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Unread 28 Feb 2009, 14:33   #101
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So my point that Hitler and Gandhi weren't comparable you're countering by pointing out they're not comparable?
I pointed out that to some they might be comparable, while I dont agree with it since gandhi was a ****.

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Well, you could use your bot and count the number of incs from rock you've had.
the bot says that we have had more incs from xvx and rock than from ND / DLR. And almost as much from them as we had from CT. The bot is incorrect though, and also it was only a few nights they attacked us. Them taking others in omen gals while u take the omens was the most common thing though.

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Okay, say the extra 20 were your out of tag members or the people who attacked with you every night from vgn. I'm sure CT had a couple of extra members at that stage as well so we're not really going to be that far off 230 and certainly not lower than 210.
since I m guessing u didnt calculate your scanners and inactive ****s with a planet, I m guessing its closer to 210 than 230. 20 out of tag members? I wish :/ Anyway it was 260 to begin with at this thread wasnt it? Now we both agree that was far from the case. We are making progress lad.

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CT are capable of gal raiding though and at the start that's pretty much what we had. And yeah, at the start you were winning. And no, we never got others to attack you, CT asked us.
Agreed, problem was they only attacked asc gals a couple of nights. Who asked who CT or ASC, I dont know so I ll take ur word for that, not that it changes anything
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What do you mean by CT "dropped out"? Also regardless if vgn were targetting ascendancy in co-operation with omen or not the fact remains that the overall effect can be somewhat similar.
They decided that asc gals werent fat enough for them anymore, and went on to roid other gals. this happened after 2-3 nights of attacking ur gals. After that it was only Omen.

VGN werent targettign asc at all at that stage, so I cant see how the overall effect can be similar.
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Wish why you comparing incs from xvx/rock to nd/dlr?
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I pointed out that to some they might be comparable, while I dont agree with it since gandhi was a ****.
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the bot says that we have had more incs from xvx and rock than from ND / DLR. And almost as much from them as we had from CT. The bot is incorrect though, and also it was only a few nights they attacked us. Them taking others in omen gals while u take the omens was the most common thing though.
Considering that's happened 3 times I think we're getting a little excited here.

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since I m guessing u didnt calculate your scanners and inactive ****s with a planet, I m guessing its closer to 210 than 230. 20 out of tag members? I wish :/ Anyway it was 260 to begin with at this thread wasnt it? Now we both agree that was far from the case. We are making progress lad.
I included everyone. I just went through our tag to count up planets that have played with ascendancy from PT 0 and I'm on 64 (and all our scanners are intag, we only had like 4). Make of that what you will. And no, it wasn't 260 at the start of this thread, nobody mentioned 260 until you did just there. 230 I'm fairly confident on. At least 100 from CT, 100 in omen tag, 10 from factory, 10 out of tag (and can we please not deny this wish, we all saw planets kicked from tag and replaced the same tick), 10 in other tags (I remember asking heartless to talk to vgn about certain planets in the vgn tag who were always in omen raids, I'm sure heartless has the log still).

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VGN werent targettign asc at all at that stage, so I cant see how the overall effect can be similar.
I'm not saying they were, I don't really remember the start that well. But if VGN hc say it then I'm assuming there's some truth in it.
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I included everyone. I just went through our tag to count up planets that have played with ascendancy from PT 0 and I'm on 64 (and all our scanners are intag, we only had like 4). Make of that what you will. And no, it wasn't 260 at the start of this thread, nobody mentioned 260 until you did just there. 230 I'm fairly confident on. At least 100 from CT, 100 in omen tag, 10 from factory, 10 out of tag (and can we please not deny this wish, we all saw planets kicked from tag and replaced the same tick), 10 in other tags (I remember asking heartless to talk to vgn about certain planets in the vgn tag who were always in omen raids, I'm sure heartless has the log still).

I'm not saying they were, I don't really remember the start that well. But if VGN hc say it then I'm assuming there's some truth in it.
I recruited quite a few players the first ticks of the round actually. so at the start of the round, pt0, we didnt have more than around100. - not that is V relevant since we didnt attack at this stage, but if u are counting from pt0, then so can I!

If VGN attacked asc at this stage, it was without us knowing about it, and never on the same gals. i find this to be V unlikely.
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I recruited quite a few players the first ticks of the round actually. so at the start of the round, pt0, we didnt have more than around100. - not that is V relevant since we didnt attack at this stage, but if u are counting from pt0, then so can I!

If VGN attacked asc at this stage, it was without us knowing about it, and never on the same gals. i find this to be V unlikely.
PT 72 we were much the same. Recruitment for us didn't really take off until much later, pt 200 or so and onwards.

We could ask them, anyone from VGN reading this thread?
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PT 72 we were much the same. Recruitment for us didn't really take off until much later, pt 200 or so and onwards.

We could ask them, anyone from VGN reading this thread?
hmm ok. iirc I had like 65-70 asc coords at pt85 or so.
and I know not all had added their shit to munin yet at that time...

I can point a vgn hc towards the thread and answer I spose.
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anyone from VGN reading this thread?
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hmm ok. iirc I had like 65-70 asc coords at pt85 or so.
and I know not all had added their shit to munin yet at that time...
I had a think there and there's 2 players who are now in different tags, game and caj, and 3 who have quit, kileman, rob and I recall one more but I can't remember who.

In all fairness I'm greatly enjoying this round though. Regardless of who outnumbered who at what point etc it's been good fun and I'd gladly invite you all back to ascendancy next round when we go for four in a row!
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Yes.

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That's what we're here for. Care to comment on anything said?
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I can point a vgn hc towards the thread and answer I spose.
I much prefer the answers that have already been posted. They're far more interesting than any that I could contribute.
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I much prefer the answers that have already been posted. They're far more interesting than any that I could contribute.
Never let it be said that refusing to discuss alliance politics like a reasonable human being ever made you not look like like a secretive, elitist dick.

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That's what we're here for. Care to comment on anything said?
Not in any great detail.

Although I will confirm that assisting (by action or inaction) Asc to win a third round on the trot has never been on our agenda this round.
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Never let it be said that refusing to discuss alliance politics like a reasonable human being ever made you not look like like a secretive, elitist dick.
Surely you're not suggesting that those discussing alliance politics are "reasonable human beings".
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Not in any great detail.

Although I will confirm that assisting (by action or inaction) Asc to win a third round on the trot has never been on our agenda this round.
Well, you can go and be more precise or I can go and link that log (and I guess green_cat is going to hate me for that). Nobody's got to lose anything here, we're just trying to give people a more correct picture than displayed by Wishmaster's mainly senseless bickering.
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In this thread, you are giving me the impression that you are amazingly angry.

What's up with all the hate, anyway?
I dont hate Asc, i just dont find them special. What have i said in this thread thats full of hate?

that Asc beat denial last round via a block? and that CT learnt how to block from JBG? It seems that if you're not constantly praising Asc, its deemed that you hate them?

The only alliance i dislike in PA is CT, as they never actually do anything nor do they ever earn the rank they achieve. Its that reason that this round i'd prefer Asc to win the round (If Omen doesnt).
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I had a think there and there's 2 players who are now in different tags, game and caj, and 3 who have quit, kileman, rob and I recall one more but I can't remember who.

In all fairness I'm greatly enjoying this round though. Regardless of who outnumbered who at what point etc it's been good fun and I'd gladly invite you all back to ascendancy next round when we go for four in a row!
we have had our share of emoquitters also. Best one was RockLobster guy which said there was too much racism for him in Omen, and then goes on to join Asc, probably the only other alliance in pa with more e-racism!

Other than that, well, I spose I am enjoying it somewhat, though my rl is suffering
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Everyone knows Asc is strong, everyone knows Asc aims to win (obviously with the amount of ego's in Asc at the moment). The only thing thats changed is everyone's aware of how crap Asc is.
Interesting contradiction right there.....
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we have had our share of emoquitters also. Best one was RockLobster guy which said there was too much racism for him in Omen, and then goes on to join Asc, probably the only other alliance in pa with more e-racism!

Other than that, well, I spose I am enjoying it somewhat, though my rl is suffering
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Re: Because of the long round!!

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that Asc beat denial last round via a block?
No, we didn't. There was a block of us, ND and jenova who hit denial for a good length of time. At about the same point at which ascendancy drew close to denial ND dropped out of hitting denial. Nothing happened for a little while until we hit first at which point we got hit by ND/denial/rock/vgn. About two days after this we agreed a nap with ct until the end of the round. About two days after this reese pmed me to say denial no longer had any interest in fighting ascendancy. To deny that ascendancy benefitted politically from last round is idiotic. To state that ascendancy beat denial via a block is probably even worse.

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Not only have most of ascendancy's political relations over the last few rounds not been carried out by me but CT are an alliance that have been around almost as much as ascendancy and whose HC I doubt need any political lessons from someone who was literally never involved in alliance politics up until a few rounds ago.


PS Fuzzy has pmed me to remind me that it was actually audentes last round, not jenova!
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Has no-one learned that Light just generally takes the viewpoint that best mismatches everyone else's?
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No, we didn't. There was a block of us, ND and jenova who hit denial for a good length of time. At about the same point at which ascendancy drew close to denial ND dropped out of hitting denial. Nothing happened for a little while until we hit first at which point we got hit by ND/denial/rock/vgn. About two days after this we agreed a nap with ct until the end of the round. About two days after this reese pmed me to say denial no longer had any interest in fighting ascendancy. To deny that ascendancy benefitted politically from last round is idiotic. To state that ascendancy beat denial via a block is probably even worse.
So, let me get this straght? There was Asc + ND + Aud hitting Denial for a good length of time? but thats not a block at all..

Also, the block didnt stop hitting Denial when Asc drew close.. they stopped hitting Denial way too late and when Denial had slipped from 1st to 3-4th.

Then you distort the other facts, didnt VGN drop out of the attacks against Asc literally an hour before the first attack.. So all you got hit by was Rock (a badly beaten alliance), Denial (an alliance which had been hit all round and on the verge of collapse), and ND?.. Even then, those attacks didnt last very long.. They only lasted 2days (If that?).

So, You took out Denial with a block at the start of the round? and then napped your 2nd main competitors for the top spot.. yet, its stupid to say beat Denial due to a block?
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Re: Because of the long round!!

You should rename this thread.... "Because of the long round - we're going to talk about last round"
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So, let me get this straght? There was Asc + ND + Aud hitting Denial for a good length of time? but thats not a block at all..

Also, the block didnt stop hitting Denial when Asc drew close.. they stopped hitting Denial way too late and when Denial had slipped from 1st to 3-4th.

Then you distort the other facts, didnt VGN drop out of the attacks against Asc literally an hour before the first attack.. So all you got hit by was Rock (a badly beaten alliance), Denial (an alliance which had been hit all round and on the verge of collapse), and ND?.. Even then, those attacks didnt last very long.. They only lasted 2days (If that?).

So, You took out Denial with a block at the start of the round? and then napped your 2nd main competitors for the top spot.. yet, its stupid to say beat Denial due to a block?

I thought Denial lost last round because they were utter awful... politically and in general game play, crashes, inactivity, HC lowering morale...

Ascendancy made a fair few mistakes of crashes, bad play etc.. just seems Denial are/were totally incompetant.
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You should rename this thread.... "Because of the long round - we're going to talk about last round"
It's an interesting idea, but unfortunately an abuse of my mod powers.

But thanks for your helpful suggestion.
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Also, the block didnt stop hitting Denial when Asc drew close.. they stopped hitting Denial way too late and when Denial had slipped from 1st to 3-4th.
This is actually just completely untrue. We were not first when it stopped. I can remember talking to ND specifically saying why stop now when we were both so close.

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As I recall there were 4 alliances the first night, and 3 the next 3. After the fourth day reese pmed me to say denial were no longer interested in fighting us.

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It's stupid to boil the round down to that statement yes. And denial were in second place during/after our war. I'm not claiming any ****ing magic here, but your facts are just miles off. Feel free to ask your own HC as to how last round went if you find it hard to believe me.
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Less about denial, more about hating Omen/CT/ASC (choose one.)
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CT will obviously lose. We cannot withstand the power of propaganda, and our morale will drop to zero.

We will then kick and/or see all our top 5 planets leave (Henrik and Hiall), and will not recover from the blow.

We will then decide, in our immense hubris, that our lead makes us bulletproof, and we will fly our ships into the wall to prove the (obvious) Chuck Norris-like superiority of our very beings.

We will then attempt to fence the entire universe (as long as it is a top 7 or lower alliance, we won't want any higher than that!).

We will also ground every one of our fleets to give full out defense effort, because every knows defense will win this round.

Politically, we will call Wishmaster a big "Nancy Boy" and will earn his undying wrath. We will also erect a shrine to our new GOD, JBG, and pray to him for political guidance.

We will also pretend we care...we are just playing for "fun".

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Well, you can go and be more precise or I can go and link that log (and I guess green_cat is going to hate me for that).
I choose the second option - it sounds much more exciting.
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I choose the second option - it sounds much more exciting.
Too bad I don't log channels as my gal channel is where quite some more interesting things were said, but anyway, here you go with a log between gc and me. I guess VGN recruiting people because "omen has no space for them" speaks a lot for itself, especially when it's "like 15" of them.

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Then you distort the other facts, didnt VGN drop out of the attacks against Asc literally an hour before the first attack.. So all you got hit by was Rock (a badly beaten alliance), Denial (an alliance which had been hit all round and on the verge of collapse), and ND?.. Even then, those attacks didnt last very long.. They only lasted 2days (If that?).
you may not remember it but there was a reason why 3:7 was so worried that asc would spend all their time hitting us during the later part of the round, that was because we had 4 vgn, 3 rock, 1 ND and 1 Denial all of whom were very active in attacking ascendancy. Light, on the showing of our own gal vgn attacked asc as much if not more than denial and rock.

On the more general subject I would be inclined to say my view is omen and asc are pretty even, if either of them are given time off they can catch up, hence CT should continue doing as they have been doing and keep switching sides to prevent either reviving for long enough. If this does not happen asc will probably win (I think asc has higher moral than omen due to being decentralised and everyone having more responsibility).
Ofc the ultimate for CT would be to keep vgn/ND hitting asc and to go off and galraid themselves
and worst for ct would be if omen and asc decided that the best way to do things would be to knock ct down to third before heading on for round 3 between the two of them to decide on who comes 1st.

in short all three have a chance (if the war is 'hot' enough even ND may have a chance) given the current number of alliances on asc I would be inclined to say asc is not in the best of positions but then alliances seem to get bored of this kind of fight pretty quickly (the question is has last round taught them anything?). Plenty of time to go, asc tends to be good late round as they probably crash slightly less than the other alliances (omen will probably be pretty good late round too).
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Too bad I don't log channels as my gal channel is where quite some more interesting things were said, but anyway, here you go with a log between gc and me. I guess VGN recruiting people because "omen has no space for them" speaks a lot for itself, especially when it's "like 15" of them.

Right, now on to expect some heavy trout slapping on IRC
That's a bit disappointing - it only seems to reflect our position accurately - both at the time and now. Although our recruitment criteria are a little more demanding than that.
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Light, on the showing of our own gal vgn attacked asc as much if not more than denial and rock.
Finally! Someone who remembers it the way it actually happened.

Still, I shouldn't expect too much - ater all, this is a propaganda forum not a factual one.
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Re: Because of the long round!!

[20:07] <eksero> im surprised nd/vgn are still hitting asc with omen
[20:07] <eksero> after omen went nubroiding last night

actually, omen started hitting people who were not in a tag!

way to go, wagiging war!
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[20:07] <eksero> im surprised nd/vgn are still hitting asc with omen
[20:07] <eksero> after omen went nubroiding last night

actually, omen started hitting people who were not in a tag!

way to go, wagiging war!
I'm surprised you post on such a topic, given the fact you ran to get a planet nap to avoid incoming.
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ND and VGN have crashed horribly on asc this weekend though. personally they gave me 2 good combatreports and i ****ed over a million value singlehanded!

i might stop attacking if omen/ct keeps sending cannonfodder on us to boost our morale/value
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I'm surprised you post on such a topic, given the fact you ran to get a planet nap to avoid incoming.
I'm sorry man, but what exactly is the relationship between a p-napping spastic and an alliance that decides it's more profitable to galraid than launch on the targets they themselves had talked everyone else into hitting? Unless of course you were just trolling for the sake of looking stupid. If so, job done I guess.
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I'm sorry man, but what exactly is the relationship between a p-napping spastic and an alliance that decides it's more profitable to galraid than launch on the targets they themselves had talked everyone else into hitting? Unless of course you were just trolling for the sake of looking stupid. If so, job done I guess.
I just found it amusing that Theamion calls into question an alliances actions while being a underhand **** himself.
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Re: Because of the long round!!

Well at least he dropped the pnap and took all the waves Wishmaster put on him, instead of shipjumping at the first sign of trouble
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Well at least he dropped the pnap and took all the waves Wishmaster put on him, instead of shipjumping at the first sign of trouble
I feel you're not giving the Ministry group in Asc enough credit here.
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I pointed out that to some they might be comparable, while I dont agree with it since gandhi was a ****.
Now I remember why I could never take anything you said seriously you little troll you.. :P
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Re: Because of the long round!!

What do CT and a blind kid in an orogami class have in common?

Alll respect to CT here, i think theyre a great ally, and play the game extremely well, unfortunately i dont think theyre on the same level as another ally. So before the trolls begin, its just a joke.
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