Predictions R16

[Alki]

wasnt it called xvx?

[Sjor]

Originally Posted by HK

i'm overrated, i doubt i'll even scan for anyone even tho i was supposed to. tho i did end up top18 size rank in r15. i think i've quit pa. that is how i've somehow managed to achieve some sort of neutrality and clear thinking and i'm not doing maximillian-style posts any longer

u would fit in as the person u are, so u are not overrated

[Sjor]

Originally Posted by pig

why dont you get members to step up and form a new command?

good point

[Veedeejem!]

Originally Posted by pig

why dont you get members to step up and form a new command?

I think it's caus the members are loyal to kaifux & the rest of the command team, without them exil wouldn't be exil. So the members decide to spread out & return to playing as eXil next round (PAN), when kaifux & co will be playing.

I actually think it's a good thing their members are loyal to the command team & not the name of the alliance, caus what's a name without the heart & soul to accompany it?

[aNgRyDuCk]

Originally Posted by Veedeejem!

I think it's caus the members are loyal to kaifux & the rest of the command team, without them exil wouldn't be exil. So the members decide to spread out & return to playing as eXil next round (PAN), when kaifux & co will be playing.

I actually think it's a good thing their members are loyal to the command team & not the name of the alliance, caus what's a name without the heart & soul to accompany it?

then they can't step down when those people return?

sorry, wouldn't want to screw up the idea of not having to defend

[Veedeejem!]

Originally Posted by aNgRyDuCk

then they can't step down when those people return?

sorry, wouldn't want to screw up the idea of not having to defend

Yes they could, but still the round they would have played without kaifux & co wouldn't have been the same eXil.
Try imagining 1up without sid, mazz, ... wouldn't be the same either.

Ultimatly it's their choise & we have to respect it, caus we can't do anything about it.

[cypher]

1up without mazz :P awwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww happy thoughts

















/me hides from maz

[aNgRyDuCk]

the membership would still be the same...the players who form the attack groups would still be the same, the ppl who send attack and defense fleets would still be the same.....

if the command is incapable of dealing with activity for more than 1 round in a row..then oh well...no reason those members can't still play for the alliance... a lot of bright ppl in PA, I'm sure someone could step up on an interim basis

[Kargool]

Have to admit. I think its unfortunate that eXilition isnt play just because their command isnt, but I can also understand why. If you dont feel you can supply your players with the adequate support throughout the round you decide to do something else instead. Maybe this reflects more on the players of eXilition whom are unable to step up to the plate when their command decides to go awol for a round.

[Kjeldoran]

Originally Posted by Alki

indeed it was a shame to have to reject stoom and nitina, would of been awesome additions, but come PAN we know where there loyalities lie;(

Exactly, I'd have added Nitina right away otherwise. He's a great DC and any alliance would be foolish to reject him. But he also is honnest with us and we both realize it'd only be for r16. We're looking for core, not reinforcements that leave again at the end of the round

[Veedeejem!]

Originally Posted by Kargool

Maybe this reflects more on the players of eXilition whom are unable to step up to the plate when their command decides to go awol for a round.

There's a big difference between unable & unwilling. I have no doubt there are players in eXil that are more than capable of running an alliance. A nice amount of exil players will be playing as DoS next round so why all this fuss about their decision to sit out r16?
After all it's THEIR decision, if the members really wanted to play as eXil next round then they would.

This is a meaningless discussion caus it isn't going to change the fact that they aren't playing.
So get over it

[Kargool]

Originally Posted by Veedeejem!

This is a meaningless discussion caus it isn't going to change the fact that they aren't playing.
So get over it

A discussion is never meaningless. It just adds interesting thoughts and views upon the matter at hand.

[Legator]

Originally Posted by Kjeldoran

Exactly, I'd have added Nitina right away otherwise. He's a great DC and any alliance would be foolish to reject him. But he also is honnest with us and we both realize it'd only be for r16. We're looking for core, not reinforcements that leave again at the end of the round

and that is a good decision, the core is the most important even if you have to reject a good player who certainly would be a great support.

[pig]

To be honest if members of the command couldnt play then so be it, 1up like exilition has enough quality for members to step up to the plate and take on the challenge. An alliance doesnt rotate around one person, you obviously have the HC team who you would prefer lead but im confident if the HC in 1up turned round and didnt play we could have a competent HC team.

I believe exil has the quality to do the same, considering the majority of your members are hungry for another round, it seems a waste to not play.

#1 Angels
#2 Dos
#3 LCH
#4 1up
#5 Elysium
#6 Subh
#7 TGV
#8 ToF
#9 Vgn
#10 F-Crew

[Cannon_Fodder]

SiN HC regulary play as peons.

Of course it was coincidence we disbanded at the same time.

[Stifler]

exil always say they have great BC/DCs, so it shouldnt be hard for them to step up for a round in a more involved role in running the alliance.

Its a shame that despite members appearing to want to play, they wont step up to carry on playing while the HC take a break

[pig]

Originally Posted by Stifler

exil always say they have great BC/DCs, so it shouldnt be hard for them to step up for a round in a more involved role in running the alliance.

Its a shame that despite members appearing to want to play, they wont step up to carry on playing while the HC take a break

I guess as crude as it is, they are scared of receiving the inevitable backlash that an alliance receives after it has won a round. They dont want to come straight back else they would most likely lose. Miss a round, 1up/Angels/LCH et al are the new evil and they are forgotten. Its sad but true to a certain extent.

[Stifler]

Originally Posted by pig

I guess as crude as it is, they are scared of receiving the inevitable backlash that an alliance receives after it has won a round. They dont want to come straight back else they would most likely lose. Miss a round, 1up/Angels/LCH et al are the new evil and they are forgotten. Its sad but true to a certain extent.

what I was basicly thnking, just didnt say it

[pig]

Originally Posted by Stifler

what I was basicly thnking, just didnt say it

probably what everyone was thinking, even exilition members

[Nadar]

Originally Posted by Stifler

exil always say they have great BC/DCs, so it shouldnt be hard for them to step up for a round in a more involved role in running the alliance.

Being a great BC/DC doesn't necessarily qualify you to be HC.

[isildurx]

Im sure the idleness and general 'ill act like im doing something' attitude can be learned

[pig]

Originally Posted by Nadar

Being a great BC/DC doesn't necessarily qualify you to be HC.

but the qualities shown help, in an alliance like exilition there is no doubt there is such quality there for members to step up to the plate.

[-=Yggdra=-]

Originally Posted by pig

I guess as crude as it is, they are scared of receiving the inevitable backlash that an alliance receives after it has won a round. They dont want to come straight back else they would most likely lose. Miss a round, 1up/Angels/LCH et al are the new evil and they are forgotten. Its sad but true to a certain extent.

Yeah right. As if round 15 was so nice and peaceful coz everyone forgot we won round 13

We don't have to be the titleholder to be target #1 for the top allys or do I have to remind you of round 15's #exiraid channel?

[pig]

Originally Posted by -=Yggdra=-

Yeah right. As if round 15 was so nice and peaceful coz everyone forgot we won round 13

We don't have to be the titleholder to be target #1 for the top allys or do I have to remind you of round 15's #exiraid channel?

I cant remember #exiraid, but considering you were number 1 it was far from suprising you were targetted. We could go on about this over and over but fact of the matter is that if you are the winners the previous round you are targetted from the off, a fine example was 1up rnd 13 and rnd 15. eXiltion is yet to feel that hatred. There is a difference between knowing the capabilities of an alliance and seeking revenge.

exil always say they have great BC/DCs, so it shouldnt be hard for them to step up for a round in a more involved role in running the alliance.

Its a shame that despite members appearing to want to play, they wont step up to carry on playing while the HC take a break


Just a quick 1 from me i think it goes for most of eXi mems we have gr8 Dc's/Bc's just because of that it doesnt mean we should step foward to take over as command team myself i am a Dc and i like to play it as that it is nice to be able to sit back for a rnd and chill without having the pressure of having to peform that is why we take breaks also u cannot comp forget bout rl i know only to well PA is not a game it is an addiction

Ps This is the 1st time i have posted on AD so feel free to flame me i think it is amusing

[cypher]

Originally Posted by -=Yggdra=-

Yeah right. As if round 15 was so nice and peaceful coz everyone forgot we won round 13

We don't have to be the titleholder to be target #1 for the top allys or do I have to remind you of round 15's #exiraid channel?

was it a command chan? as i know my bg has never been in there and we've always attacked on our own so nothing to do with us atleast (on a member level atleast )

[isildurx]

I was never in that channel as far as i can remember either.

[pig]

Originally Posted by Firebird

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good post, and true you might want to take a break, but when there is a large pecentile of your memberbase playing actively in other alliances it is a shame exil cant find new command.

I was also thinking about the negative effect of eXiltion not playing on planetarion. Its quite interesting.

Firstly with eXiltion skipping a round, it means that politics gets distorted, its no longer the fluid role of politics, as effectively the winning alliance takes a back seat and misses there round of revenge. On the other side it guarentees a round with a rather equal standing, although for alliances like 1up and Angels this will never be the case.

Secondly with eXilition skipping a round and many of there players wanting to play elsewhere it has a negative effect on the alliances of planetarion. Many of the exil players are capable, who wouldnt want them in there alliance. They join other alliances, and play to a decent level. However when they leave it cripples the alliance of quality members. The quality returns back to eXilition and gives them the upper hand.

Thirdly with eXiltion skipping a round they stay out of the limelight. As I said earlier they skip the scrutinisaiton round and round that alliances like 1up and angels receive, rather they are forgotten. We know there quality but we forget our "anger" towards them.

yea what you have said is very true pig as every mem i expect we will all return to eXi when we return i am playing this rnd just in 1 of the new allys but wont be playing hardcore

[Sjor]

Originally Posted by -=Yggdra=-

Yeah right. As if round 15 was so nice and peaceful coz everyone forgot we won round 13

We don't have to be the titleholder to be target #1 for the top allys or do I have to remind you of round 15's #exiraid channel?

seems so if only 2 alliances were fighting u really

[Stoom]

Originally Posted by pig

I guess as crude as it is, they are scared of receiving the inevitable backlash that an alliance receives after it has won a round. They dont want to come straight back else they would most likely lose. Miss a round, 1up/Angels/LCH et al are the new evil and they are forgotten. Its sad but true to a certain extent.

Yes 100% true, also we're very sorry for destroying PA and yes, advanced knowledge of VNC is main requirement to join.
Seriously, think what you want but it's in no way like that

[NitinA]

Originally Posted by pig

I was also thinking about the negative effect of eXiltion not playing on planetarion. Its quite interesting.

Firstly with eXiltion skipping a round, it means that politics gets distorted, its no longer the fluid role of politics, as effectively the winning alliance takes a back seat and misses there round of revenge. On the other side it guarentees a round with a rather equal standing, although for alliances like 1up and Angels this will never be the case.

Secondly with eXilition skipping a round and many of there players wanting to play elsewhere it has a negative effect on the alliances of planetarion. Many of the exil players are capable, who wouldnt want them in there alliance. They join other alliances, and play to a decent level. However when they leave it cripples the alliance of quality members. The quality returns back to eXilition and gives them the upper hand.

Thirdly with eXiltion skipping a round they stay out of the limelight. As I said earlier they skip the scrutinisaiton round and round that alliances like 1up and angels receive, rather they are forgotten. We know there quality but we forget our "anger" towards them.

To address a few concerns brought up in this thread:

(1) There are people in eX who are capable and willing of running an alliance. SkyHead's BG in r14 was one example, and this round spezies is helping some smaller alliances, and tuxed0 is HC'ing DOS. I don't think the problem is that there arent capable people who could run eX, I think rather that the origional HC don't wish us to use the eXilition name. eXilition will not play r16, at all.

(2) I, for one, am not "scared of the backlash." You know what I am? Tired. I'm tired of focusing on PA a bunch, and neglecting real life concerns. I, for one, need downtime. I honestly don't think anyone underestimated eXlition in round 15; None of the major alliances in round 15 said "Oh eXilition won't be able to get a high ranking and are not a threat." On the contrary, I don't think any alliance thought eX was not capable of winning. And throughout the entire round 15, eXilitoin mostly focused on specific alliances, so the only "backlash" which would come would primarily be from these alliances--which occured anyway in round 15.

(3) The issue of 1up & Angels not recruiting eX members due to "loyalty" issues is understandable. But it makes me wonder if the concequences of such an action were thought out. Ministry only played with Angels for one round. The deal between Ministry & Angels was probably (just guesswork on my part here) that if Ministry enjoyed playing with Angels, they would continue playing the following round. I would think that would be the same case with any new member of 1up or Angels. If I had joined Angels, If I liked it better than eXilition, I certainly would have stayed there--but I really enjoyed playing with eX and that'd be hard to beat, in my opinion. Now furthermore on this point, with limited possibilities of where eX members who choose to play (only somehwere around 50% of eX are playing from what I can tell) then the limited possibilities of alliances will have a higher saturation of eX members joining them--which in turn means we make good friends with these alliances we join during eX's round off. An execellent way of making friends & bonding with the community

-NitinA

[HK]

A few comments on the last 15-20 posts from my point of view:

It is true indeed that eXilition wouldn't be eXilition without Kaifux. I don't want to overrate his actions. He didn't do as much military-wise in round 15 as he did in round 13, yet his politics were, well, yes, some would say, evil and machivelian-style, but even so in my humble opinion round 15 was the most interesting and even round ever. We really had to give everything as an alliance and as individuals to achieve this victory. The memberbase in the top alliances are quite even skill-wise, it is the motivation and fanaticism which with a lot of luck made eX the winners of round 13/15. I've truly never been in an alliance which was so keen on victory as eX. True, there were some people who cared a bit more about themselves but in the crucial moments we all understood that 1 single planet matters nothing and the alliance tag which wins the round is everything.

Which leads to my next point - the command team. In r15 the command team was pretty hectic to say the least. Even before the round our head-DC crusie decided to leave us and our head-BC changed atleast once. Even I was offered that position at one point but luckily for the alliance I declined. I wasn't even a good BC, I did a few retals and then was quickly demoted. Naturally I had real life issues and other stuff like we all did. Still Kaifux was pretty straight forward that the command team has to be active and reshuffled it quite a few times so never did the alliance suffer because of an inactive command. Thought I think we had one night when we had no DCs on and we lost quite a bit of roids but then we had NitinA who covered 1k+ defence calls all by himself etc. To put it in a nutshell Kaifux did play a crucial role in leading the alliance and using our potential. As a good HC he gave us an active command, he motivated us a lot by his typical funny-english PA mails and member meetings and by posting ownage battlereports, and of course he did all or most of the political stuff in terms of allies/naps/enemies/wars/blocks/whatever.

I know eX has a lot of potential in leadership but I and I think quite a few other ex-eXis would feel that without Kaifux it wouldn't be the same. Though in DoS there are some eX people and even an ex-eX (ex-member) HC. They can prove themselves there, I guess, and maybe when eX returns they'll have more than 1 HC, who knows.

Another point which you might have missed is that eX was a very hardcore alliance and we gave our very best to achieve victory. It would be very hard to do this 2 rounds in a row. I know eX is a good community but I doubt we could play a round casually. And yes, we do need a break. And by a break I don't mean quitting PA for a round like I am doing but I mean playing less-seriously in a less-serious alliance. Or doing new things like starting a new alliance. If people in eX said that round 14 wasn't serious enough for them and you might have disagreed then if they're saying that round16 isn't serious enough then I'll slap you if you disagree. A 5 week _free_ round won't be taken _that_ seriously by most alliances, I presume. It's a time for a break, a time for reorganization, a time for preparations. We all have our own ways how to make ourselves ready for round 17 and I suggest we all use our time well. The universe won't forget eXi's potential, might they return, don't worry about that.

(Let's hope other alliances are going hardcore into round17, then I might return and seek some alternatives)

[Alki]

Originally Posted by NitinA

(3) The issue of 1up & Angels not recruiting eX members due to "loyalty" issues is understandable. But it makes me wonder if the concequences of such an action were thought out. Ministry only played with Angels for one round. The deal between Ministry & Angels was probably (just guesswork on my part here) that if Ministry enjoyed playing with Angels, they would continue playing the following round. I would think that would be the same case with any new member of 1up or Angels. If I had joined Angels, If I liked it better than eXilition, I certainly would have stayed there--but I really enjoyed playing with eX and that'd be hard to beat, in my opinion. Now furthermore on this point, with limited possibilities of where eX members who choose to play (only somehwere around 50% of eX are playing from what I can tell) then the limited possibilities of alliances will have a higher saturation of eX members joining them--which in turn means we make good friends with these alliances we join during eX's round off. An execellent way of making friends & bonding with the community

-NitinA

actualy alot of ministry stayed with us certain people didnt awnt to, as they wanted to xp whore the whole round, which is understandable if they want to attack constantly, that's ministries style and tats why i loev them so much, because i am also an offensive player i dont do the defence malark;D As you said it would be hard to top exi's mentality of playing a round, you guys are hardcore, whilst most pa players seem to be casual and balance rl and pa together, i know you guys dont like that and dedicate your time to your cause which is that is why you all mesh so well, so taking in players as you said from exi who are 99% certain to return is of no gain to the alliance in question. I agree it is a good way of making friends, saying that it is not the only way, i already <3 you and ive never spoken to you once on irc i believe so all in all it is not a case of bad blood between the alliances far from it. <3 u

[DrunkenViking]

I say theese have a good chance:
Angels/LCH/1up/Ely(if playing)

And the winner is....... the one of the above that docks the most incs. Meaning i think it will be a political round instead of those boring "fist vs fist" loophole rounds. The 3(4) mentioned above can all do well in politics and they have a solid quality memberbase. As you can see i took rank 3-4-5 from last round and left out ND, no offence guys but i dont think you got the political abilities to win. Maybe a top 3 if you block with 1up(whom will win in that case). Good luck anyway. I'm gonna bet G-II for top10 maybe Quality players and great guys. We'll see, hf all.

[Alki]

oh HK its 8 weeks btw full round <3

[pig]

Full round ftw, btw v good posts from HK and nitina ill drop ya a reply when i get back from the club

[HK]

Originally Posted by Alki

oh HK its 8 weeks btw full round <3

Well I'm expressing what I and maybe some other people felt when the PA crew announced the "free" "5 week" round, it might prove to be interesting and fun as most pa rounds, who knows :)) Sorry about not being informed about PA stuff, got other things to do :D

[The_Fish]

Originally Posted by DrunkenViking

left out ND, no offence guys but i dont think you got the political abilities to win.

Lol, that made me laugh, it was ND's political abilities that took it to #2 last round, it didn't have the military fight to back up its clever play.

[Chika]

Originally Posted by HK

Well I'm expressing what I and maybe some other people felt when the PA crew announced the "free" "5 week" round, it might prove to be interesting and fun as most pa rounds, who knows ) Sorry about not being informed about PA stuff, got other things to do

No you don't.

[cypher]

agreed with most hk, besides as others pointed out it's an 8 week FULL round.
and you are saying for exi people 2 rounds in a row actively is too much, while angels and 1up and ND and many many others can do it. No matter how you look at it, that's devotion and that's showing you are really top. I know you can win a round... with a fresh bunch of guys it's not that hard indeed, doing it a couple of times in a row is what makes you great tbh Take any of the good alliances that have ever played PA.. none took breaks in between. Legion, fury, xanadu, titans, etc... really do hope you will be able try it sometime. and even tho i understand you wanna play in other alliances in the meanwhile, the chance of you guys going back to kaifux when he asks is so big and as you know aswell as anyone else that's no way to build an alliance. surely with the 50 player limit. Also even tho you might be helping those smaller alliances now, it might very well backfire when all those good players leave next round and they have a reputation to uphold but can't get the players to do so.

[The_Fish]

Almost completely agreed cypher, except that Angels are yet to play 2 rounds in a row at full strength.

[cypher]

Originally Posted by The_Fish

Almost completely agreed cypher, except that Angels are yet to play 2 rounds in a row at full strength.

ah you could be right there but i consider fang and angels the same. and they always said it was angels playing in lch as a bg so always did admit it was them there.... they didn't win anyways, so nothing to defend so to say :P

[Rust]

Originally Posted by Ali

1. LCH
2. 1up
3. Angels
4. NewDawn
5. DOS
6. VGN
... Elysium
7. TGV
8. PragmatiK
9. ToF
10. Rock
11. F-Crew
12. Howling Rain
13. Orbit
14. xVx
15. reinVENted
16. G-II
17. DLR
... APA
18. BIG
19. Violent-Saints
20. RoA
... Dark-Winter
21. Subh

"..." means unsure if playing
edit: added Subh and stuff

not even got SaX there mate or ha

[Sjor]

i have a lot of friends in and respect for exilition
The problem at the moment is that all exil members are in LoVe with their aly.
Exilition has currently a very nice basis of loyality, activity and the willing to sacrafise for exil. Not to forget that this comes from winning 2 rounds, beeing undefeated and the propaganda team pushing up the morale additionaly
You know pretty much that u cannot change this loyality easily. So at least 90 % of the members will stay loyal to exil.
I never played with u NitinA i heard u are a great DC, but like already stated before Angels aint Exil, things go differnt here and you will for sure not want to fight Kaifux in Angels.

I also deeply respect all ppl that came to me applying for angels and finally commiting that they would get back to exil pretty sure when the round is over. Shows that u have good members.

Only problem i see is that i guess at least 40 exil play and thei COmmand team gave them not a place to stay, ike for example Angels gave all their members a place in LCH what also didnt work to well as we know.
additionally to this it aint r14 where most alliances have been smaller and could recruit up to 100 and exil members beeing eanted for skillz very much.

Lets say all alliances got more aware of the exilition strategy and are not going for a 1 round fame but builiding their ally up, what is a good thing. Worst thing i can see comming is an alliance like dos winning this round and losing 75 % of their members for next round. People want alliances that stay in the game (as long the rounds are even) where u can come back after rounds and where nothing changes.

to agree with HK, Exil is not the same without Kaifux, but tbh its even not the same without TK or without crusie. and now u have HYdra. Things change, but its up an ally to cope with that
Angels will play the very first round without Irvine who has at least the same status as Kaifux if not even more

[Spetzer]

Havety take this slightly home but i honestly think we got a good change after last rounds rebuilding
1. LCH
2-4. Angels-1up-elysium
5. ND
+ i have a good feeling about G-II mixing up the soup.

[-=Zyth=-]

I predict SiN will go to war with whoever is just above us in the rankings (which could be anybody).

[DrunkenViking]

Originally Posted by The_Fish

Lol, that made me laugh, it was ND's political abilities that took it to #2 last round, it didn't have the military fight to back up its clever play.

Erm, your politics took you to #2 yes, but there is a difference between playing politics and ending up as #2 than it is ending up #1. ND was allowed to grow ahead while the other allies fought out their wars, but it was never a question if ND would be taken down from #1, it was a question of when. Ending #2 is a strong achievement, dont get me wrong, but i do not believe you have the political skills to end #1.

[lokken]

Originally Posted by DrunkenViking

Erm, your politics took you to #2 yes, but there is a difference between playing politics and ending up as #2 than it is ending up #1. ND was allowed to grow ahead while the other allies fought out their wars, but it was never a question if ND would be taken down from #1, it was a question of when. Ending #2 is a strong achievement, dont get me wrong, but i do not believe you have the political skills to end #1.

I'm absolutely sick to death of second rate players coming on here thinking they have any kind of authoritative political analysis when they give little to none contextual basis whatsoever. Congratulations on joining their merry band.

When you are an alliance which has at least 3 or 4 more dedicated alliances in front of it, your chances of winning are very very very very very small, simply because whatever position you are in, you can be outmuscled at any time. ND's only game was to bob and weave between the big guns, and hope it had enough at the end to get over the finish line. The fact is if you don't have the ability to fight, you cannot win planetarion if you get into a prolonged showdown, because there are always bigger sharks out to get you.

ND's defeat had very little to do with politics. No one has even entertained to suggest an alternative route for us. I'll wager it's because they can't think of one. Our defeat was down to our own weakness.

Politics are massive in planetarion. But like the military side, you can't rely on one half of it to do all the work for you.