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Unread 2 May 2015, 14:49   #151
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Re: mass NAPing- yawn boring

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CT did hit ult whild the block was on BF.
CT "galraided" Ult. That's not the same as hitting them.

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BF being crushed was to be expected.
If they had not had members raging over HCs cheating

lol. Trying to use the cheating accusation as a reason why BF got crushed. We got overwelmed by 4 (sometimes 5) tags and not because of any internal issues.

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and perhaps not choosed to hit p3ng when the block was going on ct, they would still been in the game.
We chose not to support CT as we felt they had just abandoned us. We weren't going to be CT's bitches. If they didn't want to support us then we sure as hell wasn't going to support them.
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CT "galraided" Ult. That's not the same as hitting them.




lol. Trying to use the cheating accusation as a reason why BF got crushed. We got overwelmed by 4 (sometimes 5) tags and not because of any internal issues.



We chose not to support CT as we felt they had just abandoned us. We weren't going to be CT's bitches. If they didn't want to support us then we sure as hell wasn't going to support them.
Hitting Ult forts is not gal raiding.
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Re: mass NAPing- yawn boring

wtf, galraiding ults?? is it gal raiding if its only the ults in the gal we are hitting and we are hitting 3/4 gals????
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Re: mass NAPing- yawn boring

I think its fair to say that BF tried to regain roids/XP by attacking p3nguins, and it backfired.
It was a decent plan, i had not expected FL to go back up p3nguins either.
BF(If it wernt someone else) that p3ng was freeroids
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Been there and done it (twice in a row) got killed with our tactic choices the third attempt. We are happy re-building and causing problems
thats all =)
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I think its fair to say that BF tried to regain roids/XP by attacking p3nguins, and it backfired.
It was a decent plan, i had not expected FL to go back up p3nguins either.
BF(If it wernt someone else) that p3ng was freeroids
p3n was down 13% on the first night.
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p3n was down 13% on the first night.
Yes, it was a excelent tactic to go for them, just the wrong timing!
Perhaps going for Rogues first instead of P3ng first wouldve been better, looking at it now
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p3n was down 13% on the first night.
And the rest of the week?

http://p3nguins.com/alliance/Black%2...story/summary/

http://p3nguins.com/alliance/p3nguins/history/summary/

I admit the first night you did take us by surprise and did do well. However seems the rest of the week wasn't as bad.. we even managed to be better on score growth on most days...
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CT "galraided" Ult. That's not the same as hitting them.
I thought they "galraided" Rogues, thats what i was told...
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I thought they "galraided" Rogues, thats what i was told...
No. BowS did some Rogues in the Ult gals CT was gal raiding.
Perhaps thats what you was told?
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Makes me wonder if you are just guessing or playing.
Neither.

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Barely - a galaxy raid or two counts for very little. Did Conspiracy actually coordinate a proper hit with Black Flag on Ultores at any meaningful level?

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BF being crushed was to be expected. If they had not had members raging over HCs cheating, and perhaps not choosed to hit p3ng when the block was going on ct, they would still been in the game.
Conspiracy doing more to alleviate the pressure would do far more than those efforts combined. And had they done so, they would be facing defeat at this point in time. Hitting p3ng was a mistake but a fairly minor one when their chances were slim by that point in any event. The only thing I really agree with you on is Black Flag's reputation (which is absolutely their problem), which essentially means they were up against it. But it's interesting how their reputation doesn't matter any more when a round win is at stake.

When it comes down to it collaboration makes a difference in this game, and Ultores and Faceless have done it far better than Conspiracy and Black Flag. One side looks fairly united, the other doesn't.
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No. BowS did some Rogues in the Ult gals CT was gal raiding.
Perhaps thats what you was told?
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When it comes down to it collaboration makes a difference in this game, and Ultores and Faceless have done it far better than Conspiracy and Black Flag. One side looks fairly united, the other doesn't.
Yes. But only because the smaller allies actually made a big difference to the result this round. Both CT and BF chose to hit non full tag allies at various stages. Ult and FL should be patting their non full tag partners on the back for their assistance in giving them a better opportunity to fight for the win during the final week.
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You want to reduce the tag size so Clouds can have a competetive tag?
So far this round we have almost recieved as much incs from two tags 14 and 10 members who are playing mainly to FC and SK people as we have from a close to 50 man tag thats been warring us for large parts of the round.

We have had to let many of these SK and FC waves land cus we simply cannot deffend against certain lol waves.
If any one has influence over, or choose to make a troll tag on the side with their spare members, these tags would wreck the round of a 30 man alliance IF you get the tag limits dropped. Even suggesting it is madness
id take 10 people vs anyone in here tbfh, id take them same 10 people to tags like you who think they need 60 to do well.
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Yes. But only because the smaller allies actually made a big difference to the result this round. Both CT and BF chose to hit non full tag allies at various stages. Ult and FL should be patting their non full tag partners on the back for their assistance in giving them a better opportunity to fight for the win during the final week.
Actually,

Incoming from Black Flag on the other allies like p3n. Rogues and HR were fairly low considering things.
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And the rest of the week?

http://p3nguins.com/alliance/Black%2...story/summary/

http://p3nguins.com/alliance/p3nguins/history/summary/

I admit the first night you did take us by surprise and did do well. However seems the rest of the week wasn't as bad.. we even managed to be better on score growth on most days...

Well, straight after that night the block hit Black Flag for several nights. Please don't make it out like it was P3n verses Black Flag as it clearly wasn't and you'd be misinforming the audience.
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Yes. But only because the smaller allies actually made a big difference to the result this round. Both CT and BF chose to hit on full tag allies at various stages. Ult and FL should be patting their non full tag partners on the back for their assistance in giving them a better opportunity to fight for the win during the final week.
It's more that Ultores and Faceless work together when it matters - they can put together attacks that hurt their opposition. All the small alliances do is put more pressure on Conspiracy and Black Flag to work together more.
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Re: mass NAPing- yawn boring

It is more a ship strat thing. They basically napped anyone with a ship strat other than de, meaning they only have to build one def ship class whilst everyone else has to split there strat, halving the defence pool.

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Re: mass NAPing- yawn boring

I think more of the issue Lokken was that BF at some point was hitting FL, and CT was hitting Ult.
2-3 days in on the one week siege on BF, CT NAPed Rogues, claiming that CT was hitting Rogues while BF was under fire is at best, only partly true if you look at obvious evidence.
And even if CT was targetting Rogues, wouldnt it be likely to belive they were gonna lose roids?
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Well, straight after that night the block hit Black Flag for several nights. Please don't make it out like it was P3n verses Black Flag as it clearly wasn't and you'd be misinforming the audience.
Perhaps 2 nights? Not "several" if we look at cts weeks stats:


http://p3nguins.com/alliance/Conspir...story/summary/

I'd say they were been hit by the block more then bf were? (Plus I know for a fact they were) but there we go you only stopped hitting us last night.

Plus the fact from what butcher keeps posting on these forums rainbows are been hit by rogues and hordors etc.. You (bf) chose to hit p3ng which made us retaliate.. So really isn't much of a "block" as the only 3 allies to hit you is faceless and of course ult other then obviously us, which as I mentioned above are also hitting ct I presume (not us) so..

I wasn't making out it was one on one.. I was simply replying to clouds post making it sound like you "dominated" p3nguins
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I think more of the issue Lokken was that BF at some point was hitting FL, and CT was hitting Ult.
2-3 days in on the one week siege on BF, CT NAPed Rogues, claiming that CT was hitting Rogues while BF was under fire is at best, only partly true if you look at obvious evidence.
And even if CT was targetting Rogues, wouldnt it be likely to belive they were gonna lose roids?
It's not about what was happening earlier or who agreed what - it's about doing what you need to do to win. And my point is that Conspiracy let Black Flag fail far too easily.
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It is more a ship strat thing. They basically napped anyone with a ship strat other than de, meaning they only have to build one def ship class whilst everyone else has to split there strat, halving the defence pool.
I'm not actually playing myself, but I hear regular complaints in Ultores' private channel that Black Flag & co essentially have pure anti-Ultores fleets, so that cleverness goes both ways.
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It's not about what was happening earlier or who agreed what - it's about doing what you need to do to win. And my point is that Conspiracy let Black Flag fail far too easily.
When the block moved off BF they were still 2nd, you are making it sound like CT ensured that BF was out of the race, wich aint true at all.
They did some political choices of their own, to go hit p3ng instead of hitting Ult/FL, wich led em to be in the position they are in atm. Wich infact aint that dire, its only about 6 million up to FL, who in fact are only 1-2 million behind Ultores.

It was a failed political/strategical attempt hitting p3ng, wich put em in 4th, not CT not "helping out their friends"
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I think more of the issue Lokken was that BF at some point was hitting FL, and CT was hitting Ult.
2-3 days in on the one week siege on BF, CT NAPed Rogues, claiming that CT was hitting Rogues while BF was under fire is at best, only partly true if you look at obvious evidence.
And even if CT was targetting Rogues, wouldnt it be likely to belive they were gonna lose roids?
CT did hit Rogues before Rogues napped them, and the nap was because rogues was losing and begged for peace. CT was admittedly only going half strength on rogues, c.60 fleets a night at a time when everyone was on BF so CT was free to hit out with 100 plus fleets a night, i assumed at the time those other fleets were hitting FL but that was just guesswork.
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I'm not actually playing myself, but I hear regular complaints in Ultores' private channel that Black Flag & co essentially have pure anti-Ultores fleets, so that cleverness goes both ways.
The difference being, ult can build anti-de knowing only de will hit them, whereas ct have to cover against co from ult and cr/bs from fl and so it halves the size of each def fleet
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CT did hit Rogues before Rogues napped them, and the nap was because rogues was losing and begged for peace. CT was admittedly only going half strength on rogues, c.60 fleets a night at a time when everyone was on BF so CT was free to hit out with 100 plus fleets a night, i assumed at the time those other fleets were hitting FL but that was just guesswork.
This - so be quiet b-b because your speculation means nothing. CT/BF cost themselves and it was nice to see some non full tag allies step up and not let themselves be bullied into chosing a certain political side. Ult and FL avoided the likes of p3ng and rogues to my knowledge and this decision meant that these allies made a significant difference to how the round looks in the home stretch
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It is more a ship strat thing. They basically napped anyone with a ship strat other than de, meaning they only have to build one def ship class whilst everyone else has to split there strat, halving the defence pool.

pretty clever
Not really, it was a matter of locking up the smaller allies before others could. At least from Faceless end. A lot of politics were at the hands of Faceless rather than Ultores this round.
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I think its fair to say that BF tried to regain roids/XP by attacking p3nguins, and it backfired.
It was a decent plan, i had not expected FL to go back up p3nguins either.
BF(If it wernt someone else) that p3ng was freeroids
funny enough, it was always the plan to only give BF one night off to see what they would do. tbh, i had not expected BF to go for p3n rather than Faceless at that point. The only reason Ultores didn't go for BF again too that night was due to a misscommunication between Ultores HC's.
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I'd say they were been hit by the block more then bf were? (Plus I know for a fact they were)
Then you have been misinformed because the block hits on BF were more consistent than they were on CT. CT actually did well to avoid FL/Ult/co cooperation. We took the hit while CT were allowed to grow, it's how they are #1 at the moment.

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Plus the fact from what butcher keeps posting on these forums rainbows are been hit by rogues and hordors etc.. You (bf) chose to hit p3ng which made us retaliate.. So really isn't much of a "block" as the only 3 allies to hit you is faceless and of course ult other then obviously us, which as I mentioned above are also hitting ct I presume (not us) so..
I think you need to understand that BF had been in a long standing war with a block of alliances. When BF hit p3n, Ult/FL went straight back on to BF. Also, BF was no longer active by the time p3n "declared war".
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Then you have been misinformed because the block hits on BF were more consistent than they were on CT. CT actually did well to avoid FL/Ult/co cooperation. We took the hit while CT were allowed to grow, it's how they are #1 at the moment.



I think you need to understand that BF had been in a long standing war with a block of alliances. When BF hit p3n, Ult/FL went straight back on to BF. Also, BF was no longer active by the time p3n "declared war".
If you bothered to read my post I was referring to that week. Not previously. So therefore the block wasn't hitting BF all week. From the evidence I provided somone was hitting CT while you guys were hitting us.

I think what you need to understand is BF chose to hit p3nguins because BF thought it could gain easy roids/xp. It failed. After the first night when BF did actually take a heavy hit on us we pulled it back. It's not really relevant if you consider bf "active" or not during this altercation. Fact of the matter is you have 11 (at the time) more planets then us. With the option of 3 fleets each that's potentially 33 more fleets which could of been sent.

Don't get me wrong as I said to zhil it wasn't a one on one war, I have no doubt you were hit by the block. But it wasn't consistently all week. Plus we didn't exactly only have bf hitting us either. Swings both ways.
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I don't see any difference between this round and every other round, ULT finding a full tag alliance as an unbreakable alliance and letting said alliance escort them to the win.

It is now my preference that we concede the round to Ult and go after Faceless, and then every single round we simply ignore ult incoming and go after whatever alliance decides to escort ult to the win.

Some of you guys are having a go at BF here, but fk that, BF had the balls to go for a win (something FL don't) and I would rather alliances like BF try and fail, than just go back to the bad old days of Ult getting escorted to the win round after round after round.

I sense a hodors style alliance in the making, solely to hit anyone allied to Ult.
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If you bothered to read my post I was referring to that week. Not previously. So therefore the block wasn't hitting BF all week. From the evidence I provided somone was hitting CT while you guys were hitting us.

I think what you need to understand is BF chose to hit p3nguins because BF thought it could gain easy roids/xp. It failed. After the first night when BF did actually take a heavy hit on us we pulled it back. It's not really relevant if you consider bf "active" or not during this altercation. Fact of the matter is you have 11 (at the time) more planets then us. With the option of 3 fleets each that's potentially 33 more fleets which could of been sent.

Don't get me wrong as I said to zhil it wasn't a one on one war, I have no doubt you were hit by the block. But it wasn't consistently all week. Plus we didn't exactly only have bf hitting us either. Swings both ways.
Ahahaha, who other than BF was hitting p3ng then?
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Then you have been misinformed because the block hits on BF were more consistent than they were on CT. CT actually did well to avoid FL/Ult/co cooperation. We took the hit while CT were allowed to grow, it's how they are #1 at the Moment.
Ah, yeah, those ungratefull CTs that was able to grow fat under blackflags mighty wings.
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lol you sound equally dissapointed every round when things dont go your way forest

Faceless is equally playing for #1 just the same as black-flag ever did, we are in the race for #1 atm, and can win, its just a matter of the best xp lands now. We did have a few crashes last days, including a 900.000k crash today who is destroying our chanses but we are not handing the win to ult, we play to win but if ult lands more than us and dont crash yes they will win!

Black-flag and ct was always gonna roid faceless after ult was dead and inactive. the universe is so small and they would never turn on eachother before faceless was roided dry, so saying we had other chanses than supporting ult is dumb, and they have helped us back when we got the better end of the incomings.

people have to stop seeing the round just from their own point of view, other alliances will offcourse fight back and do whats needed for their own chanses, just looks like bf and ct did not work very well together so now either Ult or Faceless will win!

And to whoever wins, its much deserved! even if it is ct! but i dont think thats possible

whenever ct has some asians in the top3, the rest of the allie is free roids
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lol you sound equally dissapointed every round when things dont go your way forest
I am glad. I hate losing and it happens way too often on here.
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Faceless is equally playing for #1 just the same as black-flag ever did, we are in the race for #1 atm, and can win, its just a matter of the best xp lands now. We did have a few crashes last days, including a 900.000k crash today who is destroying our chanses but we are not handing the win to ult, we play to win but if ult lands more than us and dont crash yes they will win!
This is debatable. We will see though, as only time will tell.

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Black-flag and ct was always gonna roid faceless after ult was dead and inactive. the universe is so small and they would never turn on eachother before faceless was roided dry, so saying we had other chanses than supporting ult is dumb, and they have helped us back when we got the better end of the incomings.
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people have to stop seeing the round just from their own point of view, other alliances will offcourse fight back and do whats needed for their own chanses, just looks like bf and ct did not work very well together so now either Ult or Faceless will win!
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And to whoever wins, its much deserved! even if it is ct! but i dont think thats possible

whenever ct has some asians in the top3, the rest of the allie is free roids
I think Ult have won and and yes, they deserve it
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lol you sound equally dissapointed every round when things dont go your way forest

Faceless is equally playing for #1 just the same as black-flag ever did, we are in the race for #1 atm, and can win, its just a matter of the best xp lands now. We did have a few crashes last days, including a 900.000k crash today who is destroying our chanses but we are not handing the win to ult, we play to win but if ult lands more than us and dont crash yes they will win!

Black-flag and ct was always gonna roid faceless after ult was dead and inactive. the universe is so small and they would never turn on eachother before faceless was roided dry, so saying we had other chanses than supporting ult is dumb, and they have helped us back when we got the better end of the incomings.

people have to stop seeing the round just from their own point of view, other alliances will offcourse fight back and do whats needed for their own chanses, just looks like bf and ct did not work very well together so now either Ult or Faceless will win!

And to whoever wins, its much deserved! even if it is ct! but i dont think thats possible

whenever ct has some asians in the top3, the rest of the allie is free roids
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If BF/CT was always gonna roid Ult/FL inactive, they would still be doing.
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The difference being, ult can build anti-de knowing only de will hit them, whereas ct have to cover against co from ult and cr/bs from fl and so it halves the size of each def fleet
That just means Ult's incomings are more concentrated than CT's. Ult has to stop 2 alliances worth of anti-De, while CT has to stop 1 alliance worth of Co and one alliance worth of Cr/Bs. It balances out.
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That just means Ult's incomings are more concentrated than CT's. Ult has to stop 2 alliances worth of anti-De, while CT has to stop 1 alliance worth of Co and one alliance worth of Cr/Bs. It balances out.
I thought BF had large amounts of FR? Mz again doing (not so) qualified guesses again.
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Re: mass NAPing- yawn boring

Just undelines mz's point tho...

Forest is a fair bit off in any case. I can speak for ult when i say that we've had to fight off a fair amount of fi/fr/de/cr/bs fleets, and i think the DE acounts for less than 50% of those.
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I don't see any difference between this round and every other round, ULT finding a full tag alliance as an unbreakable alliance and letting said alliance escort them to the win.

It is now my preference that we concede the round to Ult and go after Faceless, and then every single round we simply ignore ult incoming and go after whatever alliance decides to escort ult to the win.

Some of you guys are having a go at BF here, but fk that, BF had the balls to go for a win (something FL don't) and I would rather alliances like BF try and fail, than just go back to the bad old days of Ult getting escorted to the win round after round after round.

I sense a hodors style alliance in the making, solely to hit anyone allied to Ult.
So Faceless are escorting ult to win?
Its not what incan see in rankings..
Ult can win.. faceless too.. ct too... even BF still have chances.
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Re: mass NAPing- yawn boring

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I thought BF had large amounts of FR? Mz again doing (not so) qualified guesses again.
Half their allie cant even build DE.
Forest's point was a version of the general "alliances that overwhelmingly get incomings in one class have an easier time than alliances with incomings split among two or more classes". I disagree, and used his own information (right or wrong) as an example. Nothing more.

Pretend there's a big IF at the start if that makes you feel better.
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Re: mass NAPing- yawn boring

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Forest's point was a version of the general "alliances that overwhelmingly get incomings in one class have an easier time than alliances with incomings split among two or more classes". I disagree, and used his own information (right or wrong) as an example. Nothing more.

Pretend there's a big IF at the start if that makes you feel better.
Think his point was that Faceless was mainly FI/CO, with a small portion of CR, and Ult more or less the same.
Ult/FL can correct me if im wrong.
FI/CO def is mostly the same ship (beetles), and FR/DE def is more spread?
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Re: mass NAPing- yawn boring

No Myz is right on my point.

Imagine this...

Ult build anti-de. They get hit by de-alliance A and can cover because all def anti-de and use 100% def ships. They get hit by de-alliance B and can cover because all def anti-de and use 100% def ships. They get hit by both and get roided from sheer numbers.

CT build 50% anti-cr/bs and 50% anti-co. They get hit by cr/bs alliance and can only cover only 50% and the other 50% def ships are idle. They get hit by co alliance and can only cover only 50% and the other 50% def ships are idle. They get hit by both and get owned.

Also imagine, both blocks hitting one alliance from the other block at most times = the other is grounded or reduced retal = ult can use 100% def ships whilst ct use 50%.

Crude numbers I know but thats the point im making, rightly or wrongly
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Re: mass NAPing- yawn boring

Well most CR/BS def is in DE no? So if thats your attack fleet you got no def

I think the ship stats this round is brilliant, too bad they will prolly feck it up by rerunning IsildurXs stats again next round
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Re: mass NAPing- yawn boring

apart from the emp being completely broken, and scarabs being way too op, and the def ships that can solo stop a huge team up
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Re: mass NAPing- yawn boring

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No Myz is right on my point.

Imagine this...

Ult build anti-de. They get hit by de-alliance A and can cover because all def anti-de and use 100% def ships. They get hit by de-alliance B and can cover because all def anti-de and use 100% def ships. They get hit by both and get roided from sheer numbers.

CT build 50% anti-cr/bs and 50% anti-co. They get hit by cr/bs alliance and can only cover only 50% and the other 50% def ships are idle. They get hit by co alliance and can only cover only 50% and the other 50% def ships are idle. They get hit by both and get owned.

Also imagine, both blocks hitting one alliance from the other block at most times = the other is grounded or reduced retal = ult can use 100% def ships whilst ct use 50%.

Crude numbers I know but thats the point im making, rightly or wrongly
DE incs are maybe 50% of our incs at most
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apart from the emp being completely broken, and scarabs being way too op, and the def ships that can solo stop a huge team up
I think EMP is fine.
I doubt that you will find T1 over 175% average on any ships.
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emp was fine, the scarab was just ridiculously good.

Everyones agrees the scarab is a broken ship, well now except for you B-B
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I think EMP is fine.
I doubt that you will find T1 over 175% average on any ships.
Viper av 177% vs DE
However, yes it is not generally the individual effectiveness that is the issue, its clearly the huge number of scarabs you can have in an attack fleet.
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