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Unread 5 Apr 2005, 11:53   #1
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Election 2005

Well, it's definately May 5th.
With the financial times publishing a poll that puts the tories ahead of labour for the first time in many years it looks like this election could actually be pretty exciting!
I'm quite looking forward to it!

The main 3 party policies are summarised here: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/in_depth/...ce/default.stm

So, how do you think the election will go?
how would you like the election to go?
Are you going to vote? (everyone should...)
How do you think the smaller parties will do?
What's it like in your area?

For me, I'm registered to vote in Sheffield and Nottingham but both are strong Labour seats.
I can't bring myself to vote Labour after disagreeing with most of their flagship policies. There's no way I'd vote Conservative. I've previously voted Socialist Alliance and Green, the Respect party look interesting but I think Lib Dems might get my vote as it's more likely to make a difference.
STV would be a much better system

Anyway, Discuss
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Re: Election 2005

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So, how do you think the election will go?
I'll tell you when the next one comes around.

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Well, I'm definately hoping CLP stay in power, as I do not like labour much at all, they're very mean men!

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Are you going to vote? (everyone should...)
Yep, though it may be a while before I have to worry about this. Still, it'll be John Howard all the way.

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Same as always, they have nice ideas, but they'll never win a majority over the big dogs of parliment. So long as they keep thinking they have a chance no harm in them trying I geuss.

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Sunny, though we did have a spot of rain the other day, which irritated me a little as I was trying to wash the car at the time. The neighbourhood has been unsually quiet of late, was starting to think it was the beginning of a return to good times, then some little ****er stole our solar-light, quite impressive though given it was cemented to the ground.
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Re: Election 2005

Conservatives have a 10k or so majority (that's about 60% of the vote)in my constituency, so not a lot of point doing anything :|
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I live in a conservative 'stronghold'. I wont vote for them though
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Re: Election 2005

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Conservatives have a 10k or so majority in my constituency, so not a lot of point doing anything :|
Are you registered at uni as well as at home? It's always worth voting - just to show in the overall statistics that the conservatives aren't as popular as they like to think. If enough smaller parties get a decent percentage of the vote but no seats then there will be a big call for change.

If you vote, then you can't be ignored as someone who 'doesn't care'.

oh and thanks for that djbass
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oh and thanks for that djbass
NP, anytime. (I've given up fighting the millions of political & footy threads that have no relevance to me, so I'll just make them relevant).
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Re: Election 2005

I don't think I'm registered at uni (you do know you can't vote in both places for the general election?), and probably will vote for someone, just for something to do :|
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Re: Election 2005

yeh i know, but you're allowed to be registered in both.
Find out what the status of your uni constituency is and register yourself if it looks more promising...
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On my birthday? Heresy!
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Re: Election 2005

At the moment I'd say it's too close-run a race between the two main parties to call either as the winner. The Conservatives really have been making gains over the last few months in the polls, and although polls are ever an imperfect and frequently misleading measure of popular support for each party, the Tories do seem to have rallied either way. I do predict that smaller parties and possibly the Liberal Democrats are going to experience another rise in support this time round, due to disillusion with the two main parties. I'm hoping for a Labour win with a narrow majority, which would hopefully be enough to shake the Tories' faith in Howard and to shake Labour's faith in Blair sufficiently for a few changes in policy direction.

I live deep in the Tory Home Counties, some distance West of London. South Buckinghamshire is an area of high property prices; private schools are abundant and grammar schools remain open and operable in the towns, and most constituencies are pretty firmly Tory. However, I also live in High Wycombe, and we've our share of the Great Unwashed. Paul Goodman is our Conservative MP, and if I remember correctly his majority was down to something like a thousand in the last election. Whether the next horse is Labour or Lib Dem , I'm not sure of. I have heard a presentation from the Labour candidate on how she'd act as an MP and I wasn't overly impressed, but then I can't vote so I don't matter.

Single Transferrable Vote can burn in Hell; if I had to analyse election results from that monstrousity of a system in politics exams, I would probably go insane. It's bad enough having to worry about it cropping up in potential questions on Northern Ireland. First Past The Post has its disadvantages of course (over-representation of marginal constituencies coupled with under-representation of constituencies with comfortable majorities has already been mentioned in this thread), but I think overall it's not such a bad egg. And, of course, the other systems all have their disadvantages too. As for not voting, there's no excuse that I can think of regarding the size of your current MP's majority. If you vote against the eventual government, even if the opposition doesn't win your seat, you help to reduce the degree of its victory and so the strength of electoral mandate that it wields in government. I can see that there would be a valid reason behind not voting if you felt that no party represented your views, but even then you could always spoil your ballot paper or something.
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Re: Election 2005

I don't particularly like any of the parties now. I will probably vote for Labour, as they've generally been doing okay, but I really hope Blair steps down and lets Brown run for PM. I guess my ideal situation would be Labour in power but with a tiny majority, so that questionable legislation will have a hard time being passed.
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Re: Election 2005

Im registered in Canterbury (Tory stronghold) and a seat in Birmingham which is a swing state, I will use my vote in Birmingham to try and ensure it is Labour.
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Re: Election 2005

No doubt I'll get stoned all the way to the polling booth now, but for me it's Lib Dems all the way.
Policies aside, there's no way I'd even consider voting for the Torys and Blair can stick it too with the war in Iraq and his top up fees.

That policy summary link only strengthens my choice, because out of the three parties listed there I find myself agreeing with the Lib Dem column the majority of the time.
It's time to get rid of President Blair.
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Im registered in Canterbury (Tory stronghold) and a seat in Birmingham which is a swing state, I will use my vote in Birmingham to try and ensure it is Labour.
any reason as to why Labour? or just to stop the tories in the Birmingham seat?
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any reason as to why Labour? or just to stop the tories in the Birmingham seat?
Well i dont like the tories and I cant see them doing much for a city like Birmingham, under Labour Birmingham has just grown as a city, I want this to continue, I want Birmingham to be recognised as a city in the ranks of world class city, we just need more investment and continued backing. Im sure under a Tory gvmnt they would focus there efforts on the home counties and would be oblivious to the fact that urban redevelpment is seriously needed in cities in the Midlands and the north east and west.
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Re: Election 2005

The bookies are giving labour as outright favourites to win, but with a hung parliament having odds of 'just 5/1 :|

Labour 1/14
Tory 13/2
Lib Dem 100/1

Turnout below 58% at 13/8 seems quite generous given the predictions I've seen of around 52% :|
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Re: Election 2005

i may actually vote for the first time ever, not that it will make a difference, as i am in one of the safest labour seats in the country (hence the past apathy)
But i do think that a proportional representation system would be a lot better


EDIT: oops, forgot to say, if i do vote it will be lib dem
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Re: Election 2005

I'll be voting for Conservative on the 'Least shite of the 3 parties' policy.

Blair I dislike intensly, and her husband I dislike more. He lied to the country over Iraq and he is determined to drag the country into the European Union which I don't wan't to happen.

The liberal guy (can't remember his name, ginger alcoholic with a funny accent, you know the one) has no policies and gives me the impression of a guy who will be busy telling his party to prepare for government while the other 2 parties take all the seats.

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Re: Election 2005

I can't see why anyone would ever vote for a party called 'labour', this applies to any country. Surely it implies a party that's gonna make your life harder.
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I'll be voting for Conservative on the 'Least shite of the 3 parties' policy.

Blair I dislike intensly, and her husband I dislike more. He lied to the country over Iraq and he is determined to drag the country into the European Union which I don't wan't to happen.

The liberal guy (can't remember his name, ginger alcoholic with a funny accent, you know the one) has no policies and gives me the impression of a guy who will be busy telling his party to prepare for government while the other 2 parties take all the seats.

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So you didn't actually read the policies in the link in the first post? The Lib Dems have much more interesting policies than either of the two 'main' parties.

What Tory policies attract you to them?
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I can't see why anyone would ever vote for a party called 'labour', this applies to any country. Surely it implies a party that's gonna make your life harder.
They're meant to represent the 'labour force'.
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They're meant to represent the 'labour force'.
I gather so, but I do know I've never been anything but poor under rule of the labour party.
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I'm still undecided, i'm fond of the Conservatives policies and as a business owner would benefit heavily from their tax breaks, but i just dont believe that have thought through their policies to the level where they could actually bring them to fruition.

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Re: Election 2005

No party is really worth voting for this time round unless you have some strong allegiance, so i'll make an alternative suggestion:

Look at the candidates available. See who you think is the most able and generally nice individual. Vote for that person. At least then you've voted for a proper reason.

I'll be voting conservative on this basis. In the past i've voted tory because i've actually liked their policies, and i'll vote for them in local elections because the other parties are hopeless at running a council in a suburban provincial town. This time round, can't believe Howard is anything other than a twat - he was an officious, stuck up nob when he was a minister, wouldn't expect it to change if he was PM.
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So you didn't actually read the policies in the link in the first post? The Lib Dems have much more interesting policies than either of the two 'main' parties.

What Tory policies attract you to them?
Immigration controls, extra police, their opposition to the EU constitution. banning of GM foods, their green policies.

Anything that gives me more money and throws the foreigners out basically

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Re: Election 2005

just for the people who are voting on policies

you don't actually believe any of the promises do you? and no matter how you vote, you don't believe that anything will change do you?
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Re: Election 2005

I'm stuck between Labour and Conservative. I prefer Tony Blair to Michael Howard. However, I'm not desperate to jump head first into the EU, and I think Labour's education policy has been an abject failure. They have maintained a stabile economy though, and I'm not sure I trust the Tories with the NHS yet. Frankly, I am uncertain on all fronts, excepting my determination not to vote for any scrounging third party.
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At the moment I'd say it's too close-run a race between the two main parties to call either as the winner.
Hardly. Although the Tories have been making gains over the last month in various polls, some others have showed them as being as far behind as they were in 2001; the best they've polled is about three points behind Labour. Baring some kind of last minute surge in which they gain at least another five points, or a seriously disastorous turnout for Labour they won't win; essentially, they'd have to rely on a fairly freak occurance to be elected. The best they could realistically hope for is a Hung Parliament.

The polls might even help Labour mobolise their core vote through the fear of a Tory Government. Combined with a good campaign, (Or at least, a superior campaign to the Tories - not a serious feat.) the Tories would be in trouble.

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Re: Election 2005

my prediction is 4-5% swing to con, 80 seat maj for Lab.
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They're both shite right wing bastards. Their policies are retarded and will do nothing to improve the overall condition fo the working class.
I guess we'd better just drown our tears in drink then, and vote Veritas.

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Re: Election 2005

I will be voting Conservative though my seat is an extremely safe Labour one(Cynon Valley) and I expect Labour to win the elction with a fairly decent majority.
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http://www.strategicvoter.org.uk
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http://www.backingblair.co.uk

Help you vote anti-war, against the tories and against (despite the name!) labour, respectively.
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I'm told by my swingometer that even a 9% swing to the Conservatives would still result in a Hung Parliament. (Labour 280, Conservatives 300.) That kind of displays what an uphill struggle the Tories face to achieve even the pissiest of majorities. (They'd need a 10.5% swing to achieve even a tiny majority of 14.)

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Re: Election 2005

I want tories to win the election, and I live in the winchester voting area, which has Mark Oaten as the mp, who is one of the more important people in the lib dem party, and a reasonably wealthy area, so either lib dem or conservative will get the seat here. I wish I could vote, but I'm only 17 .
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I am quite surprised at the number of tory-supporters here, it saddens me :|
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Re: Election 2005

Why don't the Conservatives and Labour merge ? They essentially want the same thing except over Europe.

If I do vote it'll probably be Liberal or Respect, more likely I won't vote though, it's a choice between one group of cynical 50 year white old men out to get whatever they can from the system or another group of cynical 50 year old white men out to get what ever they can from the system.
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excepting my determination not to vote for any scrounging third party.
What's wrong with third parties? We don't want a crappy two-party system where both parties are the same.
Find a party that actually promotes the views that you have.

Anyway, I wouldn't personally trust the tories with any public services to be honest. Their policies seem to be based on idealism rather than realism which tells me that they don't really expect to get in.

MM - There was a poll in the FT today showing the Conservatives actually in front, albeit only among voters who had definately decided who they were going to vote for.

I don't think the conservatives will get many more votes than they did in 2001, however they will get more seats due to Labour voters voting for the Lib Dems and other left wing parties.

The number of seats from Scotland has also decreased due to devolution and the tories didn't win any up there.

I think both the Labour party and the Conservative party need a massive kick up the arse.
Labour because the cabinet is out of touch with the backbenchers in the party.
Conservatives because they've been shit for quite a while and have come up with some policies that are so badly thought through even Joe Public looks at them and goes "naahhh"
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MM - There was a poll in the FT today showing the Conservatives actually in front, albeit only among voters who had definately decided who they were going to vote for.
The vast majority have shown Labour to be about four to three points in the lead, usually about 34 -37, or something similar. There have been some which have shown the Conservatives with a small lead, and ones which have shown them soundly behind, (Like the one above.) but they are in the exceptional minority.
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Re: Election 2005

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The vast majority have shown Labour to be about four to three points in the lead, usually about 34 -37, or something similar. There have been some which have shown the Conservatives with a small lead, and ones which have shown them soundly behind, (Like the one above.) but they are in the exceptional minority.
They also come with an "error of +/-3%"
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They also come with an "error of +/-3%"
Unless there's some sort of serious, bizzaro disruption going on more or less across the board, I think we can trust that Labour is leading by several points.
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I've previously voted Socialist Alliance and Green, the Respect party look interesting.
And yet you seem to be handing out election advice.

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Any party with George Galloway as it's cheerleader = teh no.
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Re: Election 2005

You'd like him if he wore a short skirt and ra-ra'd a bit with pompoms wouldn't you?
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He is a definite qt.
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You'd like him if he wore a short skirt and ra-ra'd a bit with pompoms wouldn't you?
I don't 'do' men with moustaches.
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Re: Election 2005

I voted socialist alliance because my choice was: Labour, Conservative, Socialist alliance.
Seriously, they were the only three parties on the ballot
Oh and I knew the daughter of the guy who was standing and she was/is very nice
I voted greens on the local election because I refused to vote for Labour/tories and the lib dems were getting a lot of bad coverage for the council.

I've got nothing against George Galloway, and the literature I got through the door the other day from them was pretty good. Nothing unrealistic. Of course they're not going to get in but at least their policies seem to match my ideology.
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I've got nothing against George Galloway,
You do realise that this is the man who has made such notable statements as:

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If you are asking did I support the Soviet Union, yes I did. Yes, I did support the Soviet Union, and I think the disappearance of the Soviet Union is the biggest catastrophe of my life.
and said to Saddam Hussein:

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Sir, I salute your courage, your strength, your indefatigability
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The fact that RESPECT have him as one of their central figures is telling. I'd imagine that any credible anti-war grouping would want nothing to do with someone who openly admires tyranny, and is so full of hypocrisy and general bullshit as him. Unfortuantely, much of RESPECT is cut of the exact same mould. Worst, they're allied to other, far more sinister groupings, such as the Muslim Association of Britain, which decided it could co-operate with a person like Galloway on the basis that he has stated that abortion was "morally and ethically wrong." to the Independent. They're packed full of this kind of dodgyness, and I personally wouldn't trust them as far as I could throw them. There was an interesting piece by Nick Cohen in the New Statesman a while back about this.
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