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Unread 17 Dec 2008, 18:24   #101
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Re: So yeh enough of this Asc > *, but my alliance coulda been better if crap

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I see next round as somewhat like this one with the exception that the big enemy is going to be Ascendancy and not Denial, even if there isnt the same level of hate for Ascendancy as Denial, I hope (perhaps foolishly) that the alliances will be able to see that, as long as the core of Ascendancy is there, they can win unless taken out of the running very early.
The question is, which alliance will sacrifice themselves to take Ascendancy out of the running. As surely people must realise that if alliances make it impossible for Ascendancy to have a chance of winning, we'd also return the favour to another alliance.
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The question is, which alliance will sacrifice themselves to take Ascendancy out of the running. As surely people must realise that if alliances make it impossible for Ascendancy to have a chance of winning, we'd also return the favour to another alliance.
But with multiple alliances wanting to win its a sacrifice thats going to HAVE to be made if any of them want the chance, i hope people see that and arent just pussied out of it by posts like that.
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Unread 17 Dec 2008, 18:59   #103
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But with multiple alliances wanting to win its a sacrifice thats going to HAVE to be made if any of them want the chance, i hope people see that and arent just pussied out of it by posts like that.
Looks like CT are going to take it then.
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Unread 17 Dec 2008, 19:37   #104
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three in a row would be a decent achievement
it certainly would be , i dont think it has been achieved by any aly yet
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i hope people see that and arent just pussied out of it by posts like that.
Like Denial pussied out this round you mean?
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Unread 17 Dec 2008, 20:39   #106
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Unread 17 Dec 2008, 21:09   #107
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Unread 17 Dec 2008, 21:18   #108
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Unread 17 Dec 2008, 21:24   #109
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Re: So yeh enough of this Asc > *, but my alliance coulda been better if crap

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I see next round as somewhat like this one with the exception that the big enemy is going to be Ascendancy and not Denial, even if there isnt the same level of hate for Ascendancy as Denial, I hope (perhaps foolishly) that the alliances will be able to see that, as long as the core of Ascendancy is there, they can win unless taken out of the running very early.
The beginning of a round doesn't really have a significant effect on the final result.
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The beginning of a round doesn't really have a significant effect on the final result.
no, but some descent midround action on asc lets say after week 3 would have been great.
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Unread 18 Dec 2008, 09:02   #112
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The beginning of a round doesn't really have a significant effect on the final result.
Im saying that a concerted effort would have to be made early and be sustained to make sure they couldnt take the win, a bit how Denial was taken out this round after showing so much promise pre-round.

The reality seems to be that the alliances needed for something like this would not be able to organize until at best mid round when their roidcount and value is too high to touch anyways (r28 anyone?)
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Unread 18 Dec 2008, 09:30   #113
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Re: So yeh enough of this Asc > *, but my alliance coulda been better if crap

It only requires a block to kill ascendancy, like it required a block to kill denial, whats the difference.

Asc can do punny nothing if "whole game" targets them as it been the case with others....
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It only requires a block to kill ascendancy, like it required a block to kill denial, whats the difference.

Asc can do punny nothing if "whole game" targets them as it been the case with others....
If Asc plays full force like in r28, I doubt a full block would be able to stop a win. Although that's mainly down to that block's inability to organise itself.

However, the chances of Asc playing like r28 ever again are close to nil. Things will continue as usual, not really bothering till about mid round, at which point if it looks like Asc stand a chance, things kick into gear.
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Re: So yeh enough of this Asc > *, but my alliance coulda been better if crap

well it doesnt help denial then one of the hc's runs to c200 to avoid incommings, think your ex galm8s thanked you for it
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Re: So yeh enough of this Asc > *, but my alliance coulda been better if crap

I like how asc is already out on forums downplaying the 3 in a row.

And that if *ANYONE* attacks them to stop them to win, they will do the same to that alliance.
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Unread 18 Dec 2008, 12:08   #119
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Re: So yeh enough of this Asc > *, but my alliance coulda been better if crap

I think Asc will win 3 (4-5-6-...) in a row, simply because other allies will do nothing to stop them again.

Too affraid of getting hit by asc and not winning because of it...
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I think Asc will win 3 (4-5-6-...) in a row, simply because other allies will do nothing to stop them again.

Too affraid of getting hit by asc and not winning because of it...
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I like how asc is already out on forums downplaying the 3 in a row.

And that if *ANYONE* attacks them to stop them to win, they will do the same to that alliance.
God forbid we'd retaliate people for attacking us!

(Jesterina, I'm thinking we should do ND instead)
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I like how asc is already out on forums downplaying the 3 in a row.

And that if *ANYONE* attacks them to stop them to win, they will do the same to that alliance.
I trust YOU will be stepping upto the plate then SteInMetz next round and leading from the front?

It's pretty simple really, if JBG decides he fancies three in a row and PM's everyone asking to play then we'll all play from the start. If however he's not fussed about next round, and unless someone steps upto the role of 'JBG' I'd say it's safe to say the 'normal' approach will be adopted.

*Note that's not to say that won't be enough to win, you've all proven yourselves terrible enough for Asc to win playing part time.
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I trust YOU will be stepping upto the plate then SteInMetz next round and leading from the front?
If I had the position to do it, I would take that responsibility on, only because its too boring any other way.
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If I had the position to do it, I would take that responsibility on, only because its too boring any other way.
Come join Ascendancy, in our alliance you don't need to have the position to do it.

Oh wai...

Can you see why we all think your stupid 'hierarchy' has it backwards?
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Oh wai...

Can you see why we all think your stupid 'hierarchy' has it backwards?
Im not sure I would allow a lot of the people I see playing to be in anything but the hierarchy to be honest, so while it may be backwards, it is necessary.
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When CBA can do Ascendancy, anyone can.
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You know, as I was typing my last response, that thought did cross my mind, but I suppose ill just write that little detail off as the exception.

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I trust YOU will be stepping upto the plate then SteInMetz next round and leading from the front?
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Re: So yeh enough of this Asc > *, but my alliance coulda been better if crap

I think the alliance HCs needs to invest more time into cuddling their members and help them become good, and recruit decent players to help them out with the "guiding". Sharing power is good!

Its a bit hilarious if any alliance the following round actually thinks they have a chance with their core alone vs Asc as it is now. They need to educate players, like im under the impression CT have been doing this round, although their players could need some war-training imo

A good example is someone many people know under many nicks, mostly known as mickey and yoshika. Take him into your alliance and guide him and he will be one of your most valuable players, with activity and the will to help his alliance far more then the average player. Its really up to the HCs in the respective top5 alliances if they bother to put the effort into players that needs a little guiding. The more decent players out there the better.

Now thats my opinion, please flame it so we can see who lacks the balls to save PA.


edit: i forgot to say why its important. it boosts MORALE if they see their game improving!
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A good example is someone many people know under many nicks, mostly known as mickey and yoshika. Take him into your alliance and guide him and he will be one of your most valuable players, with activity and the will to help his alliance far more then the average player. Its really up to the HCs in the respective top5 alliances if they bother to put the effort into players that needs a little guiding. The more decent players out there the better.
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Well, im sure you know that i dont mind being flamed as it creates discussion, and i appreciate attention on topics i think is important
I also said in a way that anyone who wishes to flame, better have a damn good reason or they will just look like idiots.
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How are you suggesting that alliances should go about helping people become better players? A large amount of PA is raw activity, there are a few tricks but once you are past the stage of not knowing what a bcalc is or that whoring Finance centers is the only way to go with cons what more is there?

I find its little things like the fact I am forever complaining to my gal at their attempts to defend an incoming on two levels when one is more efficient even where it causes less damage overall, but for an alliance these things should be done by the presumably already competent officers.
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Better! means learning something new to improve their planet, galaxy and alliance and in the end feel confident what to do in any situation.

you want a list? thats a waste of time as it really is a lot of improvements players can do to their gameplay in this "simple" game. Small things matters.
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How are you suggesting that alliances should go about helping people become better players? A large amount of PA is raw activity, there are a few tricks but once you are past the stage of not knowing what a bcalc is or that whoring Finance centers is the only way to go with cons what more is there?

I find its little things like the fact I am forever complaining to my gal at their attempts to defend an incoming on two levels when one is more efficient even where it causes less damage overall, but for an alliance these things should be done by the presumably already competent officers.
oh common, there is loads more, fake attack, attack recall, big teamups, mixed attack fleets, fake def. Also what about politics side, get intel on your target, if its some def drain like caj <3 then dont hit it unless big teamup, also exiling galaxys, find fence gals or gals good at cross deffin, hiddin value, this is actually a far more complecating game then u make ouit Londo. Shame on you.
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Re: So yeh enough of this Asc > *, but my alliance coulda been better if crap

I think Londo was talking the basics rather than embellishments that help an attack get through... only finding a good galaxy is basic out of those imo.

I am sure there are many ppl who make do without fake attacks, mixed attack fleets etc, and who do fine. It is probably more important to be taught to spot them when they are incoming that persuading someone to be willing to do them themselves.

basically i'm not sure why it should be the HC's responsibility to direct the playing style of every member, yes they probably could/should put up guides (I believe there are already some available here on the forums) but then its probably best to leave it to the members to decide what tactics suit them. Surely HC already have enough on their hands without directing their members planets too? or is it an essential for beating asc that there is a small 'elite' group who then essentially run every tiny detail of everyones attacks and defence - and if this was the case then the real question would be are there really the people with the motivation to step up and do it?
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CBA those are the few tricks i was alluding too yes

My post was not well explained, HaNzI was talking about t5 alliances, by the time ppl get to a t5 alliance they have probably been through another one, ASS or F-crew etc, what I meant was, what is there that is the tactical preserve of the top 5 that the others dont have?

Also a large portion of these thing are things that will be learnt naturally in the course of playing without anyone having to give particular instruction - for example if you dont know then Ur DC will tell you what to do with a fake def when he wants one, without there being anything like organised training, teamups naturally happen etc.

Its the tactic's that have least value that are the ones that are not learnt in the routine course of playing with an alliance, launch-recall-launch again, i have done often and only rarely actually benefitted from! or hidden production, i hid huge amounts this round but the benefit was dubious - in another thread Zotham/Golan said he thought my massive hidden hindered rather than helped my progress - I disagree but it certainly failed in helping me find xp which was my original intention!

Intel is I find, even for me too hard to get hold of, requiring an open intel policy by your alliance, unrelated to these educational aims... perhaps ppl should be taught how to use sandmans as a substitute for those of us who dont have intel access, which is dont forget most of the universe.

Perhaps there are many things U do that I dont that I should be doing, my ignorance so clearly stopped me this round!
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CBA those are the few tricks i was alluding too yes

My post was not well explained, HaNzI was talking about t5 alliances, by the time ppl get to a t5 alliance they have probably been through another one, ASS or F-crew etc, what I meant was, what is there that is the tactical preserve of the top 5 that the others dont have?

Also a large portion of these thing are things that will be learnt naturally in the course of playing without anyone having to give particular instruction - for example if you dont know then Ur DC will tell you what to do with a fake def when he wants one, without there being anything like organised training, teamups naturally happen etc.

Its the tactic's that have least value that are the ones that are not learnt in the routine course of playing with an alliance, launch-recall-launch again, i have done often and only rarely actually benefitted from! or hidden production, i hid huge amounts this round but the benefit was dubious - in another thread Zotham/Golan said he thought my massive hidden hindered rather than helped my progress - I disagree but it certainly failed in helping me find xp which was my original intention!

Intel is I find, even for me too hard to get hold of, requiring an open intel policy by your alliance, unrelated to these educational aims... perhaps ppl should be taught how to use sandmans as a substitute for those of us who dont have intel access, which is dont forget most of the universe.

Perhaps there are many things U do that I dont that I should be doing, my ignorance so clearly stopped me this round!
Well possibly but i dont think your ignorant, I was just stating that this game is FAR more complex then people make out and launch and recalls ARE VERY POWERFUL... how can they not be?? drawing defence, if not helping you it will help others hitting that alliance guaranteed also its about utilizing your fleets and keep em moving constantly, but yes the use of sandmans is also an important factor ofc.
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Shall I take a different approach with my response this time, I have played 4 rounds that I really remember... r3-9 are almost entirely lost to my memory. The vast majority of those things U mentioned I learnt in r25, to all intents and purposes that was my first round; I was, as U know, not in a top5 alliance. Some I perhaps learnt from my gal.. Im sure Inforza et al. would say so... tho I was 2nd ingal much of the time! Point is because i was interested I picked these things up; I think most ppl in an alliance like CT know all these tactics, whether they actually employ them is another matter.
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or that whoring Finance centers is the only way to go with cons what more is there?
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Tired of talking Asc and giving them attention even if it makes them feel good and those e-penises bigger.

Let's just kill them and watch them whine&flame their miserable destiny on forums.
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Londo. it is the HCs responsibility to keep the members happy and make sure they contribute to the alliance.
They should have the drive and the skill needed in their HC-team to show their members what options they have, not neccessarily telling them what to do. Then its up to the members if they want to learn and show some activity.
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Denial would had won Asc in 1-on-1 battle and we all know that. The lot spoken 'PA-hate' came in to the picture and Asc had easy job to build shield for them selves while other alliances got beaten.

Kinda sad that Denial ain't playing R30 cause others would had possibly been more interested to stop Asc's run with victories than keep hating Denial. Now Asc will have hard time to get some sort of naps with the other top alliances and tbh i don't see any good reason for any ally to nap or even less to ally with them.

Not as a diss but still.. Asc got their latest win by politics and mindgames or what ever you call it. Personally i don't give a f**k bout those, but i hope that all of the alliance leaders are wise and brave enough to not let Asc have same kinda easy win in R30 and pay it by their own alliance member "blood".

Prediction: Asc tries to NAP and ally others to ease the load of incomings and if they do, they win. If the universe can resist the powers of evil mindgames there will be close battle between 3-4 alliances at the best.
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I think i should quietly withdraw everything I said...

I don't fundamentally disagree that teaching ppl is a good idea, i just expect it to happen b4 ppl graduate to top alliances.... It s not an overly complicated game tbh, the complexity is more in the politics imo, which is safely kept out of the reach of meer mortals like me. There is a game tactics thread somewhere on these boards from something like 10 rounds ago, the vast majority of things on it are still relevant, and the flipside of it is that I can think of very little that is done now that is not in that thread.

The Logical conclusion is that tactics have changed only a little, therefore there is not an enormous amount for the t5 alliances to teach which a player who gets into these alliances (which usually need a vouch - ie previous experience) does not already know.
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You would be amazed on how they do the "recruiting" in top5 alliances
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MZ, am i bad or good with those two different posts? By placing you can switch the relations and meanings pretty nicely.

Edit: And to be honest i didn't whine about Denial losing. I was judging the way Asc got their victory and would had judge it if it would had been Denial or any other alliance.

And according to these 'if you hit us we drag you down with us too' -posts they know or atleast fear that they aren't getting easy round again R30. That's what i hope too in my post.
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