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Unread 5 Jul 2004, 22:15   #1
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MISTU storm into 3rd....

....with 22 new members, and with a couple of good days going their way, they could be ahead of 1up and LCH.

Where did they come from? Phraktos?
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Re: MISTU storm into 3rd....

Well phraktoss and Fang have had reckless abandon the past few days, or so it would appear at least, I was wondering the exact same myself tbh after checking on pilkara!
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Re: MISTU storm into 3rd....

Phraktos only lost members yesterday, so they can't have come from there (72 hour waiting period and all that).

Ex-FAnG members maybe?
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Re: MISTU storm into 3rd....

I bet they kicked the inactives yesterday, and fused their active members today with Mistu.
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Re: MISTU storm into 3rd....

I didn't know that was possible. I thought you had to go through a 72-tick waiting period to change alliance?
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Re: MISTU storm into 3rd....

Indeed, I would also have to assume they were merged by the admins. Similar to wwhat HR/LCH did last round.
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Re: MISTU storm into 3rd....

Could provide an interesting twist to the round...
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Re: MISTU storm into 3rd....

Where's Phraktos?
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Spinner in being utterly stupid and incompetent shocker :/
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Re: MISTU storm into 3rd....

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Merging with Lupin Crux ?
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Indeed, I would also have to assume they were merged by the admins. Similar to wwhat HR/LCH did last round.
Yes indeed they were merged. I knew for a few days already, and phraktos (mistu too?) kicked alot of members to make it possible. How nice of them to kick all those members. They will probably agree that they are kicked.

On a side note....

When HR and LCH merged into FYTFO last round, we had a lot of whining about it. I expect at least as much whining now, or i will be very disappointed.
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Re: MISTU storm into 3rd....

Are you saying that phraktos merged with mistu without the 72 hours delay?
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Re: MISTU storm into 3rd....

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Re: MISTU storm into 3rd....

Hmm, does this mean (speaking enitrely hypothetically) that if, say, 1up and LCH were to kick our weaker members 1 tick before the end of round, the top 50 of each alliance could be merged together into 1 alliance with no delay?

If not, why not?
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Re: MISTU storm into 3rd....

when hr/lch merged they still couldnt realisticly win unless a top alliance did a "r10 FAng" (pls dont flame me for using this as example ) but mistu/phraktos could!

For this fact I believe the members should have had to take a chance tbh with the 72 hr wait, there is no other reason for my opinion before any1 looks at my signiture and "figures out" reasons I didnt know about


Edit: Correct me if I'm wrong but didnt FYTO (HR/LCH) only finish 5th combiened?
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Re: MISTU storm into 3rd....

The stupidity of the creators never cease to suprice me. Jeeeezes....
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Re: MISTU storm into 3rd....

Well I assume the community will deal with this problem if this is the work of the pa team. This can only be seen as blatant cheating no matter if the creators think its "okey".
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tbh.... i don't really care about the fact they merged.... what i do mind however is the way PaTeam seems to be making the rules in the current game.

I landed in a shit gal, exiled 4 / 5 times ( i don't even know anymore) , wasting atleast 9 mil resources, losing almost any roids i had and most of my fleet, to only land in worse or equal bad gals. So i figured... Hey as a paying customer i might be able to expect some decent treatment, but ofcourse not. I immediatly get told that moving or any other compensation is out of the question since its just bad luck for me to have paid and get my round ruined for landing in crap gal(s). "I should have known before getting my planet paid that this was the risk of a random round".

And now we have 2 alliances, seemingly struggling to hold on. I would describe that as the same problems i (and many others i suppose) had (and still have) trying to find a gal ----> its just tough luck they landed in a crap alliance and they should pay the consequences (72 tick allianceless). But for some reason, this is completely different for the PaTeam then the problems i have to find a decent gal.


I really hope that PaTeam would learn to be fair or equal in judgement in these kind of matters. SO MERGE MY PLANET WITH ANOTHER GAL DAMNIT! SINCE MERGING SEEMS TO BE FINE!
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Re: MISTU storm into 3rd....

I am sure that the Creators will appear soon and explain it's all been a silly mistake and we are all wrong and nothing untoward happened.

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Re: MISTU storm into 3rd....

Imo its lame for Vision and all the other alliances.

If it was a merger i would be very dissappointed, every new normal recruit you try to get needs to get his 72h of danger, while those guys get a free ride....
If as an example Vision wants to recruit the missing 9 players those would have to endure a roiding and danger period while mistu gets a free ride instead just because an alliance disbanded. This happens often enough and sometimes whole battlegroups or 20 individuals leave an alliance and they dont get this special treatment so i dont see why here a seperate case was or should be made.

On a sidenote do the other 60-70 players who lost their alliance during the merge also get the same chance to join without a 72h period another alliance, or are they customers 2nd class, even if they payed the same ?

In r10 fang, elysium and eclipse took in whole alliances, huge battlegroups and didnt get this special treatment yet still accepting this burden and getting those guys finally in. I cant see why that was a bad thing, if topalliances can accept it, why cant those nowadays ?
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In r10 fang, elysium and eclipse took in whole alliances, huge battlegroups and didnt get this special treatment yet still accepting this burden and getting those guys finally in. I cant see why that was a bad thing, if topalliances can accept it, why cant those nowadays ?
When ToT activity was down in r10, they discussed the possibility of moving their active people into Ely. ToT HC asked pa crew if the 72-tick limit could be removed/reduced if ToT disbanded ingame, and the request was refused.
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Re: MISTU storm into 3rd....

Ace, once again Pa Team shows their true colours

(also, what Focht said)
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Re: MISTU storm into 3rd....

Let us for one minute set aside the fact that MISTU just gained a considerable advantage with the merger alone, in terms of both numbers and quality of members.

Then consider this. There are now 50ish planets out there without an alliance for the next 70-odd ticks. MISTU know all the co-ords. I find that absurd.
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heh, so, you mean all new Mistu members scould be kicked and wait for the 72 hours thingy?
It just adds a little more life to the round if you ask me, and are you scared ? :P
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I guess I'll just have to take time off real-life to get over this.
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so what we gonna about it ?

nothing rite?

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Re: MISTU storm into 3rd....

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heh, so, you mean all new Mistu members scould be kicked and wait for the 72 hours thingy?
It just adds a little more life to the round if you ask me, and are you scared ? :P
that would be what the gamerules say which all other players have to abide to.
unrightfully changing gamerules to help one party over the othes doesnt add more life it destroys the last bits of credibility pateam has and will prolly lead to customers leaving in disgust.

Scared of what exactly ? That an alliance ranked 5th could only succeed over others by apparently getting the admins to modify they gamerules for them ? Why dont we let the admins decide before each roundstart who is allowed to win, im sure this would aswell help the gaming exsperience in the same great way?
On a sidenote will you also refund the 50-70 other paid customers who lost their alliance and have now 72h incoming fun without an alliance and while you are on it, everyone else who changed alliances during the round and lost roids, ships, score during this process?

P.S. all the statements above are based on the assumption pa team modified the 72h period.
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It just adds a little more life to the round if you ask me, and are you scared ? :P
Granting my planet a full tech tree, 8000 roids and 100mil value in fleet would 'add more to the round'. Like this merge, however, it would not be a positive addition to r11.
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Let us for one minute set aside the fact that MISTU just gained a considerable advantage with the merger alone, in terms of both numbers and quality of members.

Then consider this. There are now 50ish planets out there without an alliance for the next 70-odd ticks. MISTU know all the co-ords. I find that absurd.
Does this remind anyone of the WWE, and how things would "mystically" fall into place for certain parties?

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nothing rite?

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Re: MISTU storm into 3rd....

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so what we gonna about it ?

nothing rite?

we cant do anything
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Re: MISTU storm into 3rd....

Change the rules to benefit certain alliances once - shame on you.

Change the rules to benefit certain alliances twice - shame on you again, you ridiculous bastards.
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Re: MISTU storm into 3rd....

Well, indeed, its a lot to wait 72ticks, but aint it abel to merge alliances ?
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Re: MISTU storm into 3rd....

this is absolutely absurd, Jolt should pay some attention to this, because the players are not going to sit here while the PATeam ruins the game by making certain exceptions to some people and not to others. PATeam takes all the liberties it wants when it benefits them to do so.
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Re: MISTU storm into 3rd....

Personally I don't feel threatened or offended by it, but I think others may well be. Sid raised a good point about alliances simply merging to increase their rank, but the real disappointment must be to alliances like Vision and ND who have worked hard to get their places, only to see other alliances kick their members and merge to jump up the rankings ahead of them.

Can't say I'm surprised, but I doubt it'll make much difference to the overall course of the round.

I should also take this opportunity to quote from the manual:

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Do PA team even read their own manuals?
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Re: MISTU storm into 3rd....

How fking ridicolous.
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Re: MISTU storm into 3rd....

If Mistu is going to win it needs to outperform the others with most of the round still left. I don't see any real problems with this merger. Ofc there should be a limit to what can be merged together, and this is about it.Mistu is still pretty far behind 1up. If 1up and/or LCH wants to merge with another alliance to finish #1 then that ofc should not be done.
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Re: MISTU storm into 3rd....

Then what is the limit (it's obviously not the one in the manual), who decides it, and when will we be told?

Like I said, I'm not terribly bothered about what MISTU have done, but rather about the principle that the rules of the alliance system should be posted in the manual, not decided arbitrarily by god-only-knows-who.
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Re: MISTU storm into 3rd....

why has no Mistu/Phrakots HC commented on this...
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Re: MISTU storm into 3rd....

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why has no Mistu/Phrakots HC commented on this...
Commenting on these kind of things is quite useless unless you have some new information to add. It's better to just wait till the storm has died. Being a HC can take a lot of patience.
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i am gonna say fear...just my guess though
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Re: MISTU storm into 3rd....

They asked it, they got it. Smart move. Utterly lame, but smart
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They asked it, they got it. Smart move. Utterly lame, but smart
Problem is, it doesnt do anything to help the Mistu image. Especially pretending they actually deserve their ranking.
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Problem is, it doesnt do anything to help the Mistu image. Especially pretending they actually deserve their ranking.
Problem is, in addition to the free rocks that Mistu gets for the next 3 days, in addition to the snaking of the alliance rankings without the chance to prevent those recruits from just hopping over to mistu, and in addition to the clear violation of the rules of Planetarion, is that there has been no comment as to why the guidelines set forth by the PA-team were ignored for some, but not ignored for the rest that wish to join a new alliance.

If theres logic behind it, thats one thing. If theres no good reason to bring said problems upon the rest of the community, thats quite another.
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Re: MISTU storm into 3rd....

I'd like to point out that this is just a case of PAteam facilitating something that's been normal in PA for ages. Just because you didn't think of it first doesn't mean you should be such a gimp about it. What I really wonder is whether:

a) they'll do it for anyone who asks now
b) they've refused anyone before

The former is a very dangerous precedent. What happens when an alliance gets 200 members in a wing now? Can they just change the structure of the two wings at a whim by contacting PAteam? The latter would just prove how corrupt and hypocritical they are. But then what else is new?

As for Sid's scenario, it's just empty rhetoric, everyone knows it'd be an empty victory.

[Edit:] Barrow makes a fine point.

[Edit:] Seems the precedent has already been set and they'll do it for anyone who asks.

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here has been no comment as to why the guidelines set forth by the PA-team were ignored for some, but not ignored for the rest that wish to join a new alliance
It's also somewhat unfair for those planets kicked from MISTU and Phraktos - I assume they don't get a free pass into another alliance and have to wait 72 hours like everyone else - would be interesting to see if any of them are now being hit by their former allies
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Re: MISTU storm into 3rd....

Its already been done once this round, and I stated then, that what happens when two bigger alliances decide to merge, but would plp listen.
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Re: MISTU storm into 3rd....

umm, Forest, are you referring to Fusion (or whatever)
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Re: MISTU storm into 3rd....

Good question,

Veneratio i think it was, though dont ask me which two alliances cause ive completely forgotten and ive lost the logs.

It was, however, confirmed by admins.

Only two small alliances, but point being, what u do with one group of players u ahve to do to all.

So I think i will go ask LCH and VSN if they would like to merge there top players with 1up, and NewDawn, 6 ticks form teh edn of the game. That will make us the true winners.
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