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18 Apr 2006, 18:47
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Stolen
Join Date: Nov 2001
Location: Sweden
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Info please.
A few ordinary questions while we still are in early days in round…..
Around what tic are alliance coords out?
Is it because of Gal members intel or from other sources?
Do alliance spies still exist?
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18 Apr 2006, 21:15
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This is bat country
Join Date: Nov 2003
Location: Norway
Posts: 1,693
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Re: Info please.
a bit more effort next time buddy and people might be inspired to respond
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18 Apr 2006, 21:39
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Avenger of Calamari
Join Date: Aug 2003
Location: Alberta, Canada
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Re: Info please.
To answer your questions:
I gain my intel from torturing the agents who found it necessary to try and sabotage my research. I have yet to discover the identity of the ones that succeeded, and my head of security "frederick the blind" has been sent into retirement. He has since then been replaced by "marcus the near-sighted"
I'm proud to say that I am heading up the alliance of "Squidlians anonymous". If you wish to declare war on us, I will be more than happy to hand you our** coords to see your efforts upon us*.
Alliance spies do exist, and I have my eye on that strange Marv character. I suspect he might be spying on me for the betterment of the suspicious "MarvLovesMen" alliance... But until I finish torturing some more agents, I'm afraid I cannot be certain as of now.
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19 Apr 2006, 00:37
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Banned
Join Date: Feb 2006
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Re: Info please.
Quote:
Originally Posted by MotoX
A few ordinary questions while we still are in early days in round…..
Around what tic are alliance coords out?
Is it because of Gal members intel or from other sources?
Do alliance spies still exist?
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I thought you were the man in the know
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19 Apr 2006, 00:55
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Join Date: Oct 2004
Location: Pensacola, FL, USA
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Re: Info please.
I covert-op someone until they mail me their IRC nick.
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19 Apr 2006, 09:20
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Angels for life !
Join Date: Jul 2001
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Re: Info please.
Quote:
Originally Posted by NitinA
I covert-op someone until they mail me their IRC nick.
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So it was you all the time ???
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19 Apr 2006, 10:00
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Hamster
Join Date: Apr 2000
Location: Crewe, England
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Re: Info please.
When are alliances co-ords out: They start leaking pretty much from the first tick after the shuffle and will keep leaking until the very last tick. From my experiance however its pretty rare for every last co-ord to leak out from a single alliance although most top10 alliances have a fairly complete intel list on most of the other top10 alliances by the end of the round
Is it because of galaxy members or other: Galaxy members are normally the building blocks for starting your intel gathering (either by directly leaking their galaxies alliances or even just leaking the defence channels) but arent the only way. If you know co-ords of just one member you can simply watch for defence and your get a load of co-ords of other members of that alliance, or theres intel swaps with allies or recruiting of new members whom bring intel with them, or 'spies' (which i'll deal with below) or one of the million other ways of gaining intel. Those most successful at it are those whom use every possible avenue open to them to build their intel db
Do alliances still use spies: While your probally find no alliance admitting doesnt so it does go on, although its more common outside the top10 than inside the top10 imho. This probally has alot to do with the recruitment policies mind you. 'Spies' from the top10 in my experiance normally fall into the "Im not active enough to play for my alliance, i will however join a more relaxed alliance and feed back anything my true alliance might find useful" but in those cases the useful info is often thin on the ground
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19 Apr 2006, 11:00
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Angels for life !
Join Date: Jul 2001
Posts: 4,269
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Re: Info please.
Quote:
Originally Posted by wakey
Do alliances still use spies: While your probally find no alliance admitting doesnt so it does go on, although its more common outside the top10 than inside the top10 imho. This probally has alot to do with the recruitment policies mind you. 'Spies' from the top10 in my experiance normally fall into the "Im not active enough to play for my alliance, i will however join a more relaxed alliance and feed back anything my true alliance might find useful" but in those cases the useful info is often thin on the ground
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Spies are far less efficient and usefull lately compared to a few rounds ago ... So a spy can enter an attack channel and see a set of scans without coords (most only release coords at LT) ... big deal ...
Also, I think every alliance channel has been relayed in the past and I believe most current channels are being relayed as we speak.
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19 Apr 2006, 13:08
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Bragpack™
Join Date: Nov 2004
Posts: 815
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Re: Info please.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Kjeldoran
Spies are far less efficient and usefull lately compared to a few rounds ago ... So a spy can enter an attack channel and see a set of scans without coords (most only release coords at LT) ... big deal ...
Also, I think every alliance channel has been relayed in the past and I believe most current channels are being relayed as we speak.
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19 Apr 2006, 13:18
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HR-HC (PA Addict)
Join Date: Aug 2005
Location: Near a Computer
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Re: Info please.
/me recalls all his spies. you'd be surprised how easily galaxies give away infomration.
Below is a copy from someones overview:
... Pm @PM4DefCall in #lch with full details ...
I leave it to you to have an opinion on this.
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19 Apr 2006, 13:24
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PA Team
Join Date: Jan 2002
Location: The Netherlands
Posts: 677
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Re: Info please.
Quote:
Originally Posted by [BA]Apoc
/me recalls all his spies. you'd be surprised how easily galaxies give away infomration.
Below is a copy from someones overview:
... Pm @PM4DefCall in #lch with full details ...
I leave it to you to have an opinion on this.
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I would be suprised if you had that on a top 5 alliance right now.
Do you think LCH needs to hide atm ? if you do think that wake up and smell the roses.
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19 Apr 2006, 13:26
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Angels for life !
Join Date: Jul 2001
Posts: 4,269
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Re: Info please.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Stoom
Nah only #angels.priv
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No you see, #angels.priv is our fake private channel to fool you spies
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19 Apr 2006, 13:53
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Fightin-irish for life
Join Date: Mar 2001
Location: guinness brewery
Posts: 2,177
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Re: Info please.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Kjeldoran
No you see, #angels.priv is our fake private channel to fool you spies
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dont tell them bout #fang so
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19 Apr 2006, 14:29
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HR-HC (PA Addict)
Join Date: Aug 2005
Location: Near a Computer
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Re: Info please.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Ace
I would be suprised if you had that on a top 5 alliance right now.
Do you think LCH needs to hide atm ? if you do think that wake up and smell the roses.
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Jeez so hostile :P
No i don't expect a top 5 alliance to be that blatent, but it was an extreme example of what people put on gal overviews. Read it in context ... and also why i choose someone not playing properly this round.
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19 Apr 2006, 16:49
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PA Team
Join Date: Jan 2002
Location: The Netherlands
Posts: 677
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Re: Info please.
Quote:
Originally Posted by [BA]Apoc
Jeez so hostile :P
No i don't expect a top 5 alliance to be that blatent, but it was an extreme example of what people put on gal overviews. Read it in context ... and also why i choose someone not playing properly this round.
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Who said we are not playing properly this round ?
We are only not playing like all other alliances.
And to get back to what you posted first, I know the HR ppl in that gal too with all details
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19 Apr 2006, 16:57
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Ron Burgundy
Join Date: Jul 2004
Location: A glass case of emotion
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Re: Info please.
forum intel wars
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19 Apr 2006, 17:08
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PA Team
Join Date: Jan 2002
Location: The Netherlands
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Re: Info please.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Proxi
forum intel wars
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LOL doubt it will ever happen
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19 Apr 2006, 17:10
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Stolen
Join Date: Nov 2001
Location: Sweden
Posts: 487
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Re: Info please.
I believe even the fake nicking have decreased over the rounds, nowadays people seems not to bother if they reveal themselves; true or false - good or bad?
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19 Apr 2006, 17:22
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Avenger of Calamari
Join Date: Aug 2003
Location: Alberta, Canada
Posts: 939
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Re: Info please.
I fake nick in our gal channel all the time. Noone can suspect my true identity etc.
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19 Apr 2006, 18:45
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Registered Awesome Person
Join Date: Jul 2002
Posts: 5,676
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Re: Info please.
LCH have always published PM4DEFCALL, they've been one of the few (if not the only) top alliances that doesn't hide itself.
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19 Apr 2006, 18:52
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Banned
Join Date: May 2001
Location: Further to the right
Posts: 19,441
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Re: Info please.
Quote:
Originally Posted by furball
LCH have always published PM4DEFCALL, they've been one of the few (if not the only) top alliances that doesn't hide itself.
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19 Apr 2006, 18:55
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Ron Burgundy
Join Date: Jul 2004
Location: A glass case of emotion
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Re: Info please.
Ascenawho?
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19 Apr 2006, 19:00
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Registered User
Join Date: May 2005
Posts: 260
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Re: Info please.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Proxi
Ascenawho?
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That one made me laugh.
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19 Apr 2006, 19:01
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Banned
Join Date: Jul 2003
Location: ******
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Re: Info please.
Quote:
Originally Posted by furball
LCH have always published PM4DEFCALL, they've been one of the few (if not the only) top alliances that doesn't hide itself.
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My galaxy channel for the first 600-700 ticks or so last round had 30 people in it, among them 1up and Elysium HC (that weren't in the gal). Idimmu organized galraids in the topic, until it started annoying some of the regulars and we moved to another channel.
Last edited by Banned; 21 Apr 2006 at 16:16.
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19 Apr 2006, 19:09
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Banned
Join Date: May 2001
Location: Further to the right
Posts: 19,441
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Re: Info please.
I announced my planet name pre-round in a public, semi-official PA channel with 40 odd people in it
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19 Apr 2006, 19:31
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Paranoid Android
Join Date: Jul 2000
Location: Hell
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Re: Info please.
We had our first security breach today when an HC revealed himself to his BP...
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19 Apr 2006, 21:19
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Banned
Join Date: Feb 2006
Location: no where near you
Posts: 177
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Re: Info please.
Quote:
Originally Posted by JonnyBGood
I announced my planet name pre-round in a public, semi-official PA channel with 40 odd people in it
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I thought it was lokken all round ;/ you broke my hopes and dreams when "JBG" appeared. EVIL!
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19 Apr 2006, 23:31
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Banned
Join Date: May 2001
Location: Further to the right
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Re: Info please.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Gimmick
I thought it was lokken all round ;/ you broke my hopes and dreams when "JBG" appeared. EVIL!
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20 Apr 2006, 01:27
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InSomniac
Join Date: Aug 2004
Location: Durham, England
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Re: Info please.
the most effective position to be a spy, rather than intel officer, is clearly a DC
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20 Apr 2006, 01:53
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Join Date: Nov 2001
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Re: Info please.
I change my nick, then I pm people and ask for coords.
Sometimes it works.
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20 Apr 2006, 04:18
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Bona Fide Jesus Freak
Join Date: Jan 2005
Location: In the Word of the Lord
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Re: Info please.
I just buy my coords off ebay.
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20 Apr 2006, 07:28
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Registered User
Join Date: Dec 2003
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Re: Info please.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mek
the most effective position to be a spy, rather than intel officer, is clearly a DC
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I nominate a scanner
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20 Apr 2006, 20:22
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Join Date: May 2001
Location: Sept 2057
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Re: Info please.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Banned
My galaxy channel for the first 600-700 ticks or so last round had 30 people in it, among them 1up and Elysium HC (that wasn't in the gal). Idimmu organized galraids in the topic, until it started annoying some of the regulars and we moved to another channel.
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That was the best gal chan ever.
Whenever I came in late or drunk and missed ely targets, I always followed after you lot for free roids.
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20 Apr 2006, 21:02
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This is bat country
Join Date: Nov 2003
Location: Norway
Posts: 1,693
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Re: Info please.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Travler
I just buy my coords off ebay.
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The only people who sell stuff on ebay worship satan.
Do you worship satan?
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20 Apr 2006, 21:13
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th0ng gimp
Join Date: Feb 2001
Location: somewhere in th0ngland
Posts: 1,798
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Re: Info please.
Quote:
Originally Posted by I am Idler
The only people who sell stuff on ebay worship satan.
Do you worship satan?
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Its worse he BOUGHT his co ords (not sold) so he must worship....... DAVID ICKE!!!!!
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25 Apr 2006, 08:07
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Adelante
Join Date: Mar 2001
Posts: 855
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Re: Info please.
Quote:
Originally Posted by NitinA
I covert-op someone until they mail me their IRC nick.
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25 Apr 2006, 09:07
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Sorry, Chicken...
Join Date: Dec 2004
Posts: 87
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Re: Info please.
alliances do gal raids with 20-30 ppl participating, 1 idiot didnt hide his nick, so everybody "knows" that the other 20-30 participants also are from same ally.
thats how you gather intel these days.
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25 Apr 2006, 13:21
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Drink is Good
Join Date: Sep 2004
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Re: Info please.
Quote:
Originally Posted by shik
alliances do gal raids with 20-30 ppl participating, 1 idiot didnt hide his nick, so everybody "knows" that the other 20-30 participants also are from same ally.
thats how you gather intel these days.
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25 Apr 2006, 13:36
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Most unimportant guy...
Join Date: Oct 2000
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Re: Info please.
Best way to gain intel imo is by getting some nick throguh members with buddypacks. They report whoever defends theese players. U give theese defenders som incs and see who defends them...keep it going till u got em all.
eventually only people without defpoint stay hidden. This is why Alki is so hard to find :/
-Jonas-
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25 Apr 2006, 13:45
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Drink is Good
Join Date: Sep 2004
Posts: 2,122
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Re: Info please.
also there is not best way, there is a string of thinigs you need to do to gain sufficient intel
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25 Apr 2006, 13:51
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PA Team
Join Date: Jan 2002
Location: The Netherlands
Posts: 677
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Re: Info please.
Quote:
Originally Posted by shik
*snip*
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Nothing to do with the info you passed here just with your sig.
You where NOT right
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25 Apr 2006, 14:31
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Angels for life !
Join Date: Jul 2001
Posts: 4,269
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Re: Info please.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Jonas
eventually only people without defpoint stay hidden. This is why Alki is so hard to find :/
-Jonas-
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1 May 2006, 22:43
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The Original Carebear
Join Date: Nov 2004
Location: Trondheim, Norway
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Re: Info please.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Jonas
Best way to gain intel imo is by getting some nick throguh members with buddypacks. They report whoever defends theese players. U give theese defenders som incs and see who defends them...keep it going till u got em all.
eventually only people without defpoint stay hidden. This is why Alki is so hard to find :/
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Alki hard to find?
He's the only person to send mails to "Entire Galaxy", instead of "Entire Alliance", and sign it with his nick that I know of. How hard can it get?
(<3 Alki)
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1 May 2006, 23:32
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Registered Awesome Person
Join Date: Jul 2002
Posts: 5,676
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Re: Info please.
Quote:
Originally Posted by qebab
Alki hard to find?
He's the only person to send mails to "Entire Galaxy", instead of "Entire Alliance", and sign it with his nick that I know of. How hard can it get?
(<3 Alki)
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2 May 2006, 00:03
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PA Team
Join Date: Oct 2003
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Re: Info please.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Kjeldoran
Spies are far less efficient and usefull lately compared to a few rounds ago ... So a spy can enter an attack channel and see a set of scans without coords (most only release coords at LT) ... big deal ...
Also, I think every alliance channel has been relayed in the past and I believe most current channels are being relayed as we speak.
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In round 12 I was a DC + scanner for LCH, MISTU and Insomnia.
Unfortunately, only MISTU knew this
I got bored after a week
Round 11, despite us telling LCH to scramble co-ords until LT, about 30 minutes after their TP session each day we'd know their target galaxies.
It is very possible in most alliances to work out co-ords - many alliances group by galaxy. MISTU used to randomise roids, score and value, take multiple galaxies. Otherwise you can search for galaxies with ~ that amount of roids / score, with the races mentioned (races are a huge giveaway and very handy on dumps) and so on .. even without it, you can guess down to ~3-4 planets which planet is which.
I believe 1up submit their fleets and get BCs to organise attacks or something, so they have a far lower chance of getting leaks. Otherwise, well, anyone with a bit of time can get it close.
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Up The Hatters!
Join Date: Nov 2004
Location: Kenilworth Road
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Re: Info please.
Quote:
Originally Posted by furball
Unfortunatly I did that last round too
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2 May 2006, 09:52
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Drink is Good
Join Date: Sep 2004
Posts: 2,122
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Re: Info please.
Quote:
Originally Posted by qebab
Alki hard to find?
He's the only person to send mails to "Entire Galaxy", instead of "Entire Alliance", and sign it with his nick that I know of. How hard can it get?
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Can we please have a moment of silence...........
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3 May 2006, 11:35
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Ex-Head Multihunter
Join Date: Sep 2003
Location: At home
Posts: 900
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Re: Info please.
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Originally Posted by furball
LCH have always published PM4DEFCALL, they've been one of the few (if not the only) top alliances that doesn't hide itself.
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Wrong
Only ppl not haveing a fake nick dont hide. That would only release the def channel too early
Sometimes ppl leak that they are LCH anyways, and dont think smart, In those cases they also do not get a defchannel
Thats the logical explanation.
About the original question: coords leak out pretty fast. Usually, the LCH intel department got 2-5 coords list from ingame form spies within 1-1.5 week. And the galaxy status members give intel dept. give a lot of info too.
And in the case of a not to be mentioned alliance ( ), their defchannel were registered to their HCs :P
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