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10 May 2010, 10:19
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Unknown Destiny
Join Date: Oct 2004
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Re: Single targetting to return.. Opinions!!!
Then, I guess I'm not. ))
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10 May 2010, 14:39
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#102
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Alive and kicking
Join Date: Oct 2003
Location: Kingdom of the Netherlands
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Re: Single targetting to return.. Opinions!!!
With multitargetting you have a choice of which ship to build and which not. With singletargetting you need just about every ship there is. That leaves a lot less choice to determine your own strategy.
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10 May 2010, 15:31
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Save energy: Be apathetic
Join Date: May 2008
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Re: Single targetting to return.. Opinions!!!
Heh, you could set it up with your alliance/galaxy. Not sure if ST will be good or bad, but the game definetly needs a [new] factor. :/
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10 May 2010, 16:56
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Arrogant Fck
Join Date: Jun 2002
Location: Helsinki, Finland
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Re: Single targetting to return.. Opinions!!!
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Originally Posted by Mzyxptlk
No.
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Good for you
The reason Mz isn't willing to explain is because it is not upon him to teach you how to understand the question at hand, so that you can take part of the conversation. Instead, it is upon you to make sure you are well informed enough to understand the subject before entering into a discussion of it. Otherwise people get used to the idea that they can spout any old stupid sh*t they like, and they'll simply be corrected later on. This just piles up more work for him to explain why they are wrong, without him getting anything out of it in return.
And everything is statistics, when you are trying to extrapolate patterns to gain greater understanding from personal experience, you are naturally employing the basic tools of statistics. This is also why sample size matters. Otherwise, you might make predictions such as that if you do not sacrifice a virgin to the harvest-god, a plague will take your fields of wheat. Basically, nearly all misconceptions of reality are based on the misunderstanding of statistics.
Fck, I'm going soft, I really should get back to my regiment of pure and simple abuse of the uninformed.
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10 May 2010, 19:25
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This Space for Rent
Join Date: Jun 2007
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Re: Single targetting to return.. Opinions!!!
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Originally Posted by Gerbie2
With multitargetting you have a choice of which ship to build and which not. With singletargetting you need just about every ship there is. That leaves a lot less choice to determine your own strategy.
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the last single targeting round proved that you don't NEED every ship there is. in theory it is true. however, in application..
if groups actually built decent sized attack fleets in different classes instead of building the 1 or 2 classes/ships their alliance tells them to, you would probably see a change in this. this also goes for multi-targeting rounds as well.
for example:
in r35 (single targeting) I had a mass amount of beetles with enough other ships to stop pod only attacks.
in r36 (multi targeting) I had mostly pegs (anti-co/fi) and dragon (anti-bs/cr).
yes, i know i didn't win the round, but in either environment nobody is forced to build every ship to cover anything. that is why your alliance/galaxy is allowed to defend you.
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10 May 2010, 22:11
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Unknown Destiny
Join Date: Oct 2004
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Re: Single targetting to return.. Opinions!!!
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The reason Mz isn't willing to explain is because it is not upon him to teach you how to understand the question at hand, so that you can take part of the conversation. Instead, it is upon you to make sure you are well informed enough to understand the subject before entering into a discussion of it. Otherwise people get used to the idea that they can spout any old stupid sh*t they like, and they'll simply be corrected later on. This just piles up more work for him to explain why they are wrong, without him getting anything out of it in return.
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Thanks for explaining Mz's thoughts! ))
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And everything is statistics
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I disagree there.
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10 May 2010, 22:49
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Arrogant Fck
Join Date: Jun 2002
Location: Helsinki, Finland
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Re: Single targetting to return.. Opinions!!!
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Originally Posted by x-dANGEr
I disagree there.
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Just because you disagree doesn't mean you can't be wrong. Or, in fact, that you aren't wrong. Because you are.
Statistics is the use of data. Everything is data. Every time you interpret data, you employ means of statistical analysis. Some simply do so better than others.
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11 May 2010, 08:26
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Unknown Destiny
Join Date: Oct 2004
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Re: Single targetting to return.. Opinions!!!
I'm actually quite sure that I'm right.
It is a flawed generalization to say "everything is statistics", which is why I disagree. On one hand, many theories are not based on statistical information. On the other hand, many are based on a small sample size the way you put it. Here, it is someone speaking their opinion: an assumption based on a two-round experience, and some logical build. Why not critique that build instead of dissing the opinion because of the small sample size? I'm not quite asking; I already know the answer. Just saying.
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I might be insulted for my opinons, but I'd still rather not insult anyone for theirs.
If you can comfort a tear, do so, but never agrieve someone innocent.
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11 May 2010, 13:00
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Arrogant Fck
Join Date: Jun 2002
Location: Helsinki, Finland
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Re: Single targetting to return.. Opinions!!!
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Originally Posted by x-dANGEr
I'm actually quite sure that I'm right.
It is a flawed generalization to say "everything is statistics", which is why I disagree. On one hand, many theories are not based on statistical information. On the other hand, many are based on a small sample size the way you put it. Here, it is someone speaking their opinion: an assumption based on a two-round experience, and some logical build. Why not critique that build instead of dissing the opinion because of the small sample size? I'm not quite asking; I already know the answer. Just saying.
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The problem, it seems to me, is that you don't understand what you're talking about. You simply don't know what statistics is, and as such you are making incorrect assumptions as to what falls within the field of statistics.
Simply put, you can't make any meaningful observations about the world without employing some tools of statistics. I started to write a justification, but it seemed meaningless and obvious, so I stopped.
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11 May 2010, 21:13
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Unknown Destiny
Join Date: Oct 2004
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Re: Single targetting to return.. Opinions!!!
I'm actually quite sure that I'm right.
It is a flawed generalization to say "everything is statistics" ))
Simply put, I'm saying a no-brainer here. Why do you bother to justify something else I'm not quite sure why. On another note, though, this isn't funny anymore; it feels like I'm abusing your inability to just shut up and ignore something you don't find worthy of noting. Will stop here anyhow ))
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11 May 2010, 22:04
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The Video Guy
Join Date: Jan 2009
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Re: Single targetting to return.. Opinions!!!
They're not statistics, they're mobile.
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11 May 2010, 23:04
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mz.
Join Date: Aug 2005
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Re: Single targetting to return.. Opinions!!!
If all you both are going to do is "yes, it is" and "no, it isn't", you might as well not post at all.
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11 May 2010, 23:33
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The Video Guy
Join Date: Jan 2009
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Re: Single targetting to return.. Opinions!!!
You've obviously never been to the pantomime.
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11 May 2010, 23:39
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Arrogant Fck
Join Date: Jun 2002
Location: Helsinki, Finland
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Re: Single targetting to return.. Opinions!!!
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Originally Posted by Mzyxptlk
If all you both are going to do is "yes, it is" and "no, it isn't", you might as well not post at all.
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Yeah, I kind of gave up already, I realized I'm dealing with a special kind of "speshul".
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12 May 2010, 09:55
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is behind you! o.O
Join Date: May 2010
Location: Liverpool
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Re: Single targetting to return.. Opinions!!!
Yes, all analysis is statistics, not everything is statistics, I'm pretty sure my cat isn't statistics o.O
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12 May 2010, 10:44
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Registered User
Join Date: Mar 2010
Location: Zoetermeer
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Re: Single targetting to return.. Opinions!!!
As some one who doesn't know what to say about the topic i decided to shut up and learn from people who know more then me, so can we please get ON topic again and i can read and learn. Thank you.
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12 May 2010, 14:02
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#117
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Arrogant Fck
Join Date: Jun 2002
Location: Helsinki, Finland
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Re: Single targetting to return.. Opinions!!!
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Originally Posted by sk8_bordin
Yes, all analysis is statistics, not everything is statistics, I'm pretty sure my cat isn't statistics o.O
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No, your cat is data
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12 May 2010, 23:43
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is behind you! o.O
Join Date: May 2010
Location: Liverpool
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Re: Single targetting to return.. Opinions!!!
My cat is data yes Nice cuddly data! And no Razock! You will learn the ways of off-topic-threadness instead! :P
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13 May 2010, 00:51
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self-entitledly superior
Join Date: Aug 2004
Location: Finland
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Re: Single targetting to return.. Opinions!!!
Your mothers are (just) statistics.
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13 May 2010, 01:17
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LDK
Join Date: Feb 2002
Location: Norway
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Re: Single targetting to return.. Opinions!!!
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Originally Posted by Razock
As some one who doesn't know what to say about the topic i decided to shut up and learn from people who know more then me, so can we please get ON topic again and i can read and learn. Thank you.
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well, its been "discussed" back and forth.
In the end its what you like, and how you want planetarion to be.
I dont want to be roided by nubs, the nubs want to be able to roid me. Thats about it!
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I would give me right testicle to be in a gal with you wishmaster!!! wonder if thatd be enough to bribe spinner with hmmmm
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