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Unread 14 Jul 2003, 09:39   #1
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Let cheater win

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gave me an idea. As it looks now one of the LDK planets will win. A lot of people get a bad taste by such a winner.

If we can't prevent it we might just be able to let the current #1 (no idea what his nick is) win. He's closed. And it would be fitting to let him win. That way LDK can never deny the #1 won honestly as only a few of them cheated - like in any other alliance.

All alliances need to do is focus their efforts at the top planets that have a chance of outgrowing the current #1.
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Unread 14 Jul 2003, 09:46   #2
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Re: Let cheater win

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gave me an idea. As it looks now one of the LDK planets will win. A lot of people get a bad taste by such a winner.

If we can't prevent it we might just be able to let the current #1 (no idea what his nick is) win. He's closed. And it would be fitting to let him win. That way LDK can never deny the #1 won honestly as only a few of them cheated - like in any other alliance.

All alliances need to do is focus their efforts at the top planets that have a chance of outgrowing the current #1.
Is Valle not Dragons ??

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Unread 14 Jul 2003, 09:55   #3
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Cud be. Would be even better. I have no idea who he is and tbh don't even care.
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Because having a closed planet at #1 would be good for the game.

I sense it will be deleted before the end in any case.

As for the 'cheaters' as you put it, they aren't 'cheaters' until you catch them, and I highly doubt they will be caught for whatever reason.
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well not to blow my own trumpet but guess who got him closed
: P 0wned! and he was so friendly all round long tsk tsk tsk :-)
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well not to blow my own trumpet but guess who got him closed
: P 0wned! and he was so friendly all round long tsk tsk tsk :-)
As your so great at getting people closed why not close the other top10 cheaters?
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Unread 14 Jul 2003, 10:58   #7
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well not to blow my own trumpet but guess who got him closed
: P 0wned! and he was so friendly all round long tsk tsk tsk :-)
Rarely is it "one person only" evidence that gets a planet closed. Especially top planets. A perfect example would be Fred in Round 7.
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Unread 14 Jul 2003, 10:59   #8
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well easy answer, they havent attacked me yet
and...i need prove, i dont report ppl just for the fun of it...but when i see a ****er launching one a planet with 5 escortfleets and i run and see them recalling within minutes i know his time is up :-)
i'm glad he got closed, would be ****ty to see a backstabber win
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Rarely is it "one person only" evidence that gets a planet closed. Especially top planets. A perfect example would be Fred in Round 7.
yep maybe, did get closed 8 hours after my complaint which is the way i like it :-) die cheaters!!!!
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Unread 14 Jul 2003, 11:11   #10
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Is Valle not Dragons ??

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I dont think he is.

Also Valles fleet got massacred at my planet, hes like 3M now i think :/
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wtf?! another top10 closed? That makes 2 closed top10 planets atm!

I'm starting to think I'm the only non-cheater in the game
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They won't let a closed planet win the round.
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Rarely is it "one person only" evidence that gets a planet closed. Especially top planets. A perfect example would be Fred in Round 7.
Everyone knows that was done by evuhl 1:10
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Unread 14 Jul 2003, 11:40   #14
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Re: Let cheater win

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As it looks now one of the LDK planets will win. A lot of people get a bad taste by such a winner.
The only alliance who deserves the nr 1 planet atm is LDK.
Maybe some of their def has been suspicious,
but they nobody else deserves that spot more then they do.
If you can fight alone (lil help from from 'friends' / Dragons) against several alliances (not non stop, cuz only sometimes big attacks) then you deserve it. Other top planets havent been hit no where near as heavily as the LDK ones.

Imo, if a non LDK i would consider it a bad thing for round 9.5.
It has been a nice round, maybe a lot of cheating / closures going on, but nobody deserves the nr 1 planet except LDK.
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Hmm, is he the goliath guy?
And when did his fleeth get killed at ur place? Only see 1 attacker on ur newscan and i dont think that one got killed.
Valle isnt David of Goliath
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The only alliance who deserves the nr 1 planet atm is LDK.
Maybe some of their def has been suspicious,
but they nobody else deserves that spot more then they do.
If you can fight alone (lil help from from 'friends' / Dragons) against several alliances (not non stop, cuz only sometimes big attacks) then you deserve it. Other top planets havent been hit no where near as heavily as the LDK ones.

Imo, if a non LDK i would consider it a bad thing for round 9.5.
It has been a nice round, maybe a lot of cheating / closures going on, but nobody deserves the nr 1 planet except LDK.
Frankly with almost 100 planets planets now closed for cheating that were either main LDK members or support attack planets for LDK planets or support planets that defended LDK main it is hardly a 'deserved' win.

They might as well let a closed planet sit on top of the rankings for the true winners of this round were indeed cheaters or surrounded by cheaters !!!

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Unread 14 Jul 2003, 12:12   #17
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Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Let cheater win

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Hmmm, I was told that was Valle.
Can you let us know who David of Goliath is then ?

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Unread 14 Jul 2003, 12:18   #18
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Maybe some of their def has been suspicious,
MAYBE?

/me wonders if someone is out of touch with reality.
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Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Let cheater win

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Hmmm, I was told that was Valle.
Can you let us know who David of Goliath is then ?

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LePauli, was In SpaceHamsters, but due to them being a 'not so great alliance' is probably in one of these 'uber BGs' too.

It was also him who, as I was told by the person in question, sent an ex-RaH members fleet (ex-RaH because he gave his login information to LePauli) to die at a galaxy simply to escort his attacks.

Command members of whichever alliance/BG he now resides in can feel free to contact me for logs of this if they wish to examine it further.
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it's lepauli and he's a fencesitting spacehamster.

but as for the point of this thread. if you are serious about letting a proven cheater win a round just so someone you think is cheating but actually have no proof for then you should think a bit first.

if pa lets closed proven cheaters win a round of pa then it's truly the end of a once good game which we all loved
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it's lepauli and he's a fencesitting spacehamster.

but as for the point of this thread. if you are serious about letting a proven cheater win a round just so someone you think is cheating but actually have no proof for then you should think a bit first.

if pa lets closed proven cheaters win a round of pa then it's truly the end of a once good game which we all loved
I agree on this...

Letting a proved cheater win just to demonstrate is quite a stupid thing to do...
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it's lepauli and he's a fencesitting spacehamster.

but as for the point of this thread. if you are serious about letting a proven cheater win a round just so someone you think is cheating but actually have no proof for then you should think a bit first.

if pa lets closed proven cheaters win a round of pa then it's truly the end of a once good game which we all loved
Problem is that not one person up there isn't a cheater or hasn't benefitted greatly from cheaters by very very close association !!!

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LePauli could have guessed, hasnt gone one round without cheating and you were so close to etarnal glory my my must suck to be you :-)
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Problem is that not one person up there isn't a cheater or hasn't benefitted greatly from cheaters by very very close association !!!

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you should try playing pa for once instead of moaning so much about a game you are so utterly **** at ok?

you're so boring and be4 you start.
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Rarely is it "one person only" evidence that gets a planet closed. Especially top planets. A perfect example would be Fred in Round 7.
Indeed.

In fact, lepauli went into #support and asked whether "holding other account's username/password" is ok if he does not use them. He was warned by gemz that he may be closed for something like this, after she had informed a member of PA Team about this.

Clearly he didn't pay any attention and as soon as the attack was reported by Spearhead it was inevitable, they were looking out anyway for the opportunity to catch him.

Go figure
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hmm...

what was the reason for closure actually.. i heard a version what said.. He was closed because he attacked a piggybacker..and then piggybacker sended he's whole fleet to attack because could not raise defence and that way spoiling lepauli's main attack.. after this it was considered as farming and due to that closure..

Thats the version what i heard.
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you should try playing pa for once instead of moaning so much about a game you are so utterly **** at ok?
I'm not the one who was defended in the last two weeks by at least 5 planet (that I know of) who are closed already !!!

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Indeed.

In fact, lepauli went into #support and asked whether "holding other account's username/password" is ok if he does not use them. He was warned by gemz that he may be closed for something like this, after she had informed a member of PA Team about this.

Clearly he didn't pay any attention and as soon as the attack was reported by Spearhead it was inevitable, they were looking out anyway for the opportunity to catch him.

Go figure
he was afraid LDK wouldn't let him win and this was by far safest option to end high. as while being closed you still get score and resources by you can't be attacked... and with less then 1 week he won't be deleted technically... THAT is why he done it.. no other reason.
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cypher are you deranged????he wont every be declared the offcial winner EVER! you hear me....so leyt him be closed as much as he wants HE DID NOT WIN THIS ROUND...OVER MY DEAD BODY...btw glad i'm out of this freakshow, when the 1337 start to tell us n00bs they gotten thereself closed for tactical reasons, common man get real...he cheated, he got his lil fingers burnt, he's ****ed dont turn this all around....ppl aint that dumb
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Re: Re: Re: Let cheater win

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I dont think he is.

Also Valles fleet got massacred at my planet, hes like 3M now i think :/
er, Valle is in SpaceHamsters, and is about 10 mil now. He lost a fair bit, but he's not dead.

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he was afraid LDK wouldn't let him win and this was by far safest option to end high. as while being closed you still get score and resources by you can't be attacked... and with less then 1 week he won't be deleted technically... THAT is why he done it.. no other reason.
Even if this were true (which I highly doubt) if you go and look on the universe page NOW you will see that the now #2 has 1800 more roids than the #1 and also has the ability to SPEND his resources over the next week.

If he keeps his nose clean over the next week he is the won that would win. 6 mil would not be that difficult to overhaul in this situation

Have you actually SPOKEN to this guy, or is this just your assumption of why he has actually done this, rather than having hard facts?
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cypher are you deranged????he wont every be declared the offcial winner EVER! you hear me....so leyt him be closed as much as he wants HE DID NOT WIN THIS ROUND...OVER MY DEAD BODY...btw glad i'm out of this freakshow, when the 1337 start to tell us n00bs they gotten thereself closed for tactical reasons, common man get real...he cheated, he got his lil fingers burnt, he's ****ed dont turn this all around....ppl aint that dumb
you're misunderstanding me... i'm glad he is closed.
(or i'm misunderstanding you atm heh)

for the record i'm not deranged... i like to call it living in my little dreamworld.

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Even if this were true (which I highly doubt) if you go and look on the universe page NOW you will see that the now #2 has 1800 more roids than the #1 and also has the ability to SPEND his resources over the next week.

If he keeps his nose clean over the next week he is the won that would win. 6 mil would not be that difficult to overhaul in this situation

Have you actually SPOKEN to this guy, or is this just your assumption of why he has actually done this, rather than having hard facts?
want logs?

if he keeps his nose clean lepauli will still end top 3.. as he aint got a chance for #1 anyways...and 6 mil isn't done that fast with just 1800 roids... besides lepauli will still grow aswell in this round.
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if he keeps his nose clean lepauli will still end top 3.. as he aint got a chance for #1 anyways...and 6 mil isn't done that fast with just 1800 roids... besides lepauli will still grow aswell in this round. [/b]
cypher his nose is as dirty as his planet babe :-)
last round he ****ed over cbk, ths round he ****s over his own lil planet, i'm glad the ****er got what he diserved, the scale of cheating still amazes me....its not about who plays the game best, its about who cheats best and doesnt get closed...sick
as for me i'm pround what i did, didnt cheat didnt come out top, but i'm still proud :-) as for all the cheaters you ruined this game....i hope R10 will still have people to play...i wont be one of them
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At least DerBio wont win.

Even if half the universe cant beat those def planets, PA Team finaly closed him .
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At least DerBio wont win.

Even if half the universe cant beat those def planets, PA Team finaly closed him .
Yeah, about fcking time that cheating arrogant twat got closed...
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want logs?

if he keeps his nose clean lepauli will still end top 3.. as he aint got a chance for #1 anyways...and 6 mil isn't done that fast with just 1800 roids... besides lepauli will still grow aswell in this round.
Logs would be nice please... PM

Lepauli is closed, so he should hope that he is not deleted before the end of the round in order to be top 3.

The 6 mil may not be as difficult as it may seem...

I calced it very roughly for the score gain for both #1 and #2 in question...

I have about 1000 roids atm, which gains my planet each day:
200k score resources not spent
500k score resources spent on ships ONLY

Assuming that all of their roids were init (doubt they are but nm) the approx amount gained by the top 4 per day is...

Goliath - 2.2 mil a day
Goa - 3.5 mil a day
On Mars - 6 mil a day
The Blessed Realm - 5 mil a day

Based on this, we can guess the approx score of the top 4 after the next 5 days:

On Mars - 112 mil
The Blessed Realm - 101 mil
Goa - 99.5 mil
Goliath - 99 mil

So he will only just miss out on a top 3 position (of course this is assuming that the above three dont get attacked/more roids/PDS). A highly inaccurate calc, but the best that can be done atm.

and yes, I am bored out of my mind :P
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I heard form several sources, that he deliberately got himself cloed, so he couldnt be roided by LDK, and he can keep getting resources, which he wouldnt if he went vac mode.

I would like an official answer on this, and if its true I would say its very sad indeed.
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I heard form several sources, that he deliberately got himself cloed, so he couldnt be roided by LDK, and he can keep getting resources, which he wouldnt if he went vac mode.

I would like an official answer on this, and if its true I would say its very sad indeed.
What makes u think he would tell anyone official that he firstly WANTS them to close him, and secondly that he wants to be closed to stay #1??

I see his point, he is bound to get roided some time soon, since LDK clearly want the #1 planet, but it is a pathetic way of doing it.

If you cant stand up and make the EFFORT to fight to keep your roids, you dont deserve to be playing and your planet should be deleted. True, you may end up being bashed to oblivian, but at least you would make a decent fight of it and be a defiant leader of the universe against the dominant force of this round.....
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which is just the reason why all closed planets SHOULD be deleted. tbh i can't believe gerbie even came up with this sad pathetic idea......

or whoever started it heh
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he was afraid LDK wouldn't let him win and this was by far safest option to end high. as while being closed you still get score and resources by you can't be attacked... and with less then 1 week he won't be deleted technically... THAT is why he done it.. no other reason.
like i said in my tread,complety unfair to close a planet without delete soon,now he is #1 withou being attacked and still ticking resources..
completly stupid situation actually this surreal a proven chetare winning pa.
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Assuming that all of their roids were init (doubt they are but nm) the approx amount gained by the top 4 per day is...

On Mars - 6 mil a day
The Blessed Realm - 5 mil a day
Goa - 3.5 mil a day
Goliath - 2.2 mil a day

A highly inaccurate calc, but the best that can be done atm.
A highly inaccurate calc indeed.

The amounts of total roids by the top planets in question. Descending.

On Mars - 12626
Goliath - 10882
The Blessed Realm - 10740
Goa - 7718

I took the freedom to arrange your figures into a nice order too. Accordingly, shouldn't Goliath be gaining 2nd most score rather than least score? Dunno about your maths then, I didn't manage to decipher that formulae you used for counting.

Furthermore, I am not taking part in this conversation yet.
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A highly inaccurate calc indeed.

The amounts of total roids by the top planets in question. Descending.

On Mars - 12626
Goliath - 10882
The Blessed Realm - 10740
Goa - 7718

I took the freedom to arrange your figures into a nice order too. Accordingly, shouldn't Goliath be gaining 2nd most score rather than least score? Dunno about your maths then, I didn't manage to decipher that formulae you used for counting.

Furthermore, I am not taking part in this conversation yet.
He's closed, thus doesn't have the possibility to spend all the resources he gains, only gaining score from stocked resources, unlike the others in the 4.
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what have i got to do with this?
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well easy answer, they havent attacked me yet
and...i need prove, i dont report ppl just for the fun of it...but when i see a ****er launching one a planet with 5 escortfleets and i run and see them recalling within minutes i know his time is up :-)
i'm glad he got closed, would be ****ty to see a backstabber win

since when did escorting become cheating?
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He's closed, thus doesn't have the possibility to spend all the resources he gains, only gaining score from stocked resources, unlike the others in the 4.
Assuming he stays closed for the rest of the round?

Unlikely?

If he's found *quilty* with evidence, there'll prolly be fines in roids or/and score, and if not, he will prolly be opened in time to build 4-tick-fi.
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cypher his nose is as dirty as his planet babe :-)
last round he ****ed over cbk, ths round he ****s over his own lil planet, i'm glad the ****er got what he diserved, the scale of cheating still amazes me....its not about who plays the game best, its about who cheats best and doesnt get closed...sick
as for me i'm pround what i did, didnt cheat didnt come out top, but i'm still proud :-) as for all the cheaters you ruined this game....i hope R10 will still have people to play...i wont be one of them
Sure you will - you are the type of player who blames his inability to get a top planet on everyone else and then claims you will never play again because of it. However, you will sign up a planet anyways, and if for some reason you do well, will come on the boards declaring that you are God's gift to Planetarion, and if you don't do well, will eventually be seen making some assinine post here. When people then ask you about your quitting, you will of course have some witty reply about how you just wanted to see the dismal fate of Planetarion in R10.

Am I getting close?
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I dont think he is.

Also Valles fleet got massacred at my planet, hes like 3M now i think :/

heh.. 'right' im a tad over 3 mil ^^

14/07/2003 17:27 GMT (PT 1008) Score: 4642660
14/07/2003 17:28 GMT (PT 1008) Score: 505267
14/07/2003 17:28 GMT (PT 1008) Score: 9308130
14/07/2003 17:28 GMT (PT 1008) Score: 779026
14/07/2003 17:30 GMT (PT 1008) Score: 1299562
14/07/2003 17:30 GMT (PT 1008) Score: 10649521
14/07/2003 17:31 GMT (PT 1008) Score: 10455933
14/07/2003 17:32 GMT (PT 1008) Score: 13575337
14/07/2003 17:33 GMT (PT 1008) Score: 11369047
14/07/2003 17:33 GMT (PT 1008) Score: 4627599

however u are correct, one fleet was massacred due to the target planet (you) ticking 3 minutes before me. bugs shouldnt exist after nearly 3 years...
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my point is: this round should be nullified. r9.5 was the most pointless thing ive ever wasted time on..

i even got 4 accounts closed a couple of weeks back but got them re-opened in 10 minutes.. so whats the point really?
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since when did escorting become cheating?
It is cheating if the same person launches the "escorts"
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