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Unread 30 Aug 2003, 11:57   #1
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Unread 30 Aug 2003, 11:59   #2
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well he kinda prooved them right for rejecting him if he's stupid enough to do something like that :/
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the first two of you are either joking or devoid of humanity...

the fact that i can't work out which is a poor reflection upon society, or a poor reflection on me, im not sure which.
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the first two of you are either joking or devoid of humanity...

the fact that i can't work out which is a poor reflection upon society, or a poor reflection on me, im not sure which.
Think of it as a section of British society that is getting very fed up with illegal immigrants in the country.

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Unread 30 Aug 2003, 12:12   #6
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why do you have any more right to live here than any other human being?
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Unread 30 Aug 2003, 12:15   #8
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we don't but if he sets him self on fire then I think that can be considerd as a terrorist action *well action .....something like that* So that makes it that we have got more right then him to live here.
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Something to do with being born here

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Unread 30 Aug 2003, 12:18   #10
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Unread 30 Aug 2003, 12:34   #12
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well he kinda prooved them right for rejecting him if he's stupid enough to do something like that :/
So we should only reject people that are so afraid of going back that they actually torch themselves?
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If the immigrants don't torch themselves we should torch them ourselves. Bloody scrounging bastards.
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the reason i dont follow is your point not actually making any sense. being born somewhere shouldnt give you any more rights than someone else, accident of birth should not be a deciding factor in the standard of life you get. Of course it IS in practice, but soulless bastards like you who encourage it for personal gain are disgusting.
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Something to do with being born here

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So if I am born in sweden (I am) I can move to England without any trubble (I will) but if I am born in Iran (I am not) i cannot move to England.

This is how it is.

But why?
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the reason i dont follow is your point not actually making any sense. being born somewhere shouldnt give you any more rights than someone else, accident of birth should not be a deciding factor in the standard of life you get. Of course it IS in practice, but soulless bastards like you who encourage it for personal gain are disgusting.
I live in this place called the real world. It's a place where i pay my taxes and all the other people who live here pay taxes. It's bad enough paying tax but it's made even worse when it's helping to take care of people that have come here just for economic gain.

When you eventually get to live in the real world you will become just as fed up as I am at having to wait 3 hours in a hospital to be seen because in front of me are for example a bunch of Romanians, one of them with a stab wound they got in a fight with some other group of Romanians.

If I am a soulless bastard for not wanting illegal immigrants here then I will, just for you, pretend I actually care and I may have a little cry.

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What rights? The right to live wherever you want, even when the people already living there don't want you to? I don't think that's a basic human right, to be honest.
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So if I am born in sweden (I am) I can move to England without any trubble (I will) but if I am born in Iran (I am not) i cannot move to England.

This is how it is.

But why?
Something to do with that European Union nonsense I believe.

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Something to do with that European Union nonsense I believe.

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So you don't think that I should have any possibility to come to England, learn English (wich is my goal) and make some money, in addition I pay your precious taxes and help some poor old english woman get a wheelchair.

The asylum seekers doesn't always have this ability no, but don't you want to help a person that is being hunted down and put in jail for jsut being himself in his homeland?

I would welcome you to Sweden if England for some reason started killing everyone on internet forums or something.

Even if you couldn't pay me back with money.

Wouldn't you do the same?

(sorry for the bad grammer etc. I am actually a tad mad here)
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I live in this place called the real world. It's a place where my taxes and all the other people who live here pay taxes. It's bad enough paying tax but it's made even worse when it's helping to take care of people that have come here just for economic gain.

When you eventually get to live in the real world you will become just as fed up as I am at having to wait 3 hours in a hospital to be seen because in front of me are for example a bunch of Romanians, one of them with a stab wound they got in a fight with some other group of Romanians.

If I am a soulless bastard for not wanting illegal immigrants here then I will, just for you, pretend I actually care and I may have a little cry.

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have you considered how much more difficult it must be to live in the "real world" in romania? i DO live in the real world, but compared to those in other countries it is still a charmed life i lead. I just try not to be so selfish, often i fail, but thats my basic humanity shining through my good intentions.

I dont care if you think im living in a fantasy world just because i give a **** about other people in the world and want them to have a little bit more in exchange for a little bit less of what i have. Obviously you are never going to think like that, so i'm not going to bother replying to any more of your posts, i have to go to work soon in my fantasy world...
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have you considered how much more difficult it must be to live in the "real world" in romania? i DO live in the real world, but compared to those in other countries it is still a charmed life i lead. I just try not to be so selfish, often i fail, but thats my basic humanity shining through my good intentions.

I dont care if you think im living in a fantasy world just because i give a **** about other people in the world and want them to have a little bit more in exchange for a little bit less of what i have. Obviously you are never going to think like that, so i'm not going to bother replying to any more of your posts, i have to go to work soon in my fantasy world...
Keep flipping those burgers

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and if he was rejected. he was rejected for a reason
if we took everyone we would eventually need asylum as we would be too poor to eat etc.

i mean at reading festival, i met the most well dressed refugee ever. she went round with a piece of card whimpering saying "please give me money i need food please" i then cared to look at her and she had a leather expensive lookin g handbag...and a reading wristband...
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I live in this place called the real world. It's a place where i pay my taxes and all the other people who live here pay taxes. It's bad enough paying tax but it's made even worse when it's helping to take care of people that have come here just for economic gain.
I think you need to reflect more on the values of a human life. I don't know about English law, but in Norway we do not execute people. Extraditing people to a state wich does is in principal the same as executing them ourselfs, hence we don't do it.

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When you eventually get to live in the real world you will become just as fed up as I am at having to wait 3 hours in a hospital to be seen because in front of me are for example a bunch of Romanians, one of them with a stab wound they got in a fight with some other group of Romanians.
This is purly racist. They have equal rights. It seems you confuse your fellow countrymen with illegal refugees.

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It's not about beeing soulless. Your a racist.
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So you don't think that I should have any possibility to come to England, learn English (wich is my goal) and make some money, in addition I pay your precious taxes and help some poor old english woman get a wheelchair.

The asylum seekers doesn't always have this ability no, but don't you want to help a person that is being hunted down and put in jail for jsut being himself in his homeland?

I would welcome you to Sweden if England for some reason started killing everyone on internet forums or something.

Even if you couldn't pay me back with money.

Wouldn't you do the same?

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Sure you can come here, you can work here legally and pay taxes and pay your own way. I am more than happy for you to do that but the illegal immigrants and asylum seekers don't do that, they dont pay tax I and my fellow tax payers make up the shortfall helping them do nothing.

I am not convinced that any more than 2% (if that) of asylum seekers and illegal immigrants have done anything to warrant being put in jail in their home countries unless its for something they have done that is illegal in their home country. All they want is somewhere to make money and live off other people

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Race isn't a factor here. I don't care WHO is entering our country illegally, it's the fact that they are entering our country illegally which is the problem.

I'd have just as much a problem with it if people from any country in the world started climbing on the sides of trains just to get free accomodation and money from the British government, not just people from Eastern Europe etc...
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I am not convinced that any more than 2% (if that) of asylum seekers and illegal immigrants have done anything to warrant being put in jail in their home countries unless its for something they have done that is illegal in their home country. All they want is somewhere to make money and live off other people

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Race isn't a factor here. I don't care WHO is entering our country illegally, it's the fact that they are entering our country illegally which is the problem.

I'd have just as much a problem with it if people from any country in the world started climbing on the sides of trains just to get free accomodation and money from the British government, not just people from Eastern Europe etc...
If you read my reply again you will notice that I only commented on the section where he hates to let Romanians take advantage of your health system.
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If you read my reply again you will notice that I only commented on the section where he hates to let Romanians take advantage of your health system.
If you read my post I was making the point that it doesn't matter that they're romanian - the point is people are taking advantage of our health system - i don't care what country they're from, the point is that they're doing it.
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I think you need to reflect more on the values of a human life. I don't know about English law, but in Norway we do not execute people. Extraditing people to a state wich does is in principal the same as executing them ourselfs, hence we don't do it.
We dont execute people here unless its for treason. This doesn't happen (luckily for Shayler) and they get life sentences (about 15 years usually).

If you choose to think that everyone that tries to get asylum here is going to be executed in their own then you carry on. The fact that it isnt true probably won't worry you.

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how do you know this ?
By the fact that they are here and not in a jail somewhere in their home country.

I don't think there is a police force inept enough to allow thousands of 'anti government agents' and such just disappear anywhere in the world

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If you read my reply again you will notice that I only commented on the section where he hates to let Romanians take advantage of your health system.
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By the fact that they are here and not in a jail somewhere in their home country.

I don't think there is a police force inept enough to allow thousands of 'anti government agents' and such just disappear anywhere in the world

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Have you ever spoken to a person who's from a country like for example Iraq or some African dictatorship ?
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Only to tell them to piss off and take their accordian elsewhere (if you use the Central or Northern lines you will know what I mean)

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Yup, I spoke to an Iraqi guy once who was on a soccer team we were playing. He was rather violent and took a swing at another guy on my team during the game, which ofc the ref missed.
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We dont execute people here unless its for treason. This doesn't happen (luckily for Shayler) and they get life sentences (about 15 years usually).

If you choose to think that everyone that tries to get asylum here is going to be executed in their own then you carry on. The fact that it isnt true probably won't worry you.

For example



They are not my fellow countrymen



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So you are a more capable judge of morale than most others? How do you know they won't be executed? Guilty untill proven otherwise?

And, aslong as they can face death penalty, wich isn't a rare thing in asian/middle east countries, how can you deny it?
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So you are a more capable judge of morale than most others? How do you know they won't be executed? Guilty untill proven otherwise?

And, aslong as they can face death penalty, wich isn't a rare thing in asian/middle east countries, how can you deny it?
Do you honestly believe every single asylum seeker is on the run from an EVIL country that wants to execute them ?

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Yeah, but untill he comments on immigrants in such a negative manner as yourself I'll refrain from analyzing his view on them.
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no I think a lot of them also flew out of their country because they are a bit fed up of violence, opression, hunger and fear.
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Do you honestly believe every single asylum seeker is on the run from an EVIL country that wants to execute them ?

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That's quite irrelevant. The lawmakers are to be held responsible for such.
If a man is willing to set himself on fire and kill himself because he fears going home, then surly there must be something behind it?

You should be happy you live in a fairly secure envirorment where law and order watch out for you and your rights. Ideally.
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