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Unread 29 Apr 2005, 18:35   #1
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Who can I talk into funding a physics PhD?

Right, so I've just been offered a place in the Ox physics dept to do a DPhil (go go me!)

Here's the catch: The group I want to work with hasn't got funding yet, and there's a very real possibility that they won't get it. This funding would be my studentship. Slight problem in that if funding doesn't come through, I'll need to find 12 grand a year for the next three years in order to take up the place.

I'm sure some of you people must know of companies willing to purchase my soul for the very reasonable price of three years' sponsorship.

Any good ideas?

Alternatively, if any of you want to give me 40 grand to see me through, that would solve the problem entirely.

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Re: Who can I talk into funding a physics PhD?

The people who make lesbian porn may be able to help.
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Unread 29 Apr 2005, 18:48   #4
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Re: Who can I talk into funding a physics PhD?

I doubt that many people on GD know of the sort of high-technology firms with a significant interest in long-term R&D that'd you be looking for. I certainly don't


PS What would you actually be working on?
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I bet your university employs people to answer this question.
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Re: Who can I talk into funding a physics PhD?

If I end up working with the guy I want to, NMR quantum computing.
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Re: Who can I talk into funding a physics PhD?

Maybe I should start a website where I ask people to send me money for my education.
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If you posted pics, I'm sure you'd make a fortune
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Re: Who can I talk into funding a physics PhD?

However, this does not get us naked pics of Jenny.

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OK, go see your University.
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However, this does not get us naked pics of Jenny.
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Re: Who can I talk into funding a physics PhD?

if i had 36 grand, i would.

i don't.
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Re: Who can I talk into funding a physics PhD?

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By "this", do you mean this thread?
No, Jenny talking to the University, not starting a website where she attempts to raise money by posting a variety of sordid and fithly pictures of herself with various implements, people and/or animals.


I'd have thought she gets enough from her plumbing business in Birmingham to pay for all of this, but maybe trade is down...?
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No, Jenny talking to the University, not starting a website where she attempts to raise money by posting a variety of sordid and fithly pictures of herself with various implements, people and/or animals.
I don't think you'd get much money for showing pictures of you helping a fellow student* clean out a rabbit with a variety of household tools.

Maybe we're using different definitions of "filthy" though.

*I initially typed this as "stupid". Must be the Oxford connection.
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I don't think you'd get much money for showing pictures of you helping a fellow student* clean out a rabbit with a variety of household tools..
Au contraire. I think you'd make a ****ing forttune doing that.
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Have you got a 1st?
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Apply for a scholarship.

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NMR quantum computing
Is this working to improve NMR techniques or what exactly?

I'm applying for a phd which basically involves the use of NMR in structural determination of antibodies. Its fully funded by Celltech (13k a year + full tuition fees).

If you were working on an improvement on NMR technology (or the analysis of NMR spectra) then a whole host of pharmaceutical companies would be interested i suspect, as it is the most powerful atomic analysis method out there. If its something thats only going to be relevant to physics people then i've no idea, i am but a simple biomolecular technologist. I'll list a couple of big companies off the top of my head but the list is almost endless:

Celltech
Astra Zeneca
GlaxoSmithKline (GSK)
Cambridge antibody technology (CAT)
Pfizer
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Is this working to improve NMR techniques or what exactly?
I presume it's an effort to create a working quantum computer using some kind of nuclear magnetic resonance, as that's what it's called.
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Ok my bad, i thought for a minute she might have meant NMR spectroscopy.
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If I end up working with the guy I want to, NMR quantum computing.
quantum computing? pfft, you probably couldnt tell a qubit from a tit. take your boasting elsewhere. being the best of a bad bunch is too easy.
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Re: Who can I talk into funding a physics PhD?

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quantum computing? pfft, you probably couldnt tell a qubit from a tit. take your boasting elsewhere. being the best of a bad bunch is too easy.
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Re: Who can I talk into funding a physics PhD?

Is spiderman strangely intelligent, or did he just read the cover of New Scientist?
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Re: Who can I talk into funding a physics PhD?

He's competing about how much each of them knows about quantum computing, when that wasn't Jennifer's intention.

So I'd guess he doesn't know that much.

Someone who is knowledgeable about a subject doesn't need to boast about it.
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Re: Who can I talk into funding a physics PhD?

I was more confused by the overly hostile attitude. I mean, this was the exchange:

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PS What would you actually be working on?
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If I end up working with the guy I want to, NMR quantum computing.
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quantum computing? pfft, you probably couldnt tell a qubit from a tit. take your boasting elsewhere. being the best of a bad bunch is too easy.
I could understand it if she mentioned it and said SO I'M BETTER THAN YOU or THIS IS A REALLY IMPORTANT AREA OF SCIENCE AND YOU SUCK or something like that, but she just... answered the question.
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Re: Who can I talk into funding a physics PhD?

to be honest, her uni should be working to get the funding, i have 2 friends doing phd's atm (both in chemistry related shenanigans - different disciplines though) and in both cases, their uni's (york and edinburgh) did all the work to do with funding well in advance

they should know the companies that your research would be relevant to, and, quite frankly, for oxford, you would think that it would be quite easy to get funding for students
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Re: Who can I talk into funding a physics PhD?

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Maybe I should start a website where I ask people to send me money for my education.
You could take a leaf out of the 'gonna kill my bunny' guy's book and hold an Arts student hostage, they're all minted. You'd even get Sci Eng students paying you not to not smash its little brains in with a brick.
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You could take a leaf out of the 'gonna kill my bunny' guy's book and hold an Arts student hostage, they're all minted. You'd even get Sci Eng students paying you not to not smash its little brains in with a brick.
I concur, this is foolproof
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quantum computing? pfft, you probably couldnt tell a qubit from a tit. take your boasting elsewhere. being the best of a bad bunch is too easy.
What the flying **** are you talking about? Of course I know about QC, I've been doing a speciaist course in it this year, and have learnt the stuff they taught me pretty well. That's why I applied to the Atomic and Laser dept and presumably why they accepted me.

For the people saying my uni should sort it, the dept are awaiting the outcome of grant applications that would fund me, and funding may yet come through. I'm applying for scholarships and things through college, but because I'm in quite an unusual situation, being that that they're willing to take me even though they don't have a funded place to give me, I've got a very short time in which to sort funding if it should turn out that their grant applications are unsuccessful.
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Re: Who can I talk into funding a physics PhD?

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Someone who is knowledgeable about a subject doesn't need to boast about it.
Makes me think of a martial arts quote...

"It is said that the stalk of rice with the most fruit bows the lowest. The warrior that has the most confidence in his abilities to fight is usually the most humble person you will ever meet."
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Is rice classed as a fruit? I've never really thought about it.

I suppose it is, isn't it?
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Re: Who can I talk into funding a physics PhD?

I very much doubt jenny wrote this thread with any other intention than getting the masses of GD to ask her to show us her kebab for 36k.
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Re: Who can I talk into funding a physics PhD?

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Is rice classed as a fruit? I've never really thought about it.

I suppose it is, isn't it?

i always considered tomatoes as a vegetable. but that is fruit aswell, apparently.
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I very much doubt jenny wrote this thread with any other intention than getting the masses of GD to ask her to show us her kebab for 36k.
She can cook as well?

But then we get onto a wider question. Does "making kebab" count as cooking? Or indeed food?
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Marcus, what is a kebab?
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Marcus, what is a kebab?
I think it's some kind of south-western breed of toad.
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Re: Who can I talk into funding a physics PhD?

Big virginity ebay ftw?

On point, all QC funding on this side of the pond is DARPA. No private institution will touch pure QC research; not with the optimists predicting positive results as 'soon' as 2075.

Furthermore, it is unclear to me how a group that is unclear on how they will fund a single grad student will fund a real QC research program. But that's just me.

Was there a particular aspect that you were interested in focusing on? Band and field effects in oxide/semiconductor heterostructures might let you play in the QC world and still pretend to have enough commercial viability to get funding some random chip company. Dunno.
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Re: Who can I talk into funding a physics PhD?

Stop derailing my thread, I want funding ideas.
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Big virginity ebay ftw?

On point, all QC funding on this side of the pond is DARPA. No private institution will touch pure QC research; not with the optimists predicting positive results as 'soon' as 2075.

Furthermore, it is unclear to me how a group that is unclear on how they will fund a single grad student will fund a real QC research program. But that's just me.

Was there a particular aspect that you were interested in focusing on? Band and field effects in oxide/semiconductor heterostructures might let you play in the QC world and still pretend to have enough commercial viability to get funding some random chip company. Dunno.
The project in question is related to NMR, specifically the preparation of high-purity initial states. The group is a small part of a larger group based elsewhere. There are actually only about three group members here, the rest are at other institutions. I don't kow an awful lot about the funding, but I understand that most of what the department gets for funding is from the EPSRC. I would assume that funding for actual 'stuff' for research is separate from studentships.
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Re: Who can I talk into funding a physics PhD?

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If I end up working with the guy I want to, NMR quantum computing.
interesting. would that be under one of Prof Knight's old students? Peter Knight seems to pop up everywhere there is Quantum Mechanics involved.
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Re: Who can I talk into funding a physics PhD?

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Stop derailing my thread, I want funding ideas.

but you arent going to get any, due to the fact that you have asked on GD fs and the fact that the people with any knowledge at all think that the uni should have sorted this one way or the other.
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Re: Who can I talk into funding a physics PhD?

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I'm sure some of you people must know of companies willing to purchase my soul for the very reasonable price of three years' sponsorship.
unfortunately this sort of thing is really rare these days. I asked a number of companies for sponsorship, and the reply was that they simply don't do it anymore because people just wander off after their PhD and the company doesn't get a good return from their money, I know one guy who screwed over about three companies doing this. kudos for him and all that, but it makes life a misery for the rest of us. I suppose you could always look for a number of companies who are involved in QC research, like IBM and so on, but I would be willing to bet (not alot mind, I don't get much money for my PhD) they give the same answer as I gave.

Personally I think you should be more willing to look elsewhere and to different groups. I know you like oxford and so on, and may even go back there later, but I know of a number of cases where people have gone somewhere else for a while, then back to their original place of study and have been much better for it. Not only will this expand the options you have for pursuing your PhD and the hence the groups you have worked with, but it can also increase respect for you as a reasearcher as you don't inadvertedly get tied down to being so-and-so's subordinate. There are a number of very good QM groups around the country, and if you PM me, I can give you a few names of people to contact if you like, though undoubtedly you already know of many of the best researchers around (and no, I don't mean "yes all those people at Oxford :P).

failing that, I suggest you actually go and find out how funding at Oxford works. This is useful for later on when you become Prof. Jenny and start having students of your own, and also you might notice a clever way to get funding via a different group that has more money. I know of people who have say, worked in Experimental Solid State, and been doing Optics work.
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Re: Who can I talk into funding a physics PhD?

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but you arent going to get any, due to the fact that you have asked on GD fs and the fact that the people with any knowledge at all think that the uni should have sorted this one way or the other.
it's actually rather common for unis to go "whoa, this guy/gal is good, quick employ them" and then not have any money to do so. Much of this is because of stupid government funding, and all the money being tossed at huge projects like CERN and JPL. it seems Jenny is going into theoretical physics, where funding is even worse - the government says "what? you need 500k for paper and pencils?!?" but if you have a big thing with lots of lasers and mirrors and stuff and pretty pictures, you will do alot better.

then it depends on internal funding rounds in the university - a large Physics group like my old group at Imperial College is subdivided into a number of smaller groups, Astro, Biophys, QUOLS, Plasma , Theo and so on, and between all them they have to share 3 students a year. all complicated stuff, and it could well turn out that her group could get the money but it hasn't been allocated yet.
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Re: Who can I talk into funding a physics PhD?

Actually, I'd be in experimental physics. But just to add to my life's excitement, I'm meeting with someone in the context of 'project allocation' in another sub-dept in Ox, who wants to talk about a project with me. This could be interesting...
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Re: Who can I talk into funding a physics PhD?

We need whatever smiley it is on SA with the guy with the wand. The SCIENCE! one.
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Re: Who can I talk into funding a physics PhD?

You could use the word fruit in the 'produce' sense, I suppose.
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Re: Who can I talk into funding a physics PhD?

Have they let you know when they might get a response with regards to funding? Which research council would the funding be coming from?

I thought all the research council deadlines had passed now, at least for the areas here that I know about.

Thankfully I got accepted for a funded place, now I just have the hassle of having to wait for all the official confirmation etc.

I'm fairly certain there are people who you can apply to for funding yourself. Someone who's applying here has an offer of a place but because he's a foreign student he's having a few funding problems. The group that fund non-UK residents thinks he's a UK resident and the group that fund UK residents thinks he's a non-UK resident. That seems to suggest that there are groups to apply to for UK residents for funding.

Our career office has lots of leaflets about funding masters/PhD's yourself, either through corporate sponsorship or through a loan. Would a personal loan be out of the question? Obviously it's not ideal but would it be something to consider or an outright no?

You probably know the relevant companies better than me and your tutors can probably help a lot but corporate sponsorship should definitely be an option to you and shouldn't be as unlikely as R_Ed suggests.
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