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Unread 27 Apr 2008, 23:32   #101
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Re: Congratulations Denial!

War...huh...yeah
What is it good for?
Absolutely nothing
Uh ha haa ha
War...huh...yeah
What is it good for?
Absolutely nothing...say it again y'all
War..huh...look out...
What is it good for?
Absolutely nothing...listen to me ohhhhh

Nah, war is good for beating the crap out of an alliance And fun it has been so far I mean, ive had 6 waves of incs, even tho i only had 350 roids :P

And it seems Denial should rename themselves Delutional. Cause them thinking theyre not getting a easier way to it is strange. You cant have been ptargeted as much as other allies this round, no way you can keep away 3 allies ptargeting you @ the same time. And over time, when you have lots more roids than any other ally, you will grow bigger, and the longer it goes the more powerfull fleets. But heck, there is always a next round, hopefully ND wont get that much hate Altho, i couldnt care less about hate, proud to see what we have accomplished with in general 15k less roids than Denial.

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Unread 27 Apr 2008, 23:43   #102
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Re: Congratulations Denial!

this thread turned into a snoozefest.. cudnt be arsed reading all the posts

1 thing tho.. why wud nox fight our only friends in the uni?
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this thread turned into a snoozefest.. cudnt be arsed reading all the posts
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1 thing tho.. why wud nox fight our only friends in the uni?
Read the thread, it contains the reasons why.
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1 thing tho.. why wud nox fight our only friends in the uni?
To win, rather than to come second.
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Unread 27 Apr 2008, 23:56   #105
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And it seems Denial should rename themselves Delutional. Cause them thinking theyre not getting a easier way to it is strange. You cant have been ptargeted as much as other allies this round, no way you can keep away 3 allies ptargeting you @ the same time. And over time, when you have lots more roids than any other ally, you will grow bigger, and the longer it goes the more powerfull fleets. But heck, there is always a next round, hopefully ND wont get that much hate Altho, i couldnt care less about hate, proud to see what we have accomplished with in general 15k less roids than Denial.
You are the delutional one here my friend. Sorry to burst ur ND loyalty bubble and all, but yes, Denial have had more incs this round than ND. You had 3 allies hitting ND+Jen for 2 nights max, 2 allies (Den+NoX 75+ and ~50 members) hitting ND+Jen the rest of the time. Meanwhile 2 alliances (ND+Jen - both 75+ btw) p-targetted JUST Denial all those nights. Either ur attacks were god damn shit awful, or we did just get more incs than u and as Gate already said, were better than u.
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You are the delutional one here my friend. Sorry to burst ur ND loyalty bubble and all, but yes, Denial have had more incs this round than ND. You had 3 allies hitting ND+Jen for 2 nights max, 2 allies (Den+NoX 75+ and ~50 members) hitting ND+Jen the rest of the time. Meanwhile 2 alliances (ND+Jen - both 75+ btw) p-targetted JUST Denial all those nights. Either ur attacks were god damn shit awful, or we did just get more incs than u and as Gate already said, were better than u.
Or maybe it was because JBG gave you access to ND's site.

Oh wait, why was STOOMTHEREVIVAL being targetted again? Oops.
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Unread 28 Apr 2008, 00:13   #107
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gzambo - Denial/NoX while a two alliance partnership, is tantamount to a stagnation-causing block, with the same kind of effects we have seen with Fury and Legion. They're sitting together because if both of them do - one of them will definitely win (Denial).

Even so, there is still no advantage for the smaller partner unless you feel happy helping someone else win.
And this isnt exactly what happened last round? Except without all the whining we are seeing now on the forums? ND/CT Ptargeting Urwins for 2-3 weeks straight without a break. Even though Urwins had NO ONE to help them hit back, so they were forced to gal raid.

Yeah no one complained about that, did they? So Denial/NoX working together is no different then exactly that.

But don't believe the ND propaganda machine that they are helpless kittens being bullied. They have had plenty of help from other allies, lots of other allies, our massive incoming counts show it, far more then ND have received this round. Fact of the matter is over the past two rounds New Dawn has not had incomings to the level they are getting now. But thats war, you have to strategize around that.

And to Kargool.. wtf? I dont know where youre getting your "intel" from but you need a new source.
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Unread 28 Apr 2008, 00:18   #108
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Then don't post.


Read the thread, it contains the reasons why.
the reasons were retarded.
going to war with denial wont give us the win, it'l hand it to sum1 else and break our friendship thats built up fighting the rest of the uni that hv been targeting denox

i fail to see how 2 allies allying is stagnating the entire round. there are like 10 other allies with over 60 members to fight for number 1... i blame stoom + ct + xvx + fcrew + orbit and all the other people that refused to aim for #1 for stagnating stuff

while winning wud be nice i hv no problems seeing denial take first, they deserve it more than anyone else imo
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And this isnt exactly what happened last round? Except without all the whining we are seeing now on the forums? ND/CT Ptargeting Urwins for 2-3 weeks straight without a break. Even though Urwins had NO ONE to help them hit back, so they were forced to gal raid.

Yeah no one complained about that, did they? So Denial/NoX working together is no different then exactly that.
This is just a silly argument that amounts to saying we shouldn't do things the right way now because we never did them before.

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But don't believe the ND propaganda machine that they are helpless kittens being bullied. They have had plenty of help from other allies, lots of other allies, our massive incoming counts show it, far more then ND have received this round. Fact of the matter is over the past two rounds New Dawn has not had incomings to the level they are getting now. But thats war, you have to strategize around that.
I don't listen to ND, I can just read sandmans and use cold hard figures.
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Unread 28 Apr 2008, 00:21   #110
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And this isnt exactly what happened last round? Except without all the whining we are seeing now on the forums? ND/CT Ptargeting Urwins for 2-3 weeks straight without a break. Even though Urwins had NO ONE to help them hit back, so they were forced to gal raid.

Yeah no one complained about that, did they? So Denial/NoX working together is no different then exactly that.

But don't believe the ND propaganda machine that they are helpless kittens being bullied. They have had plenty of help from other allies, lots of other allies, our massive incoming counts show it, far more then ND have received this round. Fact of the matter is over the past two rounds New Dawn has not had incomings to the level they are getting now. But thats war, you have to strategize around that.

And to Kargool.. wtf? I dont know where youre getting your "intel" from but you need a new source.
Maybe you should've played politics better last round then, I doubt anyone would argue ND won the last 2 rounds on activity and dedication alone. Politics obviously played a large part. This round you have played just as well ingame as Urwins last round but have played better with regard to politics (whatever you choose to say on the forums). Assuming NoX won't break their NAP with you, you're going to walk the round because of it.

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Unread 28 Apr 2008, 00:21   #111
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I don't listen to ND, I can just read sandmans and use cold hard figures.
Sandmans is a snapshot of an alliance like New Dawn.
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Maybe you should've played politics better last round then, I doubt anyone would argue ND won the last 2 rounds on activity and dedication alone. Politics obviously played a large part. This round you have played just as well ingame as Urwins last round but have played better with regard to politics (whatever you choose to say on the forums). Assuming NoX won't break their NAP with you, you're going to walk the round because of it.
I'm not disrespecting New Dawn for the previous rounds, they played both fantastically. They won, well played etc... What I am saying is this whining (propaganda) we are seeing now, is unjustified:

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This is just a silly argument that amounts to saying we shouldn't do things the right way now because we never did them before.
The do as I say, not as I do argument does not apply here.
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The do as I say, not as I do argument does not apply here.
Are you just deliberately trying to mislabel my arguments to have a vague leg to stand on?

You're saying that people should undertake actions to prevent them from being hypocritical regardless of how counterproductive it is for them. It's akin to saying we should keep burning fossil fuels because we always have done, even though it's clearly counterproductive for us to do so.

As for 'not as I do', I don't have a coalition to play around with and if I did, I'd be using it a lot differently. In fact, the last time I had such coalition, I turned on one of the most formidable alliances in planetarion, forged relationships with the other side and won. So don't tell me it isn't possible, because I've done it, when planetarion was a damn sight harder than it is now.
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Or maybe it was because JBG gave you access to ND's site.
lol, u aswell as everyone else knows we had access via a member (who actually had knowledge of it, unlike ur "stolen" user/pass) ourselves already.

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We running with the DenoX thing? Can't say i can complain :|
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We running with the DenoX thing? Can't say i can complain :|
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lol, u aswell as everyone else knows we had access via a member (who actually had knowledge of it, unlike ur "stolen" user/pass) ourselves already.
I also gave you access to CT's website fyi. And even though you did put the word stolen in inverted commas I'd like to reiterate the fact if it was stolen we didn't steal it.
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*makes note that the only way people won't whine about you is if you lose.

Isn't that the case every friggin round? Whoever is winning and whoever they are napped with get torn to pieces by the newbs that are losing. This is done in a sorry effort to cause their moral and self esteem to drop so low, that in desperation, they drop the nap and go to war, hoping to make some friends. They then lose #2 or #1 spot, or both, and one of the alliances picking on them moves up and hails themselves as the rightful winner and considers it a game well played. This is ignoring the fact that to bring the aforementioned alliances down, the losers had to gang rape them in a 3 or 4 to 1 war, doing exactly what they whined about the winners doing. Does no one see the idiocy of this at all? This is a war game. If politics + game play lands an alliance in the #1 spot, and you all had the SAME OPPORTUNITIES THEY DID, how can you fault them for winning?


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*makes note that the only way people won't whine about you is if you lose.
r13 NoS. r15 Angels. r17 Omen. ND several times when we lost too.

Two groups are 'whining'. Those who're want their alliance to win (the NDers), and those who're frustrated because they think NoX should try and win, and make the round interesting for a casual observer.

If NoX want to try and win, then not hitting denial is stupid, and a lot of these posters find such blatant stupidity really annoying. They would also prefer an interesting round of PA.


It's up to NoX to decide which is best for them. 1) Do they want to elevate Denial to victory and sit out a stagnating round? 2) Do they want to go for the win & make it interesting again?

The majority of posters here would adopt position 2). Hence their response.
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Highly doubt it Gate. If there were this many people simply "casually observing" and wishing only for a fun round to watch, there'd be no one playing. No, the NDers may be whining cause they want to win, but there are 3-4 other alliances worth of people out there chomping at the bit for an opportunity to move up the ranks and position themselves for #1 or king making. Technically, if played right, almost any alliance in the t10 right now has a chance of making a big difference in the outcome of this round, for others, as well as themselves. It is still somewhat early for the round to be over.
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Isn't that the case every friggin round? Whoever is winning and whoever they are napped with get torn to pieces by the newbs that are losing. This is done in a sorry effort to cause their moral and self esteem to drop so low, that in desperation, they drop the nap and go to war, hoping to make some friends. They then lose #2 or #1 spot, or both, and one of the alliances picking on them moves up and hails themselves as the rightful winner and considers it a game well played. This is ignoring the fact that to bring the aforementioned alliances down, the losers had to gang rape them in a 3 or 4 to 1 war, doing exactly what they whined about the winners doing. Does no one see the idiocy of this at all? This is a war game. If politics + game play lands an alliance in the #1 spot, and you all had the SAME OPPORTUNITIES THEY DID, how can you fault them for winning?
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how exactly would nox hitting denial give us the win?

srsly.. pls tell me? coz it seems to hv been working out really really well for the other alliances doesnt it?
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It wouldn't give you the win. It would however give you a shot at maybe earning the win. (Maybe being the keyword)
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It wouldn't give you the win. It would however give you a shot at maybe earning the win. (Maybe being the keyword)
To be honest Mz, I take everything back that I said in this thread directed at NoX. I said so presuming that the HC of other alliances were capable of coherent thought, but as they have demonstrated, if NoX did hit Denial the other 'bottom feeders' would probably hit NoX instead of Denial themselves.
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mz if u can provide a sound tactic that will allow us to try and win by attacking our 1 and only friend in the universe, then let me know and i'l destroy denox!
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sif we would ever let u make decissions on your own jezz, Elviz is more usefull ffs.

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Get new friends.

Although as Game said, I seriously doubt the reasoning skills of most alliance HCs.
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You are the delutional one here my friend. Sorry to burst ur ND loyalty bubble and all, but yes, Denial have had more incs this round than ND. You had 3 allies hitting ND+Jen for 2 nights max, 2 allies (Den+NoX 75+ and ~50 members) hitting ND+Jen the rest of the time. Meanwhile 2 alliances (ND+Jen - both 75+ btw) p-targetted JUST Denial all those nights. Either ur attacks were god damn shit awful, or we did just get more incs than u and as Gate already said, were better than u.
Venox the biggest load of bullshit i have ever heard in my life !

ND and Jen p targeted u for arnd 7 days and Jen left as the going got to tought for them !

Our incs have been the worse i have seen, since i have been in ND.

Constant p tragteing from tick 270 plus (From a mixture of 3 allainces) normal gal raid incs. It's nothing more than we expected as i have said before.

Denial hasnt seen a taste of heavy incs at all this rnd IMO compared to previous wars and allainces!

You doing well in your easy politcal climate dont billy bullshit how hard you have had it, it dosnt wash..

But then again you did know where we where going each night !
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Venox the biggest load of bullshit i have ever heard in my life !

ND and Jen p targeted u for arnd 7 days and Jen left as the going got to tought for them !

Our incs have been the worse i have seen, since i have been in ND.

Constant p tragteing from tick 270 plus (From a mixture of 3 allainces) normal gal raid incs. It's nothing more than we expected as i have said before.

Denial hasnt seen a taste of heavy incs at all this rnd IMO compared to previous wars and allainces!

You doing well in your easy politcal climate dont billy bullshit how hard you have had it, it dosnt wash..

But then again you did know where we where going each night !
And ND vs Denial 1 on 1 would of ended in a clear ND victory*. Stop kidding urself please. I'm fed up of responding to u.

* we could have found out but u had to run and get Jenova involved, lol.
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Maybe its the worse you have seen cos you havent had serious incs before? ;o
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Venox the biggest load of bullshit i have ever heard in my life !

ND and Jen p targeted u for arnd 7 days and Jen left as the going got to tought for them !

Our incs have been the worse i have seen, since i have been in ND.

Constant p tragteing from tick 270 plus (From a mixture of 3 allainces) normal gal raid incs. It's nothing more than we expected as i have said before.

Denial hasnt seen a taste of heavy incs at all this rnd IMO compared to previous wars and allainces!

You doing well in your easy politcal climate dont billy bullshit how hard you have had it, it dosnt wash..

But then again you did know where we where going each night !
Right, so judging from your post you believe:
- Denial doesn't get galraid incs too, or magicly gets less galraid incs than ND.
- You have gotten more inc than Denial despite you guys constantly looking for flak allies to attack together with you and only target Denial.

I'm sorry m8, but your propaganda is an epic fail.

And like VenoX said, we could have had a 1vs1 war, just Denial vs ND. But you had to go get yourself some flak from Jenova caus you simply weren't good enough...
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And having full coordlist of your opponent from tick 70 didnt help either?
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tick 70? How is that even possible without officer/HC level access to ur arbiter? ND's ignorance shines through!
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tick 70? How is that even possible without officer/HC level access to ur arbiter? ND's ignorance shines through!
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And ND vs Denial 1 on 1 would of ended in a clear ND victory*. Stop kidding urself please. I'm fed up of responding to u.
Did my post say that? No it didnt ! Read you moron ! And then come back with a reply that makes sense.

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Right, so judging from your post you believe:
- Denial doesn't get galraid incs too, or magicly gets less galraid incs than ND.
- You have gotten more inc than Denial despite you guys constantly looking for flak allies to attack together with you and only target Denial.
Did i say that ND gets more inc from just Gal raids than Denial? Or was it a combination of incs? Go Read ! Go Figure !

OFC we are looking for allainces to P target Denial. As stated before there is no-one willing to join us. Looking dosnt actually get Denial incs, i thought i might point that out to you....

I love the way you like to cherry pick the points you think you may have case on or can twist but leave the ones you dare not go near.
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tick 70? How is that even possible without officer/HC level access to ur arbiter? ND's ignorance shines through!
Are you saying that Denial didnt have this?
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tick 70? How is that even possible without officer/HC level access to ur arbiter? ND's ignorance shines through!

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Shows either your ignorance of what happened or just plain stupidity.


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Please explain what happened then. And no, we did not have access to your arbiter.
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Denial did not have a full list of ND coords. u guys got a few from us around tick180 or so, and both alliances lacked a few then.
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Shows either your ignorance of what happened or just plain stupidity.


nice try tho
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[14:17:20] <[ND]Spritfire> we started the case with netgamers.
[14:19:23] <[ND]Spritfire> I need more time. Your all using mode +x

lmao, so infact, u have no evidence. ur the one showing ur stupidity. Like i told him, prove me wrong (that we had ND arbiter access) and i will seriously delete the Denial tag and my own planet before this round ends.
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'Logs on the forum ? Aren't we breaking any rules now ?
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back on topic, nice politics denial
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It's always enjoyable to see retards crying their own failure on the internet
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donno about the rest, but afaik we(norway) cant give out ip's without the police requesting it just a funny fact Spritfire
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foxman, u dont hide IP's on IRC. Leave the technical stuff well alone we both know it ends with "well if uve rebooted ur router i dunno wot the problem cud be"
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mz if u can provide a sound tactic that will allow us to try and win by attacking our 1 and only friend in the universe, then let me know and i'l destroy denox!
Attacking them is that sound tactic you're looking for, what do you need him for when it's that simple! If you want to hit Denial I think you would gain more 'friends' than you lose anyways.
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What exactly is that about anyway?
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Logs are allowed. Logs longer than ten lines are banned for being spammy but if you provide a link to a site hosting the log that's perfectly acceptable.
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Right, so judging from your post you believe:
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- You have gotten more inc than Denial despite you guys constantly looking for flak allies to attack together with you and only target Denial.

I'm sorry m8, but your propaganda is an epic fail.
Right, so judging from your post you can write but not read, interesting phenomenon! Also, Denial probably gets more galraid incs than ND, using common sense (something you seem to lack).
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Re: Congratulations Denial!

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Originally Posted by zebra
Right, so judging from your post you can write but not read, interesting phenomenon! Also, Denial probably gets more galraid incs than ND, using common sense (something you seem to lack).
Ok, lets use this common sense thing you like so much...

You stated that Denial gets more galraid incs than ND.
I believe that the amount of p-targetting Denial has had compared to the amount of p-targetting ND has had is bigger because:
a) we don't have as many NAPS & ally's like you do.
b) in the war between Denial & NoX / ND & Jenova, which lasted a week, ND & Jenova only targetted Denial while Denial & NoX targetted both.

So, common sence would come to this conclusion:
Denial has recieved more incomings than ND

Applying this conclusion to what your HC BA posted & my reply to it, it would seem that I infact do know how to read and also do have common sense.

I must admit, I'm as shocked as you are!
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