Round 57 Alliance Stats

Its the name and the fact you were an ULT HC do you know how many times I wanted your gal hit :P

Wasn't until we were out of the running it actually happened :P

[Hunterrrr]

Originally Posted by Firebird

Its the name and the fact you were an ULT HC do you know how many times I wanted your gal hit :P

Wasn't until we were out of the running it actually happened :P

We hit the gal when we hit bf there was no reason to do it before.

Cardi kicked katador because he crashed after that we had no room in tag he was without a tag for a week or so before we told him to join spore.

[Mzyxptlk]

Originally Posted by Clouds

You can't really fence in-galaxy anymore because when alliances go to war, they will hit who they want.

If the people in said a are the ones picking the targets, they can shelter their galmates in hostile alliances from the worst of the incomings. If the people in a galaxy determine the politics of one or more alliances, they can do it even more effectively. That's why so few people are able to do it. Random peon #381 does not pick the targets, and certainly does nothing to influence the political landscape.

That doesn't mean you have to be a HC to pull it off. People with the "HC" rank often hang on to it far past their due date. Every alliance has a couple of HCs who are basically just furniture, often the majority. The people who get shit done are usually just those who choose to. They're Ex-P.F.C. Wintergreens, in essence.

It also doesn't matter if you're fencing or forting. For this to work effectively, you just need 1 key person in a hostile alliance.

[Clouds]

Originally Posted by gzambo

And the members tell each other when their ally is hitting their galaxy, so they can ground and organise pl def etc etc etc
But hey if you want to believe that your members in those galaxy's are not sharing your allys attack details I have a lovely time share apt in sunny siberia that you might be interested in

That's why in some cases (when hitting Ultores) we didn't use the webbie and used in-house trustee Battle Group Leaders.

[Clouds]

Originally Posted by Firebird

Clouds that Gal was Fenced to the hilt Spore,ULT,BF,ND

3x HC from diff alliances.

In essence it was fenced, but people still got roided, it's not like anyone in 3:10 was avoided. And besides, it was more of a Black Flag fort than a fenced galaxy, we just got lucky with randoms.

[Blue_Esper]

Originally Posted by Clouds

That's why in some cases (when hitting Ultores) we didn't use the webbie and used in-house trustee Battle Group Leaders.

and yet everyone still knows who's getting incs

[Clouds]

Originally Posted by Blue_Esper

and yet everyone still knows who's getting incs

I got Ultores' land ticks from another "fenced galaxy"!

[Blue_Esper]

Originally Posted by Clouds

I got Ultores' land ticks from another "fenced galaxy"!

how come you barely covered any of our waves then?

[Wouter]

Originally Posted by Blue_Esper

how come you barely covered any of our waves then?

Clouds is the DC, he prolly overcovered the first 5 and was out of def for the other 15.

[Zotnam]

Originally Posted by booji

Being in fence gals has never been a way to avoid individual gal member being hit while at war - indeed being in a gal with some of your opponent makes you a better target for ptargeting as there is less chance of def.
A fence galaxy however a, avoids all those pesky random gal raids - of which there were admittedly not too many after tick 300-400 last round. And as mentioned above b, has few/no alliances who actually have an in interest in seeing them fall - or more than a member or two within it fall. Thus very large incs to stop the gal getting a good rank at the end are avoided.

Interestingly enough, the landscape for fencing has changed. The traditional fence of 1-2 planets of each alliance will get you a ton of random raids now, since you don't risk pissing any alliance off by hitting such a galaxy.

It's now far better to be a fort of one or even two alliances. Fort avoidance is _everywhere_. Throwing in a couple of HC's also doesn't hurt. As the stats show, 3:10 was the best fenced galaxy last round. 1:4 had constant incoming early in the round before.. taadaa... becoming a fort of one alliance. Fort galaxies are left pretty much untouched before major wars start.

As for B, you very rarely see full galaxy incoming past pt 500, because of politics. But if it happens, a fence galaxy with the members spread out are far more likely to get it than a galaxy with 5 ult, etc.

[Zotnam]

Originally Posted by Firebird

Clouds that Gal was Fenced to the hilt Spore,ULT,BF,ND

3x HC from diff alliances.

Let's be real here FB. You did everything you could to fence in 4:7, move players into other alliances and getting pnaps for all non-ult in gal. When we warred p3n and Faceless and Spore none of your galmates were touched despite being easy targets in a very hostile galaxy. In fact, Jintao's win was probably as much of an Ult win as it was p3n. He benefited from the ult fence while it lasted, and then still avoided incoming because of not being ult until he was frankly too big to stop. So you can act all holy and claim everyone else fenced and it sucks, but the fact is what your gal did was way more disgusting. It's not quite on the level of some HC's I've seen, that would pick enemy planets in their own galaxy at shared alliance TP's, then never put them up as targets for their alliance, but it's pretty damn close.

I was in a faceless fort myself, and I can tell you nobody roided me as much as faceless

[Clouds]

Originally Posted by Blue_Esper

how come you barely covered any of our waves then?

If you're referring to the end of the round, we prioritised against CT and also attacked them simultaneously.

During the first block that Ultores participated in on Black Flag, we prioritised against Ultores using pre-launched FR/DE, as FI was basically deemed useless against your overwhelming CO fleets. (there was one night where Ultores landed for free as both raven & myself were awol that evening.)

Originally Posted by Wouter

Clouds is the DC, he prolly overcovered the first 5 and was out of def for the other 15.

You're quite bitter, aren't you agar3s. I'm quite efficient at not overcovering calls, and covering enough to force a recall.

[Kaiba]

Originally Posted by Clouds

I'm quite efficient at not overcovering calls, and covering enough to force a recall.

You are not a bad Dc and you are commited to dcing but effiecent you are not. You always overcovered when I played with you. Only the fact deras was so blatant at it was the reason your overcovering went relatively unnoticed.

[Wouter]

Originally Posted by Clouds

If you're referring to the end of the round, we prioritised against CT and also attacked them simultaneously.

During the first block that Ultores participated in on Black Flag, we prioritised against Ultores using pre-launched FR/DE, as FI was basically deemed useless against your overwhelming CO fleets. (there was one night where Ultores landed for free as both raven & myself were awol that evening.)



You're quite bitter, aren't you agar3s. I'm quite efficient at not overcovering calls, and covering enough to force a recall.

I remember you thought that too when you played for Ult and I had to recalc every call you did. Tell me, why would I be bitter?

[Clouds]

Originally Posted by Kaiba

You are not a bad Dc and you are commited to dcing but effiecent you are not. You always overcovered when I played with you. Only the fact deras was so blatant at it was the reason your overcovering went relatively unnoticed.

Originally Posted by Wouter

I remember you thought that too when you played for Ult and I had to recalc every call you did. Tell me, why would I be bitter?

I have learned over the rounds to DC properly and not to overcover. So although I may have portrayed this trait in Ultores, and a portion in TGV (first 2-3 rounds), does not mean that I do this now. You get better with experience. And as I have been a dedicated DC for the past 4+ rounds, I have learned to DC efficiently. In-fact, I do what agar3s used to do with me; recalc certain members' DCing and recall fleets where necessary.

Golan I didn't move anyone anywhere so you can rule that out.

As for the P naps sn0w refused to play without it so we had one of two choices give him the Nap or play a round with 1 planet missing rendering us unable to compete.

Jintao was scanning for ult as well as p3n so say what you want about his NAP but it was beneficial for ULT as well.

Kata was kicked from ult for god knows what reason I still don't know we should have had 8 ult planets in gal.



Just to add to that even with them 3 planets effectively avoiding some incoming our gal was still hit the most.

[Kaiba]

Originally Posted by Clouds

I have learned over the rounds to DC properly and not to overcover. So although I may have portrayed this trait in Ultores, and a portion in TGV (first 2-3 rounds), does not mean that I do this now. You get better with experience. And as I have been a dedicated DC for the past 4+ rounds, I have learned to DC efficiently. In-fact, I do what agar3s used to do with me; recalc certain members' DCing and recall fleets where necessary.

I wasn't skating you btw, just what I remembered. If you have improved then great

[Zotnam]

Originally Posted by Firebird

Just to add to that even with them 3 planets effectively avoiding some incoming our gal was still hit the most.

You = your gal, not you personally.

And meh, you can take numbers out of context and make the situation look different from what it was. The only reason 4:7 ended on a high number were late round waves on Jintao, which amounted to 30% of the galaxies total incoming fleets. He said himself at the eorc that there were only 10 incoming fleets on him before pt 750. There were certainly many ult galaxies that got hit harder and more often than 4:7, numbers also show that btw.

Late round incs are generally easier to deal with for big planets. For one thing, as the top planet you now have a value lead of 3-4 mill on almost every planet attacking you (anyone outside top10 were 3 mill+ behind, outside top50 4m+). In the early-mid round, your value lead is 100-500k. Your gal mates are also high value. While there may have been 300 incoming on Jintao, it's fair to wonder how many he selfcovered at launch even. It speaks volumes about the quality of the incoming that he did not lose a single roid all round. The one night he had anything that looked like a serious wave, he went on vac I also had requests for def turned down by 4:7 ult members because they were saving it for Jintao.

Now, I can see why all these things help your gal in general, and Jintao in particular. But I really don't see how they helped Ult on a grand scale. Same for the other two pnappers. Hey cool, we got some free scans that p3n paid for and gave a top planet a little more xp.. So basically it could only happen because you had HC's that made decisions which were in the best interest of their galaxy, but not their alliance.