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Unread 24 Aug 2011, 00:53   #51
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Undoubtedly xVx move to work with Ultores at this time allready is fundamentally flawed (i don't know if this is true or not, only just signed up again today). On the other hand one could argue that xVx's trackrecord of not joining blocks allready made sure their starting position was hopeless this round. Even with normally "blocky" allies like TGV and ND not playing ball this time round.
I guess I just play the game different. I would never sign up with an alliance with the sole intention of finishing second.
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If that was the plan we wouldn't be going into the round with a half full tag
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If that was the plan we wouldn't be going into the round with a half full tag
If it wasn't the case you would have stayed in apprime

Even half tag you are favourites to win and thats without the ones you havent added yet.
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It was an xVx member, on this very forum, that stated there was a xVx/Ult block. Not me. I just replied to his post.
Show me a post where xVx member said that block exists. If you are referring to this:

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I would assume it will be the same scenerio again this round - were already seeing blocking coming into place against xVx and eksero's alliance. Obviously shows that those 2 allianes are better as it takes multiple allainces to coordinate to take them down - wheras on the flipside both those allainecs could probably deal with CT or ND on there own
then you are an idiot sir.

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Who do you think we can plot with?

ND have their own things to deal with.
Ult want to win.
xVx want to hand the win to Ult.
TGV are staing out this round.
p3n are hitting CT as we speak.

Who exactly does that leave?
That leaves you with several smaller allies, including ToF that are CT puppets every round
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If it wasn't the case you would have stayed in apprime

Even half tag you are favourites to win and thats without the ones you havent added yet.
And who might that be?
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If it wasn't the case you would have stayed in apprime

Even half tag you are favourites to win and thats without the ones you havent added yet.
How long did it take to get the Comical Ali makeup off?
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Unread 24 Aug 2011, 12:44   #58
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Show me a post where xVx member said that block exists. If you are referring to this:



then you are an idiot sir.



That leaves you with several smaller allies, including ToF that are CT puppets every round
I think that states very clearly that xvx/ult have blocked. Don't you?

So far we have ult/xvx/p3n hitting ct and you think we can even it up by linking up with ToF ??
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And who might that be?
Time will tell won't it.

You and I both know however, that I never post on the forum without being pretty sure of my facts.
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How long did it take to get the Comical Ali makeup off?
You don't think ultores are favourites to win?
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Oh and fake nicking (and going to the bother of registering 'Forest1') is lame, sad and so round 6
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Time will tell won't it.

You and I both know however, that I never post on the forum without being pretty sure of my facts.
Then you did this time
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Re: Congrats ND

Nope and no-one in pa is buying it either

Whether you like it or not, you are the hot favourites to win the round and I don't see you gifting the win to xVx or p3n either so I am guessing they are sitting uncomfortably with that
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Ultores (worst. name. ever.) don't look like a tag with people outside of it. If there were, they'd be trickling in as they were getting attacked. That's not happening.

(Also, "no one in PA is buying it" is an argument from popularity, a logical fallacy, and one without any data to back it up, at that.)
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Re: Congrats ND

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Nope and no-one in pa is buying it either

Whether you like it or not, you are the hot favourites to win the round and I don't see you gifting the win to xVx or p3n either so I am guessing they are sitting uncomfortably with that

How exactly will p3n win the round? us and p3ng combined barely have more members than your own alliance
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Once you've singlehandedly destroyed everyone, they cannot resist your almighty force. They will be crushed beneath your steel boots like so many ants. DON'T DENY IT!
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How exactly will p3n win the round? us and p3ng combined barely have more members than your own alliance

Well, and I am not one to listen to rumours....

We have Ult/p3n/xVx hitting CT.
I think within the week most of the roids in the universe will be with those three. I am also hearing that DLR are siding with you but I hope that is wrong.

At which point one of those 3 can go for the win.

Now, ult will not hand the win to xVx or p3n, if they would do that they would have stayed in app.
So that means ult will ALREADY have in place, plans to deal with xVx and p3n in the case that either of those two are in a position to win.

Just how I see it, (and most of the universe I feel)...

It is a shame I am leaving in 3 days (though thanks for Munkee for the p3n co-ords list) but I will try and pop back from time to time to see my prediction come right
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Ultores (worst. name. ever.) don't look like a tag with people outside of it. If there were, they'd be trickling in as they were getting attacked. That's not happening.
Such as the round 1up kept all their big planets out of tag and never added any of them till the final 2 weeks?
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We have Ult/p3n/xVx hitting CT.
seriously.. xVx hit what... 4 CT planets last night? (if not less) and managed to piggy a CT attack... clearly shows they are working against CT
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Such as the round 1up kept all their big planets out of tag and never added any of them till the final 2 weeks?
Are you also afraid an alliance will win the round on XP alone? Because that would explain a lot.
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Are you also afraid an alliance will win the round on XP alone? Because that would explain a lot.
Ult will win on value, duh
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Well, and I am not one to listen to rumours....

We have Ult/p3n/xVx hitting CT.
I think within the week most of the roids in the universe will be with those three. I am also hearing that DLR are siding with you but I hope that is wrong.

At which point one of those 3 can go for the win.

Now, ult will not hand the win to xVx or p3n, if they would do that they would have stayed in app.
So that means ult will ALREADY have in place, plans to deal with xVx and p3n in the case that either of those two are in a position to win.

Just how I see it, (and most of the universe I feel)...

It is a shame I am leaving in 3 days (though thanks for Munkee for the p3n co-ords list) but I will try and pop back from time to time to see my prediction come right
We haven't hit ct, not knowingly anyway, last i checked we barely had any ct coords. We also haven't coordinated attacks with anyone, but hey, you know best right?
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Forest its to earlie to draw conclusions about anyone hitting anyone atm, unless you have some actual proof to back it up. Most alliances are just hitting fat random galaxy`s atm. It may feel like you get alot of incs, due to the fact that you have the highest membercount and pretty high score on all your players..

and dlr is hitting ultores randomly vice versa.. don`t go be maxmillian on us
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"xVx trackrecord never joining blocks bla bla". I'd put it more this way. In rounds, when App or Asc were so awesome, that they were winning 4-5 alliances singlehandedly, xVx stayed out until it was become more apparent App or Asc would win again, then they joined their side. Seen it happen many times.
Now someone is gonna come here and say "yah we fought App that one round when nobody else did bla bla". This was when xVx were aiming for the win, and not being App puppets.
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"xVx trackrecord never joining blocks bla bla". I'd put it more this way. In rounds, when App or Asc were so awesome, that they were winning 4-5 alliances singlehandedly, xVx stayed out until it was become more apparent App or Asc would win again, then they joined their side. Seen it happen many times.
Now someone is gonna come here and say "yah we fought App that one round when nobody else did bla bla". This was when xVx were aiming for the win, and not being App puppets.
That's the problem with PA, not enough people want to play to win.

If I was in charge of politics and was xVx I would be asking p3n to ally in order to take out Ult, maybe see if DLR fancy it too (might need a nap or two with CT). When Ult are dealt with drop the nap and play for the win. That means properly dealt with, not just two nights roiding them then agreeing a nap).

This keeps it fresh for alliances and gives a p3n/dlr/xvx/ult all a chance to win.

What will happen though is, Ult will block enough to be sure of a win and anyone on their side will have to just accept it.

Some things don't change in pa.
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This means no alliance will attack ct and gives ct a chance to win.
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I think that states very clearly that xvx/ult have blocked. Don't you?

So far we have ult/xvx/p3n hitting ct and you think we can even it up by linking up with ToF ??

I think it actually states that the likes of CT/ND and so on need friends and NAP to take out big alliances whereas xVx OR Ultores could do it without such things

At no point did my post state Ultores or xVx were in cahoots with each other...

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I would also say that Ultores vs xVx wouldnt be a massacre but a reasonably even fight.

Both have opposing ship make up - Ult cr/bs - xVx fi/co

xVx has 30ish more members

Ultores has a better playerbase (this isnt putting down xVx its just a simple fact)

xVx has the advantage of being able to do pods only attacks on Ultores without having to waste ships faking co as cr and so on.. This pretty much doubles xVx's attacking potential as an alliance and would cause serious problems for Ultores dc's

Same applies on the flip side that for every Ultores attack fleet + possible fake attack fleet there is 3x def for xVx with the Xan faking option. The terrans will need to team with Etd's aswell cos spectres massacre them alone...

Overall reasonable fair i would say - its probably not a war eksero needs either in his new alliances first round
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Is that counting last rounds vacation mode crew in Ultores?
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haha kaiba,

Thats just a post saying 'we can take you on so you need to stay on our side because we can damage you'
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Overall reasonable fair i would say - its probably not a war eksero needs either in his new alliances first round
That is a common misunderstanding. If an alliance does not work out the first round, it never will. Great alliances don't spend rounds "recruiting" or "team building". They recognize it for the bullshit it is and either play the game or don't.
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haha kaiba,

Thats just a post saying 'we can take you on so you need to stay on our side because we can damage you'

Thats because that is how you read it, educated people like the people it was addressing took it how it was meant - a fair assessment of the field of play



Mz: thats a fair enough comment - but as happened with Omega would it not also be bad to go all out and get whooped??

Im assuming eksero plans for his alliance to be long term so wouldnt a slightly cautious approach to politics be better???
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I said "great alliances"
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Time will tell won't it.

You and I both know however, that I never post on the forum without being pretty sure of my facts.
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I think it actually states that the likes of CT/ND and so on need friends and NAP to take out big alliances whereas xVx OR Ultores could do it without such things
I think it has been acknowledged in this thread that xVx lost v TGV 1 on 1 last round.
So which big alliances do you think xVx will be taking out?
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I said I would reply but have been doing other stuff to try and avoid doing the cleaning and this is the last thing on me list. Then I have to clean :crymeariver:

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I would also say that Ultores vs xVx wouldnt be a massacre but a reasonably even fight.
xVx have shown they crash easily, losing a lot of value. I am sure Ult could do a good job of mopping up what is left.

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Both have opposing ship make up - Ult cr/bs - xVx fi/co
I think my intel must have let me down here.
My intel suggests Ult have gone entirely Xan. It also suggests approx 50% of xVx have gone cath/etd/zik.

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xVx has 30ish more members
I would take 40 good active members v 50 active and 20 noobs any day. That just means you have planets that aren't worth defending, or able to defend cause they aren't active enough, which makes it harder in a war as Ult can just pick off the free roids as well as roid the active players.
Your morale will dip because they will roid harder. Your only option will be to take roids from weak players in Ult gals as you manage to land less and less on Ult, making you more enemies whilst doing less damage you direct opponent.

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xVx has the advantage of being able to do pods only attacks on Ultores without having to waste ships faking co as cr and so on.. This pretty much doubles xVx's attacking potential as an alliance and would cause serious problems for Ultores dc's
As shown, you had your alliances mixed up, Ult are 100% xan and you aren't. That means they have the advantages that you say you have.

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Same applies on the flip side that for every Ultores attack fleet + possible fake attack fleet there is 3x def for xVx with the Xan faking option. The terrans will need to team with Etd's aswell cos spectres massacre them alone...
Again, muddled your races and this is an advantage to Ult, not you.

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Overall reasonable fair i would say - its probably not a war eksero needs either in his new alliances first round
I would say that isn't even close to being even and you would get massacared, for reasons given.

War is only ever good for an alliance if the alliance can finish the enemy quickly then farm whats left. In this situation I would suggest a 1 v 1 would be very good for Ult.

It won't happen though, I know that. I am just pointing out why you are wrong.
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That is a common misunderstanding. If an alliance does not work out the first round, it never will. Great alliances don't spend rounds "recruiting" or "team building". They recognize it for the bullshit it is and either play the game or don't.
This is correct.

I think however I would change the wording. You could make an argument for an alliance such as rock or ND to be a great alliance, for all they have done for the game.
And I wouldn't for one second suggest rock on their first round go all out war on someone to win. It could easily have broken there and then, they got a spanking and went their own ways and the game would be poorer for it.

I think I prefer wording 'a winning alliance' and by that I would define it as an alliance that wants to win the round, and appreciates they will either finish 1st of 8th, but 2nd place is not an option AND by politics and military might, puts itself in a position to win. I think this is what you refer to.

Very few alliances in planetarion can claim to be 'winning alliances' by the definition given (and I don't mean by winning a round every so often).

These would be (but not confined to):

Fury
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None of those alliances would back out of a war in order to risk a position that wasn't #1.
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Thats because that is how you read it, educated people like the people it was addressing took it how it was meant - a fair assessment of the field of play
We were having a discussion, albeit one in which you rant and got proved wrong at every stage.

I am not sure how my education comes into it but just so you know, I have done 3 years at college, 6 years at university (including a year doing an outsourced Cambridge university course) and am considered somewhat as an expert in my field.
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Im assuming eksero plans for his alliance to be long term so wouldnt a slightly cautious approach to politics be better???
Cautious approaches to politics never do an alliance any favours.

Eskero will know exactly how his politics will plan out this round and he will have contingencies in place incase he has to be more fluid (I think 1up proved long ago that fluid politics is best for the game).

Whatever path he has chosen, whether that be alone or blocked up, he certainly won't be cautious if he intends to win the round.
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Olata, you wanted something to read. Want a bet as to how quick someone replies to my thought out replies with 'you suck'.
My guess would be someone will have done it before you read this post and it is likely to be one of...

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Kaiba, unless you can reply with something to explain why you think something, this discussion is over, though i would assume you have backed yourself into a corner somewhat.

xVx, did you really recuit Kaiba? For real? He isn't just like the special kid you let play as the joke mascot?
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The commonly used term for what you call "winning alliances" seems to be superpower. It's a bit over the top for my liking, but hey, whatever works.

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I think it has been acknowledged in this thread that xVx lost v TGV 1 on 1 last round.
So which big alliances do you think xVx will be taking out?
May I just ask if you are on crack? I seem to remember TGV falling away very quickly after they got fed up of not landing on us.

But I do like the trolling attempt!
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the ceasefire was instigated from tgv as a response to ct pulling away from them at the time. I won't deny tgv had been winning the fight for about 10 days before that tho.
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Just posting on the forums to say I'm not posting on the forums. Carry on.
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hmm.. could there be any merging stuff involved later in the round ?
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