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12 Jul 2019, 13:33
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Support Tag, Allied Tags and Cross Defence
With all the current drama on support planets/tags whats enforced and not, I would like to make a suggestion on a change to how alliance cross defense works...
Looking at some current alliance members sizes:
ConspEresy 60
p3nguins 54
NewDawn 33
VGN 29
Howling Rain 25
ReHaB 20
Astatores 21
Mitchas Marauders 5
Currently if any alliance is allied then you can cross defend between alliances without any eta bonus.
This has resulted in support planets placed into a support tag and used for the gain of 1 or 2 planets, its not a new issue and ofc the rules rarely get enforced properly.
Why don't we change how the alliance relations work to avoid this...
When allied the member count must be at least 50% of your alliance to be able to receive defense.
This would mean with the current numbers, ConspErasy would be able to defend any alliance but would only be able to receive defense from alliances with at least 30 members, so Newdawn could defend but VGN could not.
The effect of this would be that big tags can support the little guys but very little guys cannot support the big tags.
VGN could defend P3ng, HR could not Defend P3ng....
Can always defend a smaller tag!!
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12 Jul 2019, 14:08
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Re: Support Tag, Allied Tags and Cross Defence
hi gm
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edit: damn so is mine..
edit2: updated
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12 Jul 2019, 14:18
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Re: Support Tag, Allied Tags and Cross Defence
What about raising the tag limit and removing out of tag defence?
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12 Jul 2019, 14:23
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Re: Support Tag, Allied Tags and Cross Defence
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Originally Posted by BloodyButcher
What about raising the tag limit and removing out of tag defence?
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Agree with that.
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15 Jul 2019, 16:38
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Re: Support Tag, Allied Tags and Cross Defence
I'm in favour of implementing some way to make def tags less useful, but I don't think this is the way, because it'll serve as an incentive against allying with smaller alliances.
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17 Jul 2019, 01:45
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Re: Support Tag, Allied Tags and Cross Defence
The logic is flawed to suggest the 2nd tags to be even bigger
I get your point of letting two allied individual tags to share def tho. But those two dedicated tags allying sounds far more worrying than the extra couple idlers doing so. Apart from the point of view to have own. goals, which sadly always doesn't exist (the past norse, xvx, etc.)
The support plays will move inside your gals by exiling if dedicated enough. If defending from smaller tags get forbidden.
That would certainly courage not to recruit any extra. The negative effect is to have no homes for the less dedicated and less players in general. Pros would be in the same level game play before politics kick in. Which seems to be a higher problem.
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18 Jul 2019, 23:29
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Re: Support Tag, Allied Tags and Cross Defence
How about limiting interalliance defence to AF fleets only ? wanna def an ally use your af slots ?
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19 Jul 2019, 17:02
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Re: Support Tag, Allied Tags and Cross Defence
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Originally Posted by Ave
The logic is flawed to suggest the 2nd tags to be even bigger ��
I get your point of letting two allied individual tags to share def tho. But those two dedicated tags allying sounds far more worrying than the extra couple idlers doing so. Apart from the point of view to have own. goals, which sadly always doesn't exist (the past norse, xvx, etc.)
The support plays will move inside your gals by exiling if dedicated enough. If defending from smaller tags get forbidden.
That would certainly courage not to recruit any extra. The negative effect is to have no homes for the less dedicated and less players in general. Pros would be in the same level game play before politics kick in. Which seems to be a higher problem.
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Your arguments dont really fit with the current tag limit.
Its 40+20 in one tag, the +20 is there so its room for "idlers" and "less dedicated players".
If some tags have 60+15 maybe its time to play around with the tag limits and/or the way tags are counted.
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20 Jul 2019, 07:41
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Re: Support Tag, Allied Tags and Cross Defence
But by what logic would someone take 20 idlers in if u can get players supposedly playing.
I think the best gain is to level it up for tags not able to fill themselves up.
It adds strategic point of views also. I think r80 we won total score by mile, but Ult escorted their top 40 to go past us.
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15 Sep 2019, 00:40
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Join Date: Apr 2002
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Re: Support Tag, Allied Tags and Cross Defence
gm's proposal is good. Planetarion definitely needs to act on the abuse of cross alliance defense. Defense is currently not send across alliances, it's send across tags from the same alliance. From support tag to competitive tag. Avenger's objection, that the support tag would be filled with cousin accounts to meet the needed number in gm's idea, sadly blows this idea up.
I havent met anybody who fully enjoys playing in a support tag and the lower 20 spots in each alliance are thought for people playing support, scanning or just idling. There are real players in most recent support tags (carnish, astatores, the rising / pam's angel, michas marauders, etc) but sadly they also get filled with cousin accounts. The real humans could fill empty spots in the smaller alliances instead of increasing the numbers for the big alliances.
The original thought of the possibility to provide cross alliance defense is not used enough for this game function to be kept. In all recents blocks I played this wasnt really used at all or only certain people in those shared chats got cross tag def. The most recent heavy use was in the faceless, nd and p3ng block. The cross alliance defense was dropped fast though. It was commonly agreed that it's more of a benefit to remove the ability for the opposing block to declare war to all three alliances at once. I think there is hardly any cross alliance def sent compared to the traffic across tags from the same alliance.
The only solution I see is to >> REMOVE THE ABILITY TO DEFEND ALLIED ALLIANCES <<
This will finally remove the defensive support tags and hardly influence real cooperation of alliances.
This is a key difference between an allied or a napped alliance. In future napped alliances could have less protection and be hittable for covert ops for example.
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15 Sep 2019, 00:57
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Re: Support Tag, Allied Tags and Cross Defence
This is all too complicated.
Make it simple.
You can ONLY defend your alliance and your galaxy
End of.
Edit: also remove allied option from alliance relations
You want a support tag? Fine, but they can only support you in attack and not defence
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23 Sep 2019, 10:49
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Hamburger
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Re: Support Tag, Allied Tags and Cross Defence
the latest discussion in telegram show that there is a common understanding that the cross tag def needs to be removed. I hope admins can act on this before the next round starts.
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23 Sep 2019, 12:38
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Re: Support Tag, Allied Tags and Cross Defence
Sounds fine to me.
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