock solo because it wasnt. exilition got outnumbered, then settled it politics right and humped 1up to the stoneage.

and let me remind you, your members insane rambling that we use vnc because we owned u so much?

derry · 2 Sep 2005, 22:00

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Originally Posted by MaxMilliaN

so now you are comparing 1up with France then? pa is a bit different then what happened to france/napoleon. atleast in pa there was more then 1 "block". you should stop talking like 1up was this heroic alliance facing a superblock solo because it wasnt. exilition got outnumbered, then settled it politics right and humped 1up to the stoneage.

and let me remind you, your members insane rambling that we use vnc because we owned u so much?

was writing a comment, then i got bored, so i removed it all...

MaxMilliaN · 2 Sep 2005, 22:01

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Originally Posted by derry

was writing a comment, then i got bored, so i removed it all...

i care, i really do

derry · 2 Sep 2005, 22:02

seeing you just replied, you do

Bashar · 2 Sep 2005, 22:03

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Originally Posted by MaxMilliaN

so now you are comparing 1up with France then? pa is a bit different then what happened to france/napoleon. atleast in pa there was more then 1 "block". you should stop talking like 1up was this heroic alliance facing a superblock solo because it wasnt. exilition got outnumbered, then settled it politics right and humped 1up to the stoneage.

and let me remind you, your members insane rambling that we use vnc because we owned u so much?

Are you really as thick as your posting implies? I am not comparing 1up to France or Portugal or any other country. I am pointing out that saying "Exilition is better than 1up because our block beat 1ups block" is a complete fallacy as the only thing you can say from that is "Our block was better than 1up's block".

I think you should try and understand the points that people are putting across, understanding the words is useless unless you can grasp the meaning behind them.

MaxMilliaN · 2 Sep 2005, 22:04

thats what i said... i care

MaxMilliaN · 2 Sep 2005, 22:05

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Originally Posted by Bashar

Are you really as thick as your posting implies? I am not comparing 1up to France or Portugal or any other country. I am pointing out that saying "Exilition is better than 1up because our block beat 1ups block" is a complete fallacy as the only thing you can say from that is "Our block was better than 1up's block".

I think you should try and understand the points that people are putting across, understanding the words is useless unless you can grasp the meaning behind them.

so you're saying that when 1up wins, its because of great political moves and all. but when it loses its because they got "outblocked" ?

derry · 2 Sep 2005, 22:07

this round 1up wins because the others made a mistake hehe

Bashar · 2 Sep 2005, 22:12

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Originally Posted by MaxMilliaN

so you're saying that when 1up wins, its because of great political moves and all. but when it loses its because they got "outblocked" ?

Whoever wins wins by being the best, but you cannot judge which alliance is best based on one round in a block. 1up can be said to have quality for consistent performances, but if you look at any individual round on its own and 1up wins in a block, you cannot say that there wasn't an alliance with higher quality that round.

Virall · 2 Sep 2005, 23:55

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Originally Posted by lokken

The difference between 1up and other alliances is that in Sid they are promised a reasonably stable command and the reputation that follows him means that simply the best recruits gravitate to 1up.

The other alliances are left with the rest who either simply don't want to be associated with Sid, or aren't ambitious enough for 1up.

Simply 1up has a head start every round. To take them on effectively you need a time of stability and preparation - with Sid and his goons its already there - everyone knows what to do, occaisonally new people come in but the old spine is still there.

Yes, that is a difference, but a slightly ignorant view. The reputation does not make an alliance alone. Some recruits this round have been below the standard required. Not all recruits are top quality, some are inactive or do not want to learn. The experience our command gives its members is top-notch, but the ability of our player base cannot completley be put down to the command structure. We have excellent infastructure, and our members are very good at the game, very active and know how to play the game. The recruits dont make 1up, there is more than one facet to 1up's success, I can assure you.

Fyodor · 3 Sep 2005, 00:09

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Originally Posted by Virall

We have excellent infastructure, and our members are very good at the game, very active and know how to play the game.

I think this sums up 1ups excellence round after round. The only other thing I can think of is the Officers/HC's ability to keep the members spirit and motivation high after being hammered.

We all have seen many alliances fold after heavy nightly incoming and one of the most impressive things Ive seen from 1up was last round when I though they looked all but dead yet still managed to finish strong. What this showed me is you may beat them down, but they seem to always get up again.

Bashar · 3 Sep 2005, 00:32

So, you want that ultimate tool? The one you can use to sweep up all the rubbish in the garden and pile it in a heap with the rest of the shit? Well, we have the ultimate, it's called the 1up rake! You can use it anywhere at any time, simply apply the correct pressure in the right motions, and everything gets swept cleanly to 1 side, but be warned, if you get angry with it, throw it on the ground and stand on it, it'll spring right up in your face!

(OK, yes, I admit, I am traumatised from standing on a rake and smacking my face, but you have to admit it's a good metaphor)

Bashar · 3 Sep 2005, 00:32

Oh, also, VERY ACTIVE...... wtf? Am I missing something?

Virall · 3 Sep 2005, 00:37

Bashar's been drinking again.

That's the other thing. If we do anything wrong, our HC beats us regularly.

SOS.

Edit: BASHAR HAS NOT BEEN DRINKING!

Stifler · 3 Sep 2005, 00:55

Bashar is almost a alcoholic :S

has his own alcoholics anonymous badge as well

[i2k]Xy · 3 Sep 2005, 00:59

"omg, Let Us Flame Nos For Not Hitting #1 Alliance, They Are Evil Napp0rz!"

The_Fish · 3 Sep 2005, 07:27

It's not too late for 1up to be beaten, however, Reunions leader is ex 1up, and he seems happy with 2nd.

Squidly · 3 Sep 2005, 07:31

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Originally Posted by [i2k]Xy

"omg, Let Us Flame Nos For Not Hitting #1 Alliance, They Are Evil Napp0rz!"

/me flames Nos for not hitting the #1 alliance. You evil napp0rs! (although heru is still sexeh)

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aNgRyDuCk · 3 Sep 2005, 07:37

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Originally Posted by MaxMilliaN

funny, 1up is so great and the best. has greatest players with most ambition, yet when exilition came playing for their first round we burried 1up.

i guess thats the reason 1up is winning, exilition isnt around.

rediculous

aNgRyDuCk · 3 Sep 2005, 07:40

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Originally Posted by MaxMilliaN

so you're saying that when 1up wins, its because of great political moves " ?

err...ya ....astute political play, activity, commitment (same would apply for any alliance I think) That is in fact how your Exilition claimed they won, is it not?

aNgRyDuCk · 3 Sep 2005, 07:43

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Originally Posted by Squidly

/me flames Nos for not hitting the #1 alliance. You evil napp0rs! (although heru is still sexeh)

[/lame reply]

now seafood here has verbally assaulted me on a number of occasions :P so he's doing his part

cypher · 3 Sep 2005, 10:23

lol maxmillian :P you drug addict

DD

keep in mind we played r11/r12/r13 at that time and half our core was gone basically as they were bored.. (we aint got it back yet either) while on the other side exi just started playing and everyone was pumped up for it and really putting in 100% effort. i haven't seen that in 1up since r11 tbh. To top that off exi basically quit after it's first round meaning it quit the round they would have had most incs anyways while 1up played on for 4 rounds total (dunno if sid is gonna do more)

and we lost the round indeed... we never got buried tho

(cept for maybe all the friendly fire from our 'allies' :P
as far as i know we had massive compliments on the way we stayed IN the game while receiving all those incs and not quitting or disbanding or merging or whatever

mazzelaar · 3 Sep 2005, 10:36

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Originally Posted by cypher

lol maxmillian :P you drug addict

DD

keep in mind we played r11/r12/r13 at that time and half our core was gone basically as they were bored.. (we aint got it back yet either) while on the other side exi just started playing and everyone was pumped up for it and really putting in 100% effort. i haven't seen that in 1up since r11 tbh. To top that off exi basically quit after it's first round meaning it quit the round they would have had most incs anyways while 1up played on for 4 rounds total (dunno if sid is gonna do more)

and we lost the round indeed... we never got buried tho

(cept for maybe all the friendly fire from our 'allies' :P
as far as i know we had massive compliments on the way we stayed IN the game while receiving all those incs and not quitting or disbanding or merging or whatever

Let him have his moment. It's takes an alliance with a serious lack of spine to come up with a bunch of piss poor excuses for not defending their win. The strategy for exilition was obvious. I'll actually take heed of their gloating when they've managed to win more than 2 rounds in sucsession. Until then they're a flash in the pan.

Kargool · 3 Sep 2005, 10:44

Oh dear, not round 13 discussions again. Cant we focus on round 14 instead of having this flashbacks? It reminds me about back to the future.

eXilition: if you were so damn proud of that win you got last round, why did you chicken out and run away this round?

1up: Cant u accept that someone beat you at your own game last round, this round you've napped the 2 ranked alliance to avoid heavy incs yourselfs. And Im not even critisising it. Just stating the fact.

I think every alliance HC in the end always thinks what's best for his own alliance. I wont start a flame war against 1up for winning this round, and I am sure as hell not going to join a flame war against eXilition that won the last round.

In the end, win is what everyone wants? Well cept for F-Crew, they want to train players.

Have a nice weekend.

mazzelaar · 3 Sep 2005, 10:54

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Originally Posted by Kargool

eXilition: if you were so damn proud of that win you got last round, why did you chicken out and run away this round?

I'm pretty sure you just paraphrased what I said

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Originally Posted by Kargool

1up: Cant u accept that someone beat you at your own game last round

You can easily find posts by admitting that 1up were plain outplayed last round and that we were never a threat to the top position. I did, however, commend the members on keeping going through what has to be the most difficult round we have experienced since our creation.

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Originally Posted by Kargool

this round you've napped the 2 ranked alliance to avoid heavy incs yourselfs. And Im not even critisising it. Just stating the fact.

They certainly weren't the #2 alliance when we napped them in response to the 3 way block attacking us at the time. Game outlined the politics and the "blame" for this round perfectly.

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Originally Posted by Kargool

I think every alliance HC in the end always thinks what's best for his own alliance. I wont start a flame war against 1up for winning this round, and I am sure as hell not going to join a flame war against eXilition that won the last round.

No-one, whomever it might be, deserves to be flamed for winning one of the most fluid and interesting rounds of PA a lot of us have ever played in, summer round or not. No-one was flaming Exilition for winning last round either. I think it was more of balking at the arrogance of an alliance that wouldn't stay to defend their win and finally give justification for all their bragging.

Virall · 3 Sep 2005, 13:07

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Originally Posted by The_Fish

It's not too late for 1up to be beaten, however, Reunions leader is ex 1up, and he seems happy with 2nd.

Did you think about this statement before posting it?

Has reunion being 'happily second' (which i think you'll find is wrong; these guys want to win) got anything to do with Legator's 1up past?

Its a war. Yes he was 1up, but im sure he's focusing 100% on Reunion now.

Filth · 3 Sep 2005, 13:17

for once i have to agree with virall, as much as i dislike the prospect

Desse · 3 Sep 2005, 13:46

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Originally Posted by The_Fish

It's not too late for 1up to be beaten, however, Reunions leader is ex 1up, and he seems happy with 2nd.

Let´s think what would be in it for ND.

LcH/ND/Reunion gangs up on 1up.

1up is taken out..

LcH/ND gangs up on Reunion.

ND looks a lot stronger than LcH.

ND wins the round.

Pretty good. You took the Angels route and triumphed.

Chika · 3 Sep 2005, 14:12

I am gald everyone thinks they know everything. I have seen so many predictions, I feel like I'm in a building full of gypsy's.

Desse · 3 Sep 2005, 14:18

I am just stating the motivation that I think is behind ´the_fish's post.

Not claiming anything besides that.

furssie · 3 Sep 2005, 14:24

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Originally Posted by Chika

I am gald everyone thinks they know everything. I have seen so many predictions, I feel like I'm in a building full of gypsy's.

Why aren't you that happy, that Fish's scheme got obvious?

Squidly · 3 Sep 2005, 16:15

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Originally Posted by Virall

Did you think about this statement before posting it?

(which i think you'll find is wrong; these guys want to win)

I may have missed the boat here...

But how's that work? Aint this like last round with Angels hoping to win when they were allying the group which was constantly outplaying them? (no offense to angels.)

Virall · 3 Sep 2005, 16:30

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Originally Posted by Squidly

I may have missed the boat here...

But how's that work? Aint this like last round with Angels hoping to win when they were allying the group which was constantly outplaying them? (no offense to angels.)

A simple grasp of current pa politics might help to explain your query.

They arent allied to 1up at all. There is a nap which i can imagine might change during the next four weeks. When Reunion merged with hydra, they did not relent in trying to maintain the #1 spot, depsite the pa-teams mishap in making an illegal merger happen. This drive that we saw, together with the offensive political manouvres reunion have displayed, indicate that they arent sitting at #2 with the aim of not closing the gap on 1up.

A comparison with last round is perhaps likely, although last round was slightly different. eXilition were in the commanding position whilst 1up were chasing. This, including your post, is digressing from the most important and pertenant point; Legator's past within 1up im sure is not influencing his thirst for a possible #1 spot.

Simplicity is bliss.

Squidly · 3 Sep 2005, 16:51

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Originally Posted by Virall

A simple grasp of current pa politics might help to explain your query.

They arent allied to 1up at all. There is a nap which i can imagine might change during the next four weeks. When Reunion merged with hydra, they did not relent in trying to maintain the #1 spot, depsite the pa-teams mishap in making an illegal merger happen. This drive that we saw, together with the offensive political manouvres reunion have displayed, indicate that they arent sitting at #2 with the aim of not closing the gap on 1up.

A comparison with last round is perhaps likely, although last round was slightly different. eXilition were in the commanding position whilst 1up were chasing. This, including your post, is digressing from the most important and pertenant point; Legator's past within 1up im sure is not influencing his thirst for a possible #1 spot.

Simplicity is bliss.

Simplicity is bliss. Thanks for vastly over-complicating it.

I think I'll put this in a pm. As it'll turn a bit off-topic.

Virall · 3 Sep 2005, 17:17

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Originally Posted by Squidly

Simplicity is bliss. Thanks for vastly over-complicating it.

I think I'll put this in a pm. As it'll turn a bit off-topic.

If youre intent on digressing from the topic completley, i wouldn't bother with the pm.