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What's this all about?

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Galaxy exile is now working correctly, we are sorry for the delay in fixing this

The purpose of self exile is to leave a galaxy if you absolutelly cannot stand it, for example if you hate all the people in it, or they refuse to help you. Self exile will NOT get you into a better galaxy.
What the hell does it mean?

Either the self exile system has been changed, which we should have been told about, or it is a very misleading announcement, a blatant lie in fact.

So, which is it?
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Re: What's this all about?

means n00bs go to n00b galaxys?
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Re: What's this all about?

i've had plenty of people excilie into my galaxy who arn't very good,... THEY exciled to a better gal,.. then they got chucked out again obviously
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Re: What's this all about?

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What the hell does it mean?

Either the self exile system has been changed, which we should have been told about, or it is a very misleading announcement, a blatant lie in fact.

So, which is it?

its two different announcements, hence the colour difference.

there was a bug in galaxy exile that caused an internal server error which is now fixed.

as to self exile - it is not designed to put you into a better galaxy, it is designed to put you into a galaxy that doesn;t have many players - becuase of this at this stage in the game it is highly unlikely that it will be a better galaxy, there is a much geater chance of it being a worse galaxy (unless ofcourse you are allready in the worse galaxy)
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Re: What's this all about?

In that case it's a lie, seeing as self exile can get you into a better galaxy.
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Either the self exile system has been changed, which we should have been told about, or it is a very misleading announcement, a blatant lie in fact.
I think what the annoucement is trying to say, is that the purpose of self exile is not to get into a kushy gal, where everyone exists solely to defend you and make a good run for the top 3 gals.

The point of Self exile is a last ditch attempt at saving yourself from a hopeless situation - whether that be total inactivity or personal friction etc.

I dont know whether you know this or not, but i deal with alot of people on IRC and quite a few support tickets, where people whinge and moan about self exiling multiple times into terrible galaxies, and then either asking to be put into an active gal (always mentioning that it is their right as a paying customer, which obviously is not correct, and always overlooking the warning that selfexiling could land you in a worse galaxy, which is put there for a reason), or threatening to quit PA forever and take x number of people with them. Obviously, shuffling people again for free just because they are whinging doesnt happen (at least, as far as i know) due to issues of 'fairness' for the wider community. It is assumed that someone who wants to self exile knows what it entails, and the implications of carrying it out. The message on the overview is meant to discourage "active" people from self exiling instead of trying to resolve their differences first.

The intent of the message is quite correct, though i admit, the wording could be improved somewhat.
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In that case it's a lie, seeing as self exile can get you into a better galaxy.
It is possible to land in a better galaxy. Obviously, whether this is likely or not is a completely seperate issue, depending on how good/bad your galaxy was initially and how many times you attempt to self-exile.

Got an axe to grind, mate?
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Re: What's this all about?

I just like announcements to be correct.

Proper semantics FTW!

I realise that the exile system is flawed but announcements like these don't help matters.
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Re: What's this all about?

Personaly. I think ppl should exile until they get blue in the face. until they get into a decent gal.

Cuz then we get better competition in the universe. we get ppl that enjoy the game. and have fun battling it out. instead of sitting in dead end gals with a lot of inactive ppl that at best log in once a day to click around, and don't want to use that stupid irc thing, and cba to actualy contribute to their gal.

If ppl don't care about their gal. then let them get stuffed in dead end gals. isn't not like they would care.
ppl seem to think that it will all be better if the active players stay in the dead end gals and "help out" and "fix up" the gal.

You can't help ppl that don't want to be helped. and you can't fix a gal when nobody wants to contribute.

and then you have the gals that you actualy have active ppl. but they've been bashed to hell.
Well. to be honest. wouldn't it be better if that gal all exiled out. and joined up in better gals, where they can get abit protection until they can rebuild. instead of getting depressed and quitting ?

I can actualy only see good things about the exile function.
Some gals just can't be fixed. accept it, and make PA more exile friendly. and make try to get rid of inactive ppl. they arn't going to suddenly become more active as if by magic. they only ruin the game for others.

There should be some way to stop active n00bs from getting exiled around like a ping pong ball.
but ppl that's inactive should never be sent to an active gal. code something to stuff inactive ppl into 200+ gals until they press a button to get exiled into a normal gal again.
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If ppl don't care about their gal. then let them get stuffed in dead end gals. isn't not like they would care.
ppl seem to think that it will all be better if the active players stay in the dead end gals and "help out" and "fix up" the gal.

You can't help ppl that don't want to be helped. and you can't fix a gal when nobody wants to contribute.
It works both ways though. Nobody's going to want to play Planetarion seriously if whenever they initiate up to 100 roids they get bashed to oblivion by some noob that doesn't know any better.
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as to self exile - it is not designed to put you into a better galaxy, it is designed to put you into a galaxy that doesn;t have many players - becuase of this at this stage in the game it is highly unlikely that it will be a better galaxy, there is a much geater chance of it being a worse galaxy (unless ofcourse you are allready in the worse galaxy)
You are wrong.

Or at least i think you are the biggest galaxys are going to be the ones who have inactive ppl who cant get them damn ministers online to exile 1 crummy planet.
The smaller galaxys will be the active ppl who see a n00b and 5 seconds later he is just gettong on irc and goes to see what the /join #dunno key is and hes looking at welcome in c200.
So self exile means you go into small active gals.
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So self exile means you go into small active gals.
after reading what you wrote a couple of times, i have to say that you are kinda right.

I would say that you are most likely to land in a low ranking, semi-active desperate galaxy who are sifting through the exiles trying to find someone who is IRC active.

Something like my galaxy .

Whatcha reckon?
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Re: What's this all about?

noah, if you look on sandmans you will see that the top 10 galaxies have a grand total of 1 free space between them. The #11 galaxy is full too.

In fact there aren't that many spaces left anywhere. We'll be seeing 19 man galaxies soon enough probably.
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Re: What's this all about?

After exiling 15-20 people in my gal, i've come to the conclusion that small gals get even smaller planets, and big gals get big players.
I mean what are the odds of 0/20 to be good?
PA itself is ****ing up the community for the little guys.
Right now we are still 2 planets short, and i'm guessing when we finally do get a new planet, it'll be inactive n00bshit again.
so thank you pa-team, for a perfectly random exile system that's prolly designed to F*CK the smaller gals
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Re: What's this all about?

the more active gals may be able to exile more easily and hence get rid of inactives, but we have got to the stage in the round where galaxies have been abandoned - this means as soon as an acitve person lands in them they self exile, which means theese galaxies are being kept small without the need for exile, hence there is a real and signcifcant danger of landing in such a galaxy.
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Re: What's this all about?

I'll vouch for that.

I've landed in 4 on the trot - each smaller than the last (well almost).

The current one has 18 planets (including me) and has the princely score of 3 million - and (I'm responsible for more than 30% of that.

(Notice that I'm not complaining though - I *can* read the disclaimer on the exile button)
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Re: What's this all about?

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Obviously, shuffling people again for free just because they are whinging doesnt happen (at least, as far as i know) due to issues of 'fairness' for the wider community.
bollocks tbh, no offence sovey, i have no doubt you beleive what your saying and are in the dark, but it is happening i know of ppl it has happened too and have spoken to ppl who know others too. If you wanna pm me and find out who to speak to feel free (not an open offer).
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Re: What's this all about?

Coincedence that I was talking on #support about this, and then the message gets changed. Surely the exile system is the wrong way round, big active gals shouldnt be able to exile noobs, forcing them to help them a little, where as the few active left in a small inactive gal, get screwed because they cant get a gal exile, end up spending the whole round cash self exiling to get into a gal where they dont get waved every night.
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Coincedence that I was talking on #support about this, and then the message gets changed. Surely the exile system is the wrong way round, big active gals shouldnt be able to exile noobs, forcing them to help them a little, where as the few active left in a small inactive gal, get screwed because they cant get a gal exile, end up spending the whole round cash self exiling to get into a gal where they dont get waved every night.

thats why i want to change the formula to be based on the number of paid planets, not the total number of planets. that way a medium sized gal would probably still get exilees giving ti a chance to catch the bigger gals by traiing the new players etc.
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