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Unread 21 Jun 2016, 14:30   #151
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I didnt find any benneh R52, or 48. The brazillians came in numbers to PA R49 btw, so i suppose only rounds after this is relevant?

I meant three digits. or that he usualy had two digits incs.

and hte round with 13 incs was r56, if its the same guy we are talking about?
Dafuq? Please. I have had benneh in both Vikings and Black Flag and witnessed the hate against him personally. Just because you are incapable of applying logic when searching for his history doesn't mean you're correct with your laughable stats.

I gave up DCing for benneh for the sake of the alliance because his incomings just got ridiculous. It was easier to just let him get roided then cover 4-5 Brazilian lolwaves.

The emo was entertaining though. SoulS can verify.
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Re: r67 who will win

I only remember one round of a deep grudge between Benneh and the brazzies. But Benneh never needed the brazzies to get incs.

But now I think it is only the contenders for planets and their supporters complaining about how Benneh is using the game engine.
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Re: r67 who will win

Now you might say im just not hanging out with the cool people, but ive never ever heard anyone say they keep mass waving benneh for personal reasons.
If you are a top planet you get top incs.
A guy in bows managed 300ish incs the 2nd or 3rd round he ever played, its not like he had pissed of anyone.

Maybe agar3s manages to get more incs than others, if anyone. But thats obviously well deserved and tactical.
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Unread 21 Jun 2016, 16:21   #154
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Now you might say im just not hanging out with the cool people, but ive never ever heard anyone say they keep mass waving benneh for personal reasons.
Real motives for anything in this game are always ranks or roids. But people need to apply some flavour to these so they can manipulate two or three alliances to work in their behalf. Therefore, excuses like "they cheated", "they mistreated us", "they are arrogant", "they broke deals 10 rounds ago", etc are always used instead of the real motives.
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Unread 21 Jun 2016, 17:17   #155
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Everything seems to be personal in this game, especially anything that starts with "It's not personal, but...".
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It might seem personal, but i hate everyone equally
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I think Influence and NoXiouS are the same person.
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Unread 21 Jun 2016, 21:26   #158
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Because you all trollwave him every round he plays value? It's no wonder he plays different strategies as it's not fun when the entire Brazilian fag group gangs up on one planet.

At least benneh can win. When was the last Brazilian who won 3 rounds?

And when did benneh disrespect you?
and when he needed u as advocate??

i trully respect him as a player.. was trying to be funny in the msg, but u guys take all so serious.. and my english sux.. so its hard to post here..

i like all the strats he brings to us, motivate the core to think and do something even better...

i just miss the old asia playing seriously... asc return etc.. was a way more funny, and a way more action.. dont matter who wins.. its all about have fun!
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We all know that vague accusations with no evidence are slander. Can you please provide me with the evidence that one person plays all Brazilian accounts, please?
Can confirm, I won 3 rounds using differents names!!
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Its fun to see the same people who cry here when Brazilians won using xp/escort/fakeattck strat, now saying benneh strat is something normal and clever.

So benneh is doing that because brazilians dont let he won?
So its all our fault again. Sory guys.
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Its fun to see the same people who cry here when Brazilians won using xp/escort/fakeattck strat, now saying benneh strat is something normal and clever.

So benneh is doing that because brazilians dont let he won?
So its all our fault again. Sory guys.
Benneh is abusing planets his friends set up who are cheating, its not exactly the same thing.
Cheaters will be cheaters, and the same people will keep saluting em for their "clevernes"
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Its fun to see the same people who cry here when Brazilians won using xp/escort/fakeattck strat, now saying benneh strat is something normal and clever.
XP and escorting have been part of the game for nigh on 10 years. If people cried about that, they are idiots.
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Unread 22 Jun 2016, 08:53   #163
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XP and escorting have been part of the game for nigh on 10 years. If people cried about that, they are idiots.
Maybe he is pointing to the round where allegedly Nelito allowed the brazillians to XP land his gal to win planet?
Wich obviously also was cheating, much like whats happening in 3:4.
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OK so I'm a little lost now.

Benneh is defending incommings to his own gal with 1 ship which sometimes dies allowing him to quickly turn around and defend again. Every defence gets him. 15 xp per tick and 300 for landing. He is picking up on average 6k xp a day from this and other areas. I think that is correct so far.

So what confuses me is who keeps attacking his galaxy? Who is providing a ranked 40th galaxy with enough incs spread out to achieve this daily? Has he arranged incs from friends or is it just genuine incoming? If it's the latter then surely a pact to stop attacking them will stagnate his growth?
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OK so I'm a little lost now.

Benneh is defending incommings to his own gal with 1 ship which sometimes dies allowing him to quickly turn around and defend again. Every defence gets him. 15 xp per tick and 300 for landing. He is picking up on average 6k xp a day from this and other areas. I think that is correct so far.

So what confuses me is who keeps attacking his galaxy? Who is providing a ranked 40th galaxy with enough incs spread out to achieve this daily? Has he arranged incs from friends or is it just genuine incoming? If it's the latter then surely a pact to stop attacking them will stagnate his growth?
Even if his friends kept sending fleets at this gal, how would you find out who is his friends?
Appocomaster has said they will come out with a new farming rule shortly, rumours has it that they are considering making farming legal for future rounds.
The MHs/Admins obviously are discussing the future actions/changes amongs themself, so the rest of us got to await the official announcements.
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Its fun to see the same people who cry here when Brazilians won using xp/escort/fakeattck strat, now saying benneh strat is something normal and clever.

So benneh is doing that because brazilians dont let he won?
So its all our fault again. Sory guys.
I don't see anyone 'crying' about Brazilians winning.

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Benneh is abusing planets his friends set up who are cheating, its not exactly the same thing.
Cheaters will be cheaters, and the same people will keep saluting em for their "clevernes"
Benneh's play-style this round isn't cheating. It isn't for you to decide whether one's strategy is cheating or not, it's the Multihunters. If you have any insight in cheating then report your findings to Multihunters, and stop slandering on the boards.

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Even if his friends kept sending fleets at this gal, how would you find out who is his friends?
Appocomaster has said they will come out with a new farming rule shortly, rumours has it that they are considering making farming legal for future rounds.
The MHs/Admins obviously are discussing the future actions/changes amongs themself, so the rest of us got to await the official announcements.
Erm no. Folk like Norse (who ironically are complaining) keeps sending fleets at that galaxy. Benneh doesn't need to setup hostile fleets (he wouldn't anyway - his strategies have always been legal). So to clarify, the incoming is random, because who gives up the opportunity to get free roids?

If you have no evidence then stop slandering. You're getting a bit irritating. You're just going by your own opinion, like usual.
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We are not complaining about benneh doing it. We are complaining about the system being like it is. And that it should be changed for the future. You really to take a wank to get rid of that hard one you have for Norse
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Benneh's play-style this round isn't cheating. It isn't for you to decide whether one's strategy is cheating or not, it's the Multihunters. If you have any insight in cheating then report your findings to Multihunters, and stop slandering on the boards.
They've historically closed planets that initiated like his galmates, though, and I find their inaction on this matter rather puzzling. But I doubt 1-ship defense for 300+ XP will last past this round, so he'll have another few weeks of mindlessly sending 1 ship for his fourth trophy, after which we can go back to mindlessly playing the value game for #1.
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They've historically closed planets that initiated like his galmates, though, and I find their inaction on this matter rather puzzling. But I doubt 1-ship defense for 300+ XP will last past this round, so he'll have another few weeks of mindlessly sending 1 ship for his fourth trophy, after which we can go back to mindlessly playing the value game for #1.
The reason for the "inaction" is that the MHs is on summer vacation.
Ive been sitting in the MH channel for a week now, and ive not been kicked once.

Maybe Appocomaster can give us an update on the rules? or an explaination why they havnt been closed yet?
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We are not complaining about benneh doing it. We are complaining about the system being like it is. And that it should be changed for the future. You really to take a wank to get rid of that hard one you have for Norse
If you actually LOOKED, I was quoting BB. I'm not sure how you put together that I was directing that comment at Norse.
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Erm no. Folk like Norse (who ironically are complaining) keeps sending fleets at that galaxy. Benneh doesn't need to setup hostile fleets (he wouldn't anyway - his strategies have always been legal). So to clarify, the incoming is random, because who gives up the opportunity to get free roids?

If you have no evidence then stop slandering. You're getting a bit irritating. You're just going by your own opinion, like usual.
I checked newsies on Benneh and 2 galmates today. Only found 2 Norse coords there, and 1 BF coord. That BF planet did send 6 fleets on that gal tho, twice as much as Norse (using our intel). We could be missing some intel, but i am curious where you get your information from (maby earlier newsies)?

I dont like his tactics, but he deserves credits for thinking of it. It's just sad that the planets in his galaxies are using most their resources to initiate, so he can get enough XP defending. Without those resources his tactic would fail, so IN MY OPINION he should be closed for abuse. If you want to smile check 'Total round roids' of his gal and compare to other galaxies
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The reason for the "inaction" is that the MHs is on summer vacation.
Ive been sitting in the MH channel for a week now, and ive not been kicked once.

Maybe Appocomaster can give us an update on the rules? or an explaination why they havnt been closed yet?
This goes back to why Ace should be replaced. He's absolute useless, and rude.
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I checked newsies on Benneh and 2 galmates today. Only found 2 Norse coords there, and 1 BF coord. That BF planet did send 6 fleets on that gal tho, twice as much as Norse (using our intel). We could be missing some intel, but i am curious where you get your information from (maby earlier newsies)?
That's obviously cheating then! It's not because they're fat or anything. Must be pre-arranged. So because some Black Flags are attacking that galaxy it must mean it's farming, cheating etc, because the logic in this community is always evidence.

Just to clarify, benneh was removed from Black Flag due to our beloved dictator Nazi general ChronoX.
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It's just sad that the planets in his galaxies are using most their resources to initiate, so he can get enough XP defending. Without those resources his tactic would fail, so IN MY OPINION he should be closed for abuse.
It's just sad that the planets in his galaxy are spending most of their resources on defense ships, so he can hold onto roids. Without that defense his tactic would fail, so he should be closed for abuse.

It's just sad that the scanners in his alliance are scanning using mostly alliance taxes. Without those resources they wouldn't be able to scan, so they should be closed for abuse.

It's just sad that the planets he attacks with recall at eta 1, so he can get the full cap. Without those escorts his tactic would fail, so he should be closed for abuse.

It's just sad that he uses his connections to arrange pnaps, so he doesn't get much incs. Without those pnaps his tactic would fail, so he should be closed for abuse.
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That's obviously cheating then! It's not because they're fat or anything. Must be pre-arranged. So because some Black Flags are attacking that galaxy it must mean it's farming, cheating etc, because the logic in this community is always evidence.

Just to clarify, benneh was removed from Black Flag due to our beloved dictator Nazi general ChronoX.
Err lol, that escalated quickly. I just asked some clarifications about your Norse claim, since the opposite came out of my research (that other allies send more fleets, like BF).
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Err lol, that escalated quickly. I just asked some clarifications about your Norse claim, since the opposite came out of my research (that other allies send more fleets, like BF).
He is infact correct about Norse being one of the most active launchers towards that gal.
I got newsies from the last 2-300 ticks, if you pm me at irc (slktr) you can have them.
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Benneh's play-style this round isn't cheating. It isn't for you to decide whether one's strategy is cheating or not, it's the Multihunters. If you have any insight in cheating then report your findings to Multihunters, and stop slandering on the boards.
"The rest of your report should go to the suggestion forum as thats not a MH thing."

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It's just sad that the planets in his galaxy are spending most of their resources on defense ships, so he can hold onto roids. Without that defense his tactic would fail, so he should be closed for abuse.

It's just sad that the scanners in his alliance are scanning using mostly alliance taxes. Without those resources they wouldn't be able to scan, so they should be closed for abuse.

It's just sad that the planets he attacks with recall at eta 1, so he can get the full cap. Without those escorts his tactic would fail, so he should be closed for abuse.

It's just sad that he uses his connections to arrange pnaps, so he doesn't get much incs. Without those pnaps his tactic would fail, so he should be closed for abuse.
Now for me it might sound like your a friend of benneh, or the ones in that gal so you would naturaly defend their crimes, much like you said dav the cheater was most likely wrongly closed when he got caught cheating the last time.


I think patrikc said it earlier in this thread, initiating roids to give away for free has been a crime in the past, why they havnt been closed for doing this yet this round Appocomaster or the MHs will prolly come answer for sooner or later.

Maybe you will now point to the rules and saying as long as there is no proof of a agreement between the attacker and the defender, no cheating has ever occured, and perhaps you are correct in this statement.

BUT you have played PA/PIA/browser games long enough to know this is a good premise to close/not close planets on, as you will in 99,99% of the farming incidents never be able to prove that there was a preset agreement of the attacker/farmer/crasher/defender/what ever and the attacker/farmer/crasher/defender/what ever.

Repeatively initiating roids and being attacked by the same planet/allie without defending
OR repeatively keep crashing your fleet at the same planet/allie
OR repeatively setting yourself up to be cov-opped
OR any repeatively action that will give benefits to another planet has been, and will always be punished.

If we are gonna start going soft on the rules, or the way we enforce them, we might aswell allow all kind of cheating, wich afaik, is what PA crew now is considering.
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It's just sad that the planets in his galaxy are spending most of their resources on defense ships, so he can hold onto roids. Without that defense his tactic would fail, so he should be closed for abuse.

It's just sad that the scanners in his alliance are scanning using mostly alliance taxes. Without those resources they wouldn't be able to scan, so they should be closed for abuse.

It's just sad that the planets he attacks with recall at eta 1, so he can get the full cap. Without those escorts his tactic would fail, so he should be closed for abuse.

It's just sad that he uses his connections to arrange pnaps, so he doesn't get much incs. Without those pnaps his tactic would fail, so he should be closed for abuse.
mz, u are envolved in this "daily initiate and get roided" roid buffet thing, so u are not the best one to say its correct.. u want to make all strats used in the game looks the same as the one u are using with benneh..
please, dont do it.. makes no sense at all... u are a way more clever then this..
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You're all at a disadvantage if you're not attacking that gal. Benneh can't be caught.

The most disturbing part of all this is, Clouds turned down my invitation to play Clash Of Clans with me
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Even if his friends kept sending fleets at this gal, how would you find out who is his friends?
Appocomaster has said they will come out with a new farming rule shortly, rumours has it that they are considering making farming legal for future rounds.
The MHs/Admins obviously are discussing the future actions/changes amongs themself, so the rest of us got to await the official announcements.
I don't remember saying that - and clarified on PM. I said we closed people for different things in the past and it's only called "farming" if there is an agreement. I never at any point said we'd have a new rule.
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I don't remember saying that - and clarified on PM. I said we closed people for different things in the past and it's only called "farming" if there is an agreement. I never at any point said we'd have a new rule.
Im sure that there is many people who will confirm that in the past, planets has been closed for "farming" even though you had no "evidence of an agreement".

Sure, if you ask Ace if a "written agreement on PA mail" has been needed to close people thats been initiating roids with the intend to give em away in the past he will say that "its classified" or some other bullsh*t.
We all know that IRC logs, whatsapp logs, or any other communication beside what you can see ingame is not valid as proofs for cheating, by your own words you cannot ever be closed for farming now. Unless ofc you sent a written agreement on ingame mail.

What if i wanted some of the other top planets to win, and i started crashing my fleet at them to hand them value? Could you stop me if you cant "show an agreement"?
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I think patrikc said it earlier in this thread, initiating roids to give away for free has been a crime in the past, why they havnt been closed for doing this yet this round Appocomaster or the MHs will prolly come answer for sooner or later.
Here's the thing.

Thanks to all of your crying and whining, it is impossible that PA Team is not aware of what's going on. Appoco himself posted in this thread twice, which is a rare occurrence.

On top of that, I know for a fact that the MHs have looked at several of the planets in 3:4. That shows they're not idle and quite frankly, it's not like there's a higher profile galaxy for them to be busy with. Yet all we've heard is deafening silence. The people involved in this strategy have not been closed; on the contrary, they've been left free to continue God's work. I'd say that if they haven't felt the need to take action by now, they won't. Clearly the definition of cheating that you apply oh so liberally is not the one that is in use by the powers that be.

And that, ultimately, is all I care about. Keep flapping your gums.


P.S. I just want to make sure I'm crystal ****ing clear here, because I have no desire to speak for (or worse, twist the words of) Appocomaster, PA Team, Ace or the MH Team. To my knowledge, no one in PA Team or the MH Team has spoken to people in 3:4, publicly or privately, in an official or unofficial capacity, to express their approval or disapproval. The statements above are mine and mine alone, and I've deduced my best guesses only from a lack of communication.
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Here's the thing.

Thanks to all of your crying and whining, it is impossible that PA Team is not aware of what's going on. Appoco himself posted in this thread twice, which is a rare occurrence.

On top of that, I know for a fact that the MHs have looked at several of the planets in 3:4. That shows they're not idle and quite frankly, it's not like there's a higher profile galaxy for them to be busy with. Yet all we've heard is deafening silence. The people involved in this strategy have not been closed; on the contrary, they've been left free to continue God's work. I'd say that if they haven't felt the need to take action by now, they won't. Clearly the definition of cheating that you apply oh so liberally is not the one that is in use by the powers that be.

And that, ultimately, is all I care about. Keep flapping your gums.


P.S. I just want to make sure I'm crystal ****ing clear here, because I have no desire to speak for (or worse, twist the words of) Appocomaster, PA Team, Ace or the MH Team. To my knowledge, no one in PA Team or the MH Team has spoken to people in 3:4, publicly or privately, in an official or unofficial capacity, to express their approval or disapproval. The statements above are mine and mine alone, and I've deduced my best guesses only from a lack of communication.
Ah, thank you for your concern.

Im pretty sure Appocomaster/Ace will be able to answer my question on what is against the rules, and how they practise following up the rules.
As me and many others have allready said, earlier, behaviour like the one seen in 3:4 has been punished, and very often WITHOUT any "proofs of links" as i mentioned earlier.
Now you can hold your breath and keep shaking your head in disagreement untill your face turn blue and yellow over my opinion, or experince concerning this.

Other people here have shared their opinion why this infact is legal, or diffrent from earlier cases:

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And if they think it's gonna pay off or doesn't know that it won't?
Suggesting 3:4 dont know what they are doing when initiating roids.

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Initiating roids for the community (rather than an individual or an alliance) should be seen as a service to the community not as something to be closed for.
Suggesting that is actualy something positive for the game

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You forget to add the fact, that he sold the ships at base for more resources to init with.
Suggesting that if you sell your ships to initiate roids its diffrent.

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Because you are purposely donating if you initiate WHILE under attack, but if you initiate AFTERWARDS (like quite a lot of other players do), it isn't cheating. Maybe the majority of players are cheating when they initiate after they've been attacked. Or is it Benneh's crew who are cheaters because of your narrow-minded prejudice towards him?
Suggesting that initiating roids while allready under attack is diffrent.

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Farming is illegal. The definitions of farming are, but are not limited to:

A) Attacking a target with his/her consent to get his/her asteroids/ships

B) Defending against someone who is attacking with their consent to steal their ships.

C) Abusing game features in order to gain excessive XP (e.g. roid farming)

Doing either a, b or c by using multi-planets


3:4 has given anyone who attacks him/her the consent to get his/her asteroids.
The repeative nature of this is proofs enough in itself, its not like its a "one time incident".
If 200 fleets have landed there allready, not encountering any attempts from to stop it, its pretty clear that this is farming.

Before the "trolls" start saying that this might be used in every attack/defence incident in this game, sure, if it happends 200 times(!) in a row and not now and then.
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Here's the thing.

Thanks to all of your crying and whining, it is impossible that PA Team is not aware of what's going on. Appoco himself posted in this thread twice, which is a rare occurrence.

On top of that, I know for a fact that the MHs have looked at several of the planets in 3:4. That shows they're not idle and quite frankly, it's not like there's a higher profile galaxy for them to be busy with. Yet all we've heard is deafening silence. The people involved in this strategy have not been closed; on the contrary, they've been left free to continue God's work. I'd say that if they haven't felt the need to take action by now, they won't. Clearly the definition of cheating that you apply oh so liberally is not the one that is in use by the powers that be.

And that, ultimately, is all I care about. Keep flapping your gums.


P.S. I just want to make sure I'm crystal ****ing clear here, because I have no desire to speak for (or worse, twist the words of) Appocomaster, PA Team, Ace or the MH Team. To my knowledge, no one in PA Team or the MH Team has spoken to people in 3:4, publicly or privately, in an official or unofficial capacity, to express their approval or disapproval. The statements above are mine and mine alone, and I've deduced my best guesses only from a lack of communication.
i told appoco something and i will make it ****ing clear here too...

1- u guys want this strat to keep going on next rounds?? if yes, u guys dont like the game..
2- u guys want to win like this? well, i tell u something... i heard many players have plans to do things and win... thats very very easy.. no1 will be able to catch them as cheaters..

so thats the goal??? make this game lame again?? in a small member base we know who cheats, who plays fair etc.. so.. if u guys want to bring this to another level.. keep talking like u own pa mechanics and know whats best for the game... the rest who dissagree will do whatever they find out better to stop this shit..

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Im pretty sure Appocomaster/Ace will be able to answer my question on what is against the rules, and how they practise following up the rules.
I'm sure that what they will say, or have already said, is this: we don't comment on individual cases.
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I'm sure that what they will say, or have already said, is this: we don't comment on individual cases.
Hah, nice try.
What i asked for was a clarification on how they practise the rules, not to comment on individual cases
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A) Attacking a target with his/her consent to get his/her asteroids/ships

B) Defending against someone who is attacking with their consent to steal their ships.

C) Abusing game features in order to gain excessive XP (e.g. roid farming)

Doing either a, b or c by using multi-planets


3:4 has given anyone who attacks him/her the consent to get his/her asteroids.
The repeative nature of this is proofs enough in itself, its not like its a "one time incident".
If 200 fleets have landed there allready, not encountering any attempts from to stop it, its pretty clear that this is farming.

Before the "trolls" start saying that this might be used in every attack/defence incident in this game, sure, if it happends 200 times(!) in a row and not now and then.
r59 I was on no def all round and 3 fleet attacking as a Xan XP Whore. Once people figured this out I got attacked over and over again (many times by the same people) whenever I was over 200 roids. I never had communication with said individuals but by your logic I had consented thus was a farm?

C'mon man I know your not the sharpest nail but if someone chooses to attack and take advantage of someone else's strategy that doesn't implicitly mean there is collusion.

Either prove it or just drop it. This is getting old.
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All of you go and watch the euros, have a beer, and come back tomorrow.
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This thread will open sometime in the evening. No one will be banned. Some posts have been deleted. I'll be setting out some guidance and then we continue the thread.
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Thanks for your patience. If you're going to post allegations of cheating then you need to provide evidence. Otherwise it's unfair on the accused and just leads to a flame fest. The trolling that results it from it is just as bad.

The benneh case is interesting as many of the facts aren't in dispute, the argument seeme to be whether they fall under the definition of cheating. And provided it stays like that I'm OK with it - if you suggest something more sinister then the usual rules apply. So I will look at posts on a case by case basis.

Please continue. If this style of modding works out this is how I'll try to continue. Otherwise we go back to a single warning and a ban.
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Thanks for your patience. If you're going to post allegations of cheating then you need to provide evidence. Otherwise it's unfair on the accused and just leads to a flame fest. The trolling that results it from it is just as bad.

The benneh case is interesting as many of the facts aren't in dispute, the argument seeme to be whether they fall under the definition of cheating. And provided it stays like that I'm OK with it - if you suggest something more sinister then the usual rules apply. So I will look at posts on a case by case basis.

Please continue. If this style of modding works out this is how I'll try to continue. Otherwise we go back to a single warning and a ban.
It would be nice if your gonna "nazi mod" that you pm the criminal with the post you didnt accept.

Im usual a vocal part in any cheating discussion, and im not sure wether i had any posts deleted.

This case is "public laundry" now, and as far ive seen there has not been anyone pointing out/claiming anything else thats allready viewable by kia or scans.

Yes, surely many of Bennehs/mz/whoever BP mates/troll squad/friends has been spotted repeatively sending fleets at their "friend", but afaik, thia has not been pointed out as the reason why thid is infact a closeable tactic.

Yourself has shared your view on the subject, wich ithink is foolishly as you mightve known this could end up in a "closeable doscussion"
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Re: r67 who will win

Shut the thread as everyone needed to calm down, I'd been away on holiday for a while and wanted to take some time and read before doing anything. You're debating the issues right now and if you can't deal with a 24 hour break then you are the one with the problem.

In the end I'm a volunteer who is paid zero, and there is little point in me messaging people who are hardly going to accept my reasoning anyway. If you're upset go to appocomaster - stop detracting from the thread.
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Re: r67 who will win

I might be out of touch but I'll go with:
1. BlueTuba
2. Legion
3. Fury
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I might be out of touch but I'll go with:
1. BlueTuba
2. Legion
3. Fury
Strong post. Also heard WaC are making a comeback....
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just to elaborate a bit more my idea about whats going on..

if PA TEAM will allow this strat this round, as a legal one.. it should keep legal next rounds too... makes no sense keep it now and cut it next one...

in this case, and for the very first time, a player gonna win only defending... sometimes we have xp broken, or some other things, but never a win without sending a single attack fleet entire round...

will change the whole game dinamyc...

and for this very reason, im sure u all should think a lot about it... before abusing and defending it!!!

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I think its important to make it clear wether its the idea of just winning by xp wich is wrong, or the way they are doing it by cheating wich is wrong.
XP for defending is 100% for sure gonna be changed for next round, though roid farming will still be a option.
Id love to see Ace comming here explaining the rules for farming, as we are all mostly disagreeing on what it is.
Appocomaster could also answer the question i wrote to him in the other post.
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just to elaborate a bit more my idea about whats going on..

if PA TEAM will allow this strat this round, as a legal one.. it should keep legal next rounds too... makes no sense keep it now and cut it next one...

in this case, and for the very first time, a player gonna win only defending... sometimes we have xp broken, or some other things, but never a win without sending a single attack fleet entire round...

will change the whole game dinamyc...

and for this very reason, im sure u all should think a lot about it... before abusing and defending it!!!

tyvm
Attack and defence are both very important part of this game. In theory, if one should be able to win by attacking only why wouldnt you be able to win by defending only?

This XP def has been like this for years yet no one complained about it until now. A lot of people are doing this every single round, sending 1 ship def for the 300+ free XP

Besides I'm 100% certain BENNEH sent a few attack fleets aswell this round.
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Attack and defence are both very important part of this game. In theory, if one should be able to win by attacking only why wouldnt you be able to win by defending only?

This XP def has been like this for years yet no one complained about it until now. A lot of people are doing this every single round, sending 1 ship def for the 300+ free XP

Besides I'm 100% certain BENNEH sent a few attack fleets aswell this round.
yeah, but we never saw ingal planets "asking" friends to attack them with that nice planet and ruler names, and letting be roided, and initiating again, over and over and over, and not BEING CLOSED.. thats the point here.. not benneh sending a ****ing def fleet..

i know u guys are all happy about him getting this nice score for u eor, i dont care, i like ult as much as any of u.. but this is just idiot and makes no sense at all..


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Total Round Roids: 5198 (3:4:2)

SERIOUSLY?? thats ok????? nice humm????
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