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Unread 14 Sep 2008, 15:16   #1
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Ascendancy, you have dominated for far too long.

It's now generally agreed that nobody is capable of beating you to the top spot. SO yeah, I guess we -could- just sit back and wait until next round. But no, we're going to give you exactly what you want - a run for your money.

Today is just the beginning. Every time you send a fleet out, we'll be watching you. Every time you attack, we'll be around to retal. If your ships even think about leaving your base, they'd best have their last will and testiment written in advance.

This game has descended far too far into galraiding and mindnumbing and predictable p-targetting. There have been far too many petty squabbles and senseless bickering keeping alliances from working together for the greater good.

But you, gentlemen, are evil. You are the very icon of all that is wrong with the game. You are cooperate, satan-loving pawns in the game of life. You need to be stopped. Personal victories, individual acheivements and personal bests mean nothing whilst in the shadow of our oppressors.

Blind shall you be in your ignorance. Defeated you shall be in your efforts. Faced you will be with the vigilance, resolution and determination of every self-respecting planetarion player from now until ticks end.

The time has come, Ascendancy, for your comeuppance.

For we, Sirs, are the United Fleets.
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AD really has missed Kennys quality rambling.
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For we, Sirs, are the United Fleets.
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Re: United Fleets

So we shall welcome the united salvage.

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Re: United Fleets

Oh god. Not UF again.
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Re: United Fleets

Funny. Cause if we dont launch anything by the logic of incs today you wont launch much either?

HEY GUYS LETS SIT ON OUR ROIDS.
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hey the only dude you've fc'ed so far is a long long long term vision player...
I think that says enough
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As much as you'll miss your fleet?

@Kenny: The most laughable thing is, if you guys could play Planetarion at all you could still win. It would be tough, our value lead is beyond insane, but it could be done. Instead you sit around believing that if you knock a million off us here or there it will make a difference when even the most basic cost:benefit analysis (we call this common sense) would show that it won't. We outgrow you by more than that every single day and you guys are doing nothing to stop this, the main obstacle to your own victory.
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Re: United Fleets

Two rounds ago, I stood before you and told you our story— of the union between a group of players who weren’t necessarily well off or well-known, but shared a belief that in Planetarion, anyone could achieve whatever he put his mind to.

It is that promise that has always set this game apart — that through hard work and sacrifice, each of us can pursue our individual dreams but still come together as one Ascendancy family, to ensure that the next generation can pursue their dreams as well.

That’s why I stand here tonight. Because for 12 rounds, at each moment when that promise was in jeopardy, ordinary men and women — students and soldiers, farmers and teachers, programmers and engineers — found the courage to keep it alive.

We meet at one of those defining moments — a moment when our alliance is at war, our game is in turmoil, and the Ascendancy promise has been threatened once more.

Tonight, more players are out of ships and more are working harder for less. More of you have lost your roids and even more are watching your fleet values plummet. More of you have cars you can’t afford to drive, credit card bills you can’t afford to pay, and tuition that’s beyond your reach.

These challenges are not all of Ascendancy’s making. But the failure to respond is a direct result of a broken politics in Planetarion and the failed policies of your own leaders.

Planetarion, we are better than these last eight years. We are a better game than this.

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As much as you'll miss your fleet?
You actually think if I cared about my fleet I would have crashed? lol
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People need look no further than Venox's statement to understand why we are winning. GREAT LEADERSHIP DUDE. WAY TO GO.
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People need look no further than Venox's statement to understand why we are winning. GREAT LEADERSHIP DUDE. WAY TO GO.
I'm meant to be leading something?
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You've apparently missed something, Achilles.
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I think one of your ascendancy "friends" said it best Achilles "everyone needs a token retard".
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Awww, people aren't being mean about me on the internet are they? :sadface: I hope I'll be ok, I suppose I might recover some self-esteem with time and compassionate care.

You'll still be a ****ing idiot though, doubly so if you can't see why your example affects others. But I doubt you will, you've never displayed anything but appalling ignorance of this game (and of decent behaviour in general) on these forums.
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Or come a tick late on fc? :P
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Or come a tick late on fc? :P
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I'm aware mz.... Bit hard not to be when several of their better players have been with us for quite a few ticks now. I don't see the fact that Venox's alliance has already collapsed this round (under his "leadership") as detracting from my point in any way though. If people didn't look up to him in some way they surely would never have played for/with him at all, much less for 3 rounds. Leadership is not something you can pick up and put down when it suits you. Either you are an example to follow, like JBG say, or you are a loser, like Venox.

If he didn't care about his fleet why play at all? (Because he only wants to play if he can win?) Also, if he wants us to lose why donate us even more free value? (Because he did care and is just a liar?)
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You'll still be a ****ing idiot though, doubly so if you can't see why your example affects others. But I doubt you will, you've never displayed anything but appalling ignorance of this game (and of decent behaviour in general) on these forums.
Awww resorting to insults because you were made to look like an idiot, thats sad. Well at least I have the respect of people that have played with/under me and those who's opinions I actually care about. You mean dick to me, and apparently, to most others in this game. If "appaling ignorance of this game" means I managed to HC a #2 and #1 ally in my only 2 attempts, I'll take that thanks.

Your point is invalidated by the fact I'm not "leading" anything, which makes my not caring, irrelevant. When I was HC'ing, i did care, not enough to do ND/CT's job for them however.
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I'm aware mz.... Bit hard not to be when several of their better players have been with us for quite a few ticks now. I don't see the fact that Venox's alliance has already collapsed this round (under his "leadership") as detracting from my point in any way though. If people didn't look up to him in some way they surely would never have played for/with him at all, much less for 3 rounds.
CareBears didnt "collapse", the HC decided it wasnt worth playing anymore and told people they can leave. A collapse would be everyone leaving before we took the decission to stop playing. Facts right please.

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Leadership is not something you can pick up and put down when it suits you. Either you are an example to follow, like JBG say, or you are a loser, like Venox.
You have never played under my leadership, again, your opinion on the matter means nothing to me. Anyone who has played under me would never doubt my commitment to the alliance, or to my members and my knowledge of PA in general. I lead by example, WHEN I AM LEADING. I'd say 90% of players who have played under me would HAPPILY do so again, if I'm a loser, then as you say, why would these people carry on playing for me for ~3 rounds and be willing to do so again in the future.

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If he didn't care about his fleet why play at all? (Because he only wants to play if he can win?) Also, if he wants us to lose why donate us even more free value? (Because he did care and is just a liar?)
I did care, then i stopped caring. Whats hard to understand about that. Killing my fleet when I've stopped playing is hardly the achievement you make it out to be and as I've said before, I like ascendancy and they are deserving victors this round, if I was going to donate anyone salvage (fyi i didnt even know who i was attacking, i just launched where my friend asked) then I would chose to donate it to ascendancy.
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Errr, you called me a retard in the previous post... Now, you're entitled to your opinion, as indeed my "Asc friend" is, as am I. Mine is that you are an idiot. If you find this insulting (on the internet no less) then you really are a failbear of the highest order.

To examine your awesome career more closely, you struggled to just about rise above the mediocrity of the alliances around you to scrape to victory at the second time of asking, having been beaten the previous round by a 2/3 sized alliance who so very nearly beat you again when it was even smaller. To do it you had to enlist the help of other alliances because on your own you would have been crushed. You're proud of that? Seriously? 'Heh' is the only expression that comes to mind.

edit for VenoX's double post: I'll say it again dude, either you're an example to follow or you aren't. Either you are really a leader or you aren't. Presumably you cared at the start of this round, but Failbears still collapsed, regardless of the spin you want to put on that. Also, members were jumping off the ship long before you officially decided to wind it down.

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i'd happily play under VenoX again, hes a model leader, good player, not selfish (hello CT), good with attacking (hello ND), and generally a nice guy.

Ofcourse his political skills have a little to be desired, but he can't be AMAZING at everything!!!

Assassins it is quite obvious u respect him as a player otherwise you wouldn't have boasted the fact u wiped him, or did whatever u did. Congrats on the accomplishment of killing some1 who doesnt give two shits about this round.

Lastly call CareBears shite or whatever u like, but by the name, it was quite obvious it wasn't #1 priority, just a few people coming together to have a round off, little did we know how much of a break xVx HC were having, Punther for example speaking 300 lines in about 3weeks of being in CareBears, and he was our DC HC.

So flame all u want, but u can't dent some1s reputation when his alliance was clearly more active, more loyal, more caring, more dedicated and generally just better than the others for the last 2 rounds, bar the slip up in r26 (congrats Asc)

and before you say nething, my tongue will forever be permenantly up VenoX's ass, and my middle finger will permenantly be pointing towards you!
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Errr, you called me a retard in the previous post... Now, you're entitled to your opinion, as indeed my "Asc friend" is, as am I.
I didnt call you a retard, your ascendancy friend did, I was quoting them, but if the shoe fits.

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To examine your awesome career more closely, you struggled to just about rise above the mediocrity of the alliances around you to scrape to victory at the second time of asking, having been beaten the previous round by a 2/3 sized alliance who so very nearly beat you again when it was even smaller. To do it you had to enlist the help of other alliances because on your own you would have been crushed. You're proud of that? Seriously? 'Heh' is the only expression that comes to mind.
Denial lead from the front of both rounds it played. It out roided everyone and had significant leads come mid round of both rounds we played. We were roided down eventually by multiple allies (ND/jenova/tof/Asc and then ND/ASC/CT/ROCK/VGN/XVX), we never had help, either round, unless you include our nap with NoX in our first round. No alliance in either round would have beaten us 1 vs 1, you know it, everyone else in PA knows it, stop your bullshit.

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edit for VenoX's double post: I'll say it again dude, either you're an example to follow or you aren't. Either you are really a leader or you aren't.
Clearly the people who are entitled to an opinion about my leadership skills believe that I am an example to follow and a somewhat decent leader, I won't believe otherwise until someone who has played under me comes out and says so (its been 3 rounds and no one has!).

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Presumably you cared at the start of this round, but Failbears still collapsed, regardless of the spin you want to put on that. Also, members were jumping off the ship long before you officially decided to wind it down.
No, members were not jumping off the ship, I wouldn't call the ex-xVx characters who joined together (and only played together), members of CareBears. They left/were kicked, in the group they had only ever intended to play in, no one else left after that and we could have happily continued playing (for 4th place!!) but it just wasnt fun and this is a game afterall.
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To examine your awesome career more closely, you struggled to just about rise above the mediocrity of the alliances around you to scrape to victory at the second time of asking, having been beaten the previous round by a 2/3 sized alliance who so very nearly beat you again when it was even smaller. To do it you had to enlist the help of other alliances because on your own you would have been crushed. You're proud of that? Seriously? 'Heh' is the only expression that comes to mind.
Please take your blinkers off, i think your forgetting the fact many HC decided to attack Denial because "they were running away with it". At about tick 400 or so. Secondly ur telling me Asc had 35membersish for r27? if ur saying that they had 50 for r26. Last rnd was a deserving victory, and only morons think otherwise? are u a moron?
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I think one of your ascendancy "friends" said it best Achilles "everyone needs a token retard".
I might be retarded but even I know that if support an opinion publicly it is assumed to be your own. Also, it's more than a little bitchy, not to mention childish, to start with the "LOL your friend mocked you behind your back LOL" routine. What sex and age are you exactly?

At least when I express an opinion I'm not scared to stand by it as my own.

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A mixture of lies and convenient half truths topped off with a ridiculously pointless and unprovable statement. What I'll stop is wasting my time arguing this particular point with you.

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No, members were not jumping off the ship, I wouldn't call the ex-xVx characters who joined together (and only played together), members of CareBears. They left/were kicked, in the group they had only ever intended to play in, no one else left after that and we could have happily continued playing (for 4th place!!) but it just wasnt fun and this is a game afterall.
Who let the xVx members in exactly? I suppose that's not your fault either? Also, you just proved my statement that you are only capable of leading from the front. And it's still my opinion that you do that badly. Not as badly as some, I'll give you that, little as it is.
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Achilles, as much as I like your usual posts you appear to have dropped the ball here.

You, having never been a member of an alliance with/under VenoX, have no real knowledge about how he runs alliances, his leadership abilities, his amount of dedication and commitment, ...

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I think this is the general feeling with most people that played for VenoX in Denial.
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A model leader eh, what is that argument based on?
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http://game.planetarion.com/show_news.pl?id=3424

A good start to this United Fleets thing then....
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A model leader eh, what is that argument based on?
That arguement on my behalf is based on the enormous amounts of leaders I've played under like what, the last 18 rounds or so?

Only ones that were on the same level as venox were the eXi hc's the round I played for them.
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It's smart to ground fleets for FC's, at least when you've got such good MO's planning and calcing them !







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FC is stupid, has been for rounds... People keep holding on to old play styles and trying to force them to work now. When was the last time a FC actually mattered? Maybe when your trying to stop one person from getting the #1 spot, but for alliances? You are wasting your fleets...
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FC is stupid, has been for rounds... People keep holding on to old play styles and trying to force them to work now. When was the last time a FC actually mattered? Maybe when your trying to stop one person from getting the #1 spot, but for alliances? You are wasting your fleets...
I'd really have to agree with this. Maybe something spontaneous if you have fleets spare but grounding fleets for fleetcatching just isn't a profitable move scorewise.
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Fleetcatching is a valid tactic if you use it right! No i dont bother to explain when and why as its something you should find out yourself if ur so curious

The way Denial was forced to play last round though gave no room for any FCs and we would have been stupid to even try using that tactic.
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Fleetcatching is a valid tactic if you use it right! No i dont bother to explain when and why as its something you should find out yourself if ur so curious

The way Denial was forced to play last round though gave no room for any FCs and we would have been stupid to even try using that tactic.
Yeah the right way to use it is as an additional facet to your war effort. If you have fleets spare by all means use them. Doing otherwise would be unproductive.
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clearleh we will whoop ascendancy!!








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wow Villeh!!!

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shuuush, I was using reverse psychology to make them think we had given up on the hopeless task ahead...

and now you totally blew it...

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CareBears didnt "collapse", the HC decided it wasnt worth playing anymore and told people they can leave. A collapse would be everyone leaving before we took the decission to stop playing. Facts right please.
It's a bit of a controlled demolition, but even those result in collapse.
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Denial lead from the front of both rounds it played. It out roided everyone and had significant leads come mid round of both rounds we played. We were roided down eventually by multiple allies (ND/jenova/tof/Asc and then ND/ASC/CT/ROCK/VGN/XVX), we never had help, either round, unless you include our nap with NoX in our first round. No alliance in either round would have beaten us 1 vs 1, you know it, everyone else in PA knows it, stop your bullshit.
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<+[Denial]Mystic> id like to thank Orbit(drinker/cervantes), ASS(csillag), Redemption(Sebos/Rext/Badd), ToF(Deamon/snuffy/Xillver), xVx (Punther/Nicole)
<+[Denial]VenoX> we didnt have much of a choice

I just copied this out of last round EoRC.

Didn't have any help ?
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Yes they took some gals for us a few nights in the last week or 2 of the round. Redemption once. ASS once. ToF once. xVx on the very last night of the round hit a gal with 2 CT in it even tho we asked every night for 3 weeks. Orbit were slightly more helpful than the others. But yes! Our block was somewhat formidable!

EDIT: Its actually amazing to think that these people with access to tools and such cant even figure out who's actually attacking with who/blocked etc, I mean, we notice one night if we get heavy incoming from someone, 2 nights in a row and its obvious your working together, so to actually have to take your evidence from something like EORC instead of actual figures is quite ridiculous. Surely you saw how little incoming/etc you actually got from those alliances listed and didnt even realise we were targetting together that night?
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I would think his point was more to use your (Denial's) own words to disprove what you'd said above. But myself, yourself and Sprit have probably derailed this thread enough without continuing the trend. This should be about United Salv...er Fleets, if we want to bicker over historical events there are many threads more suited to it than this one.

On topic, has UF failed before it even launched a fleet? Because they certainly didn't come in our direction :/
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