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Unread 13 Jul 2010, 17:52   #1
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Congratz NewDawn

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dont say that yet!

we are emolution, some will quit the tag before its all over

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Re: Congratz NewDawn

we havent won yet this is still ND crashers central and 3 more nights of heavy 3 on 1 inc to go

ofc as head of NewDawn defense i have to say we are doing well at holding them back for now
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Re: Congratz NewDawn

YOu have had incs?
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congratz on napping to win the round
The fact that your alliance played politics too poorly to put itself in a position where it could've been in the fight for a round win with 3 days remaining doesn't in any way make New Dawns victory any less a victory.
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congratz on napping to win the round
App has (tried to) work with pretty much all the same alliances ND has.

But whatever you need to tell yourself to feel better about the round. And last round.
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YOu have had incs?
Sure has been a good few crashes on the attacking side.

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And what makes it so funny is that ND only has 2 active NAPs
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Re: Congratz NewDawn

I'm glad no one is bitter. It's truly heartwarming.

Grats ND.
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Re: Congratz NewDawn

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And what makes it so funny is that ND only has 2 active NAPs
Thats like walking over the finishline in a marathon saying "I was only carried 41,8KM"
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Not my problem that Apprime's political strategy is at best been flawed
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Re: Congratz NewDawn

Apprime played another absolutely horrible round politically, anyone from app saying otherwise has obviously not paid attention at all.

Congrats to New Dawn. Doesn't really matter how they did it, just that they did. Well played.
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Re: Congratz NewDawn

Apprime's only political success this round was convincing evolution and osiris to hit ascendancy, which, considering the point we were at, is a bit like convincing a bear to shit in the woods.
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Apprime's only political success this round was convincing evolution and osiris to hit ascendancy, which, considering the point we were at, is a bit like convincing a bear to shit in the woods.
But what if I'm a polish soldier-bear and I'd rather use the latrines like all the other soldiers?
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Re: Congratz NewDawn

An opportunity presented itself to win by politics and ND took it, can't see how anyone is complaining.
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Re: Congratz NewDawn

at least it made a change from standard round of blocks
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with 68 ticks to go, we still have a long way. /bow
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Well done NewDawn, good politics, good defence, and good activity when attacking.

Good job
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Yes, good roiding of the lower alliances
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??? I cannot see how this truely applys to ND?
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Re: Congratz NewDawn

ND should have wrapped this up long long ago given their immense roid lead that they have had almost all round and that everyone is rather more bothered about the chance of an app or asc win.

All in all well done ND, you made good use of your political advantages. Make better use of your numbers next round and you should be able to win again!
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Lol hilarious Napping every ally so u cant be hit= good win?????????? Cant believe what im reading here, Now if ND had won by 40mill plus then yes maybe but the fact is they had no incoming all round and only struggled to win 1st place a win is a win but this is far from convincing.
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Lol hilarious Napping every ally so u cant be hit= good win?????????? Cant believe what im reading here, Now if ND had won by 40mill plus then yes maybe but the fact is they had no incoming all round and only struggled to win 1st place a win is a win but this is far from convincing.
So they should have gone out of their way to get incs? ND is not to blame for not getting incs, everyone else is.
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ND is not to blame for not getting incs, everyone else is.
! The other allies were too busy pinning eachother down while thinking "We can always take down nd later on". That was FAIL, like it has been in previous rounds when ND won. I think it's about time we pay some credit to ND and actually accept we cant knock off 25 mill score from them in a week while still fighiting eachother. ND are better than we all think it is.
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Re: Congratz NewDawn

win is a win, grats ND..

however its a bit silly that war game is won by ally that has avoided incs whole round, atm i would rather even see apprime win over em due to em being at least in war most of the round
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Re: Congratz NewDawn

PA is not a war game. Wars are fought in PA, and sometimes (but only sometimes) an alliance can win through warfare alone. However, the fact that NewDawn has won this round (and others), despite the fact that most of us believe that they were and are not the strongest alliance militarily, is not so much a strange or silly as it is evidence of the truth of my earlier statement. PA is not a war game.
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NAP's are two-sided and are not fixed length. Why should ND be to blame for winning?
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Lol hilarious Napping every ally so u cant be hit= good win?????????? Cant believe what im reading here, Now if ND had won by 40mill plus then yes maybe but the fact is they had no incoming all round and only struggled to win 1st place a win is a win but this is far from convincing.
It's not dominant in the sense that some wins have been but it's a win regardless. The entire point of having a political aspect to the game is so that it's not just pure military efficiency. If you want it to be about that then you're playing the wrong game.
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Re: Congratz NewDawn

sooo.. pa is not a wargame.. erm imo it is, u got ure planet, ure fleets and u do attack ure enemies and defend your planet and ure mates in same alliance against those enemies.. if i wanted to play nething else than a wargame i would play farmville and grow some carrots or what so ever.. politics have a great influence in this game, as do they have in real life and i understand that.. just that i wanted to point out that this game of planetarion still in my eyes is ought to be a wargame and that still i do not think alliance that has avoided incs whole round should win such contest.. thats only my opinion and i was kinda thinking that its ok to say it out if i wanted

PS: it was even on topic as i also congratulated ND for the win :P
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sooo.. pa is not a wargame.. erm imo it is, u got ure planet, ure fleets and u do attack ure enemies and defend your planet and ure mates in same alliance against those enemies..
The parts I've highlighted in your post are all determined by political or diplomatic action, whether on your part or on those you choose to lead you (also a political action). While you may look at it as a war game, your actions within it are led by politics.

That's not to say you're not allowed to dislike the method a group or indiviual uses to achieve victory, but to claim it somehow means they shouldn't have won (as some have) is absurd.
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still i do not think alliance that has avoided incs whole round should win such contest..
Then you should've made your alliance prevent it. The fact that you didn't is implicit consent.

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thats only my opinion and i was kinda thinking that its ok to say it out if i wanted
Of course it is. This is a forum, that's what it's here for. I am allowed to disagree with you, though.
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Re: Congratz NewDawn

any alliance ending #1, deserves the win

no matter if you like how they managed it, no matter if its the failure of the other contenders

end of tick they have the most counted score and therefore are the deserved winners


regarding if PA was a war game i disagree
its more a game of avoiding war, sadly

remove salvage!
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Jbg i agree with what your saying about politics, However i am disappointed with every alliance in pa allowing nd to stay napped to everyone, till this week when someone had to step in and drag allies out from that nap. To little to late 2 more nights of attacking, unless some serious damage is done to them they have there win through nubroiding and sleeping there way to victory
I don't blame nd for napping to win but please don't shout about how great a victory it is.
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Nubroiding? we roided App basically the entire damn round... we took off maybe 7 nights TOPS attacking shitty allies and that was to maintain neutrality between flopping blocks and build up our roid lead on the side.

Firebird, at the end of the day... shut the **** up already. Your ally was outplayed beyond the military facet... just because its NewDawn you don't need to start barking up our tree for having the WINNING strategy for the round.
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Nubroiding? we roided App basically the entire damn round... we took off maybe 7 nights TOPS attacking shitty allies and that was to maintain neutrality between flopping blocks and build up our roid lead on the side.

Firebird, at the end of the day... shut the **** up already. Your ally was outplayed beyond the military facet... just because its NewDawn you don't need to start barking up our tree for having the WINNING strategy for the round.
ND incoming on a nightly basis, with some of our planets having up to 8 waves.
so don't start with saying you took on apprime, ****ing idiot.

You guys did nothing all round then hit every alliance below #6
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Yet again with all these "naps." Why is it that ND is the one that faces ridicule over napping anyone when clearly, everyone was doing it? Evo is still napped with Osiris, and CT, and working with APP and ODDR and other allies to bring us down. Everyone is doing it. In the other thread, our situation was clearly stated. ND would have to make major political moves and not crash to win.

Personally I played the game to get ND the win, by whatever route I saw appropriate. Complain to your fellow HC's for allowing ND to nap with them in the first place. It takes two to tango, I just don't send out a nap request and it automatically be placed.

With that said, look at the state PA is in. We are a top 3 alliance, every round. We have been here since the beginning. We must do something right to have 10 years strong under our belts and still be a contender to win.

In the end, no matter what happens, we can say we played the round well and didn't screw over anyone. Thats all that matters to me.
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lol you are delirious, half our playerbase is on vacation, although we have been asked to join in raids, we don't have the players for it anymore
so we are not bothering with hitting nd.
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lol you are delirious, half our playerbase is on vacation, although we have been asked to join in raids, we don't have the players for it anymore
so we are not bothering with hitting nd.
umm that wasnt directed to you, playerbase as in the 1500 people that still play this game.
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Now abort take lesson in what Digital has written there rather than a torrent of abuse.
Digital about speaking with Hc's about napping with you guys and letting you coast to the win, That is why i did something about it all be it to late but some incoming on you lot to actually make it look like you had some sort of challenge maybe it's just my mindset but for someone to win you have to fight for it not avoid incoming.
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umm that wasnt directed to you, playerbase as in the 1500 people that still play this game.
then don't mention oddr, and no as in oddr playerbase.
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ND incoming on a nightly basis, with some of our planets having up to 8 waves.
so don't start with saying you took on apprime, ****ing idiot.

You guys did nothing all round then hit every alliance below #6
Quite early in the round we started working together with Asc and App to hit Evo, and also targeted Osiris a bit. After about 2 weeks of mostly targeting Evo, App's actions forced us to flip over to the other side, after which we targeted Apprime.

The last few hundred ticks I'm a bit less informed about, LordN did more raids at that point than I did, but we did very little noobroiding during the first 2/3rds of the round. I can state this with some confidence, as not only did I run nearly every single raid early round, we've also got every raid of the round logged.

Also, you do realize we've got 100+ attackfleets out on an average night? Even without conscious targeting, if you've blocked gals which included hostiles, you were going to be hit all the same.

My guess is you're seeing a few random fleets and assuming that's us targeting you. Rest assured, it's not.
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8 waves isn't quite random, if you really wanted to fight other top 6 alliances you would have concentrated on them more.
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sooo.. pa is not a wargame.. erm imo it is, u got ure planet, ure fleets and u do attack ure enemies and defend your planet and ure mates in same alliance against those enemies.. if i wanted to play nething else than a wargame i would play farmville and grow some carrots or what so ever.. politics have a great influence in this game, as do they have in real life and i understand that.. just that i wanted to point out that this game of planetarion still in my eyes is ought to be a wargame and that still i do not think alliance that has avoided incs whole round should win such contest.. thats only my opinion and i was kinda thinking that its ok to say it out if i wanted

PS: it was even on topic as i also congratulated ND for the win :P
We need to stop this whole a war game doesn't involve politics drivel. It ****ing does. ****ing wars involve politics. It's exactly how things work in real life.


PS Heimdall, ND have a galaxy put up for their smaller planets every night, I'd imagine that's where you saw a lot of incs from. From attacking with ND for a lot of the round I know they did hit the targets that we agreed on. They just also hit others. Makes sense, for most of the round they had 30 more players than us.


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Jbg i agree with what your saying about politics, However i am disappointed with every alliance in pa allowing nd to stay napped to everyone, till this week when someone had to step in and drag allies out from that nap. To little to late 2 more nights of attacking, unless some serious damage is done to them they have there win through nubroiding and sleeping there way to victory
Personally I supported us working with ND because I expected them to be honest with us in their dealings. The only reason I supported us working with apprime was because we had to align with someone to knock evo off the top spot early on and the natural way to do it was with ND and apprime. That and the fact it was golan doing almost all the work and he wanted to work with you guys.
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Re: Congratz NewDawn

Top attackers on alliance ODDR are (total: 337) Exiiition - 130 | Evolution - 43 | Apprime - 35 | Osiris - 30 | ASS - 13 | Howling Rain - 13 | Newdawn - 12 | Conspiracy - 10 | Gross - 8 | P3Nguins - 8

Caveat: this list is composed from JGP scans, which explains why we're so high up that list compared to others; obviously most of our JGPs are on our own targets, not on those of other alliances.

This also means that we probably miss a lot of incoming fleets, you undoubtedly had more incs than those 337.

However, these numbers can be used as an indicator, and the fact that NewDawn has contributed flewer fleets to the list than other alliances indicates that you're wrong.

And have this for some perspective:

Top attackers on alliance Apprime are (total: 1305) Osiris - 375 | Exiiition - 327 | Conspiracy - 154 | Newdawn - 127 | Evolution - 115 | P3Nguins - 30 | Oddr - 22 | Howling Rain - 20 | DLR - 19 | Gross - 17

Top attackers on alliance Osiris are (total: 982) Exiiition - 529 | Apprime - 202 | Newdawn - 53 | Conspiracy - 46 | Subh - 37 | Evolution - 23 | P3Nguins - 23 | Howling Rain - 16 | DLR - 11 | HEX - 6

Top attackers on alliance Evolution are (total: 927) Exiiition - 581 | Newdawn - 86 | Apprime - 74 | P3Nguins - 33 | Subh - 29 | Osiris - 26 | Howling Rain - 25 | Conspiracy - 15 | Oddr - 9 | DLR - 7

Top attackers on alliance NewDawn are (total: 550) Evolution - 116 | Apprime - 108 | Osiris - 75 | Exiiition - 63 | Subh - 38 | Conspiracy - 32 | P3Nguins - 20 | Howling Rain - 12 | Gross - 10 | HEX - 10

Top attackers on alliance eXiIition are (total: 2017) Evolution - 643 | Osiris - 551 | Apprime - 336 | Howling Rain - 66 | P3Nguins - 62 | Conspiracy - 59 | Subh - 40 | Gross - 36 | Newdawn - 29 | Exiiition - 24
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