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5 May 2005, 04:09
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so f*cking zen
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[Poker]
There is now the ability to play invite tables on laddies.
Does anyone want to set up a table for PAGD?
If enough interest is availaible we can do it nightly or weekly or whatever (monthly = gay option).
What kinda buy in would people want too?
Just say below if and when and what you wanna/can play.
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5 May 2005, 04:12
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Re: [Poker]
I guess I would be interested in a weekly low buy in event.
Low being £5ish I guess, being poor etc.
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5 May 2005, 04:14
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Re: [Poker]
Im in of course, interested in buyins of £5-£10.
By the way thanks to dace, I came tenth in a tourney tonight \o/
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5 May 2005, 04:15
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so f*cking zen
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Re: [Poker]
£5 is $10 dude which is quite reasonable (/cool).
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5 May 2005, 04:43
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so f*cking zen
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Re: [Poker]
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5 May 2005, 05:58
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Clerk
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Re: [Poker]
This could work. £10-ish buy-in would be OK.
Some evening in the week could be good.
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5 May 2005, 06:18
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mmm lambs
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Re: [Poker]
I'd be interested for most nights, £10 buy in or so.
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5 May 2005, 09:08
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Re: [Poker]
I have no net access at uni but when i'm home over the summer i'd definitely be up for this if people are still playing then and some new crazy fad hasn't taken over.
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5 May 2005, 09:26
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Bored
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Re: [Poker]
is this where dace starts winning money of GD
I would play, but i'm too stingy to part with a fiver when i have no realistic chance of winning...
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5 May 2005, 09:41
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Re: [Poker]
I'd play but as i'm inherently bad at most gambling games i may aswell just give my money to you.
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5 May 2005, 09:52
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Re: [Poker]
give me a couple of months as im meant to be learing to play via going to a mates house on a saturday night and i will be up for buying in
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5 May 2005, 10:41
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Re: [Poker]
I would be up for a weekly/two-weekly game, at a buy-in of £5-£10.
Remember the golden rule of gambling: You should only bet what you can afford to lose.
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5 May 2005, 11:08
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Made of Twigs
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Re: [Poker]
I'm not very good at poker.
I do however play Carribean poker in casinos.
I made £160 profit last Friday but lost £60 on Sunday
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5 May 2005, 11:41
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Re: [Poker]
im interested but right now funds are 'tight' being a student and as such i suggest you all give me money so i can grace you with my presence.
only joking
but seriously
donate.
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5 May 2005, 11:45
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cynic
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Re: [Poker]
yes, Mr. Raybans can't afford a £5 buy in?
lying heathen!
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5 May 2005, 11:55
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Re: [Poker]
i i i i i
dont
i dont believ
i dont believe you can make such
such
accusations!
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5 May 2005, 12:12
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Re: [Poker]
well, he can.
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5 May 2005, 12:12
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Re: [Poker]
I'd be willing to give it a go, £5 - £10 buy-in seems reasonable. A weekly game would be good and I can play pretty much any night.
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5 May 2005, 12:56
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Re: [Poker]
Maybe 1-X could draw up a league table and all those who suck at poker could bet on how well the others do
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5 May 2005, 14:01
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Re: [Poker]
yeh im good for 5 - 10£ games
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5 May 2005, 16:56
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Re: [Poker]
I'm in too, though probably will have to give a couple of games a miss until my exams are over.
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5 May 2005, 17:14
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mmm.. pills
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Re: [Poker]
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What ever happened to good ole' fashioned poker :/ .. I'm not in with all these fancy terms they use nowadays. Texas hold 'em is about as fancy as I've ever gotten with Poker, and I had hard enough time understanding that.
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5 May 2005, 17:19
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I have mentioned magik7 before . This is nothing personal I simply find it offensive , in my own mind, that anyone that plays in the fashion that he does should do well and no doubt when I am doing poorly I exaggerate that in my head and my frustration comes out .
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5 May 2005, 17:35
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Re: [Poker]
Im up for some weekly action.
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5 May 2005, 17:50
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Re: [Poker]
hmm...
provided its v. cheap, and someone tells me how to play i think i could have a go
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5 May 2005, 18:09
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Re: [Poker]
yeah id be up for that, anything around £5-£10 would be good.I presume its hold 'em?
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5 May 2005, 18:31
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Re: [Poker]
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Maybe 1-X could draw up a league table and all those who suck at poker could bet on how well the others do
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Re: [Poker]
Why am I so under-rated by GD? Should I attention whore more about my victories or something? Please let me know guys!
I'll play once my exams are over.
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5 May 2005, 19:12
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mmm lambs
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Re: [Poker]
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Originally Posted by JonnyBGood
Why am I so under-rated by GD? Should I attention whore more about my victories or something? Please let me know guys!
I'll play once my exams are over.
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If it makes you feel any better I will bet on you, on the weeks I can't turn up anyway
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5 May 2005, 19:15
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Made of Twigs
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Re: [Poker]
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Originally Posted by JonnyBGood
Why am I so under-rated by GD? Should I attention whore more about my victories or something? Please let me know guys!
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Because I knew you'd say:
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I'll play once my exams are over.
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*Phew, got out of that one*
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5 May 2005, 19:16
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Re: [Poker]
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Why am I so under-rated by GD? Should I attention whore more about my victories or something? Please let me know guys!
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why not whine about it like a little girl until people's opinions change.
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Re: [Poker]
Yeh , a $10 buy in once a week tourney would work for me.
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5 May 2005, 21:23
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Re: [Poker]
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why not whine about it like a little girl until people's opinions change.
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What did you think I was doing
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6 May 2005, 16:11
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Re: [Poker]
So I presume the general consensus is yes then?
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6 May 2005, 16:22
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Re: [Poker]
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Originally Posted by JonnyBGood
Why am I so under-rated by GD? Should I attention whore more about my victories or something? Please let me know guys!
I'll play once my exams are over.
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your complaining?
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6 May 2005, 21:50
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Re: [Poker]
the party poker tournament proved conclusively that poker is at least 50% luck. I havent actually played in a month i dont think, but im not sure whether i can be bothered playing much any more. People have such a ****ing boner over their "poker madskillz", its a load of trollop.
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7 May 2005, 14:53
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i might be interested, but quite possibly not as it seems that there is going to be a regular poker night with some of my mates in manchester now after a pilot this week \o/ \o/ \o/
like sex, poker is 100x better irl.
although i have to relate my tale of woe now that ive mentioned it... We played 2 games, each with a buy in of 5 quid, i played "ok" but not great in the first one, and went out fairly early. The second one i was playing very well and was chip leader for most of it. Then i misread one guy and went down as 2nd to him. A few hands later i got dealt AA in the hole, and there was pre flop betting that i wasnt even involved in, so i went all in.
got called by the only guy who could have covered me, he had QQ, and flopped trips.
boo
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the party poker tournament proved conclusively that poker is at least 50% luck. I havent actually played in a month i dont think, but im not sure whether i can be bothered playing much any more. People have such a ****ing boner over their "poker madskillz", its a load of trollop.
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Ok, at least 50% luck. Accepting that as fact, still leaves a significant portion of skill. As the luck factor is, on average, the same for all players, the only distinguishing factor is skill. Ergo, it is effectively all skill.
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7 May 2005, 23:30
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Re: [Poker]
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Originally Posted by Lunar_Lamp
Ok, at least 50% luck. Accepting that as fact, still leaves a significant portion of skill. As the luck factor is, on average, the same for all players, the only distinguishing factor is skill. Ergo, it is effectively all skill.
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umm. You haven't got the hang of averaging have you?
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7 May 2005, 23:31
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Re: [Poker]
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umm. You haven't got the hang of averaging have you?
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What he's saying is basically correct though.
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7 May 2005, 23:32
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If you play enough games of poker, each player will face the same situations - i.e. the luck of good/bad hands will cancel out. It is then the skill of the player that determines the total outcome.
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7 May 2005, 23:36
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I will conceed that I was using the term "on average" in a loose manner, not statistically.
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7 May 2005, 23:46
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Re: [Poker]
well, yeh, the more games you play then it will theoretically even out.
But saying it is essentially all skill is a bit of a strange conclusion when you've just said it's 50% luck...
Also, luck means more if you have it at different points in the game. So you can be lucky or unlucky with your luck.
Anyway, it is down to skill as well of course like you say.
Is there any game/sport that is all skill and no luck? I guess one on one games like chess or go can be...
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7 May 2005, 23:49
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Gone
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Re: [Poker]
I have a moral objection to gambling.
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8 May 2005, 00:18
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Re: [Poker]
I'm in.
How do you play?
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8 May 2005, 02:49
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Re: [Poker]
i watched all 12 heats of the party poker tournament, the semis, and the final
it just confirmed my "its luck" theory. Many of the players were very similarly skilled. As soon as you "get" poker, theres nothing between you and your opponent but luck, bottle, and the position of the button. True, a lot of it is in how you represent whatever, etc etc, but very often it doesnt work.
For example, when Dave "the Devilfish" Ulliot went out of the tournament to an Internet qualifier (!), he complained "these damn internet players dont play properly, what was he thinking calling me there (the final hand) ?" And i sat and thought, what, because he played on face value, and didnt call your bluff, and didnt buy into you having a good hand like a supposedly "better" player would have?
I saw straights come out on the turn and river, i saw A/K lose to A/8, KK lose to 77, etc etc. There was no justice for large parts of the tournament. If youd had offered the KK vs 77 guy the pockets and flop he would have said "thanks a lot!", and suckered the 77 boy in, but he still lost. Sometimes it was possible to tell a good player apart from a bad one, but in the end, the only thing that seperated them out was luck. (Lee Nelson, the winner, apparently came last in like a 72 man in australia 2 week previous or something).
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8 May 2005, 03:13
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Re: [Poker]
I agree with deffeh.
I can see that yes, there is a degree of skill in it.
But you can't win on skill. There is too much luck involved.
Likewise though, you can't win on luck, there is a degree of skill involved in knowing when to play.
The 50 skill - 50 luck isn't exact, I'd imagine. But it's how I view it.
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Re: [Poker]
no
your RONG
Skill means over a long period of time you will win. Presuming you play the odds correctly and know what your doing
Luck will give you short term gains.
Overall the patterns seem to suggest that skill really does win casheroo.
This does presume your not winning littls amounts and losing big tho (altho this comes into the skill thing too)
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9 May 2005, 00:11
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Re: [Poker]
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(Lee Nelson, the winner, apparently came last in like a 72 man in australia 2 week previous or something).
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And he's probably down money/not up as much as the devilfish. Individual games are about luck man.
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luck is always a random factor. However with poker you give yourself a probability chance against a random set of luck.
50/50 shot give you a 1/2 chance of winning if you dealt over an infinite amount of times.
If you draw someone in with however say, an 80/20 draw, it would mean that if you played an infinite amount of times your winnings would converge to 80% while theirs to 20%.
The skill element is the setting up of those odds. Agreed 20% of the time i might get unlucky, but 80% of the time i won't.
If there was no skilled involved every draw would give you a 50% chance to win (assuming heads up). Through skill you aim to manipulate the game into improving your own perceived odds against the other player, and thus assume that in the long run if you are more skilled the other player, luck will converge towards 50% while the skill element will end up converging towards that 80% draw you went in with in the first place. The skill gives you that added bonus over luck.
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