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Unread 11 Jun 2006, 15:15   #51
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Re: Account on Planetarion Forums locked out

maybe he can use his ninja skills to get to the idi account though
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Re: Account on Planetarion Forums locked out

My situation 8 Jun 2006 22:40 idimmu

I didn't do this What a lame reason to hack forum accounts, to give yourself more rep.
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Re: Account on Planetarion Forums locked out

You'd rather he had taken control of your account instead? It would have been trivial to lock you out. I very much doubt he repped himself because he cared, he was probably just having a bit of lighthearted fun.
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Re: Account on Planetarion Forums locked out

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You'd rather he had taken control of your account instead?
I think the preference would be for him to have done nothing at all.

Come on, you can't possibly think "It could have been worse" is some sort of defence. "Hey I could have posted 30 porn links but instead I only posted one!"
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Re: Account on Planetarion Forums locked out

You missed the context of the remark I was responding to.
Hicks was suggesting the breakin was specifically in order to increase his reputation level. I was suggesting it wasn't, and as with most omghax was probably just done out of interest and "because I can."
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I very much doubt he repped himself because he cared, he was probably just having a bit of lighthearted fun.
The problem with pos repping yourself is that it looks a lot like you do care.
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Re: Account on Planetarion Forums locked out

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The problem with pos repping yourself is that it looks a lot like you do care.
That's what he'd want you to think!
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Re: Account on Planetarion Forums locked out

maybe he's hacked these accounts to soe the seeds of doubt among the gd populus.

He's taking over!
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Re: Account on Planetarion Forums locked out

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maybe he's hacked these accounts to soe the seeds of doubt among the gd populus.

He's taking over!
what do you mean "taking"? He's already in charge!
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Re: Account on Planetarion Forums locked out

then how can I trust you, maybe you're one of him too!
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Re: Account on Planetarion Forums locked out

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When is the anonymous rep being taken away? JJ said on Thursday heh.
Seems to have been TOTALLY glossed over by the mods. there isnt even an announcement anymore. Care to explain, anyone?
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Re: Account on Planetarion Forums locked out

I would have given him posrep anyways !

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Re: Account on Planetarion Forums locked out

JJ's been away lately. We're warming up the red hot poker of ass lovin' to remind him about that. However, the current situation is a priority.
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Re: Account on Planetarion Forums locked out

im still not seeing the point in banning idi
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Re: Account on Planetarion Forums locked out

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Seems to have been TOTALLY glossed over by the mods. there isnt even an announcement anymore. Care to explain, anyone?
There's a shiny new announcement at the top of every forum advising everyone to change their password.
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Re: Account on Planetarion Forums locked out

Its still in discussion about the rep thing. I delayed the timings so i could talk it over for longer with the mods and come to some kind of decision. Plus a hack i need to install I currently cannot because of some issue with pirate.

Until that is resolved and the discussion has taken place i removed the announcement as it placed a timeframe that was no longer relevant


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My password is 13 characters long and is a combination of letters, numbers and non-alphanumerical characters
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Delete thread.

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Re: Account on Planetarion Forums locked out

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My password is 13 characters long and is a combination of letters, numbers and non-alphanumerical characters
That's entirely irrelevant actually.
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My password is 13 characters long and is a combination of letters, numbers and non-alphanumerical characters
It makes no difference. If you havnt changed it recently then do so now to a different combination of 13 letters numbers and non alphanumerical charachters.

The accounts were accessed no matter what password you had. It wasnt a brute force.
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Re: Account on Planetarion Forums locked out

are you actually telling us all to change our passwords?

That's quite annoying
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Re: Account on Planetarion Forums locked out

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The accounts were accessed no matter what password you had. It wasnt a brute force.
So you're saying he had complete access to the forums database?

If he did, he would not know what my password is. It would take a computer literally years to run through rainbow tables and try to crack the hash. Considering the password is encrypted with the md5 algorithm, it's too likely that it also has a salted hash applied as well (which means 2 hashes mixed into one).

It's not impossible but due to the strength of my password to begin with and the fact it doesn't exist in any wordlist, it would literally take him along time to get my password.

If he didn't and you're saying it wasn't brute force then I'm surprised. There's a certain program that can generate wordlists and then it's a simple case of writing some Perl and downloading the memberlist and using the Perl to do the job of trying the combinations.
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It makes no difference how wonderful your password was, he had access to your account. Just change it.
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It wasn't a question of getting the password. If you had a password and hadn't changed it he had it.
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how the fck did he manage that then? i thought the passwords were incrypted and noone knew them or <insert technocrap>
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The lack of actual information in this thread is just super.

I am led to believe that Idi hacked the forum using witchcraft or some form of dark magic.
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You need to phone scooby doo and the gang before we tell you although id imagine someone else will probably explain how it was done.



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You need to phone scooby doo and the gang before we tell you although id imagine someone else will probably explain how it was done.



It involves a candle, some cotton buds and a piece of cheese.


pa never had any security to begin with, entering passwords was an attempt to keep the truth from getting widely known, idi found out and now hes been banned and you asked us to change the passwords to put the cloak of conspiracy back where it was.


but seriously im intriged if pws didn't matter why do we need to bother changing them now, answers on a pm
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As basically as it is possible to explain idi literally had a list of everyone's passwords. However he cannot get a new updated list so change them and he can't access your account.
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As basically as it is possible to explain idi literally had a list of everyone's passwords. However he cannot get a new updated list so change them and he can't access your account.

...i thought the password list was itself incrypted


idis was far 13373R than we gave him credit for, although changing passwords is a pain.
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...i thought the password list was itself incrypted


idis was far 13373R than we gave him credit for, although changing passwords is a pain.
Yeah but due to some shit thing in vb I don't understand while he can't actually see your password the encrypted thingamy allowed him to access accounts.
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It's like having the key but not being able to look at it!
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Wait, so he didn't actually have access to our passwords, just their hashes?
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Is it simply a case of a SQL injection? Or just a case of him taking a hash and using javascript to create a cookie and login based on that hash?

Like I said, there's no way in hell he would know what the password actually is unless he knew the salted hash (as then the clear text password wouldn't be too hard to figure out).
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Wait, so he didn't actually have access to our passwords, just their hashes?
Something like that.






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Is it simply a case of a SQL injection? Or just a case of him taking a hash and using javascript to create a cookie and login based on that hash?

Like I said, there's no way in hell he would know what the password actually is unless he knew the salted hash (as then the clear text password wouldn't be too hard to figure out).
That couldn't have made less sense to me if you'd written it in Mandarin.
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Well wasn't that clever of him =(
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If I was to make use of an SQL Injection it means I can insert/execute commands directly into the database - for example in a url I could do
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pirate.pa.forum/index.php?par=2%20UNION%20SELECT%20null,null,null,null,null,null,password,null%20FROM%20cws_members%20WHERE%20member_id=1
It's powerful enough that I can bypass the actual login process based on a hash and its associated memberid - and thus, gain complete access to a forum.
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I'm fairly sure that's not what he did.
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Is that not defeated by just using mysql_real_escape_string on the input? I'd be concerned if something as far along as VBB didn't validate user input all the time, though I guess there can be odd things that might get missed.
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Is that not defeated by just using mysql_real_escape_string on the input? I'd be concerned if something as far along as VBB didn't validate user input all the time, though I guess there can be odd things that might get missed.
A lot of people make mods - for example, like an article script or something. Because of that mod/script, it opens up room for a command to be inserted through 'that' particular page.

Metacharacters like ' and ( are used to bypass protections (until patches come out).

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Re: Account on Planetarion Forums locked out

I'm not sure JJ and JBG being the forum admins technical representatives in a thread like this is a good idea.
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I'm not sure JJ and JBG being the forum admins technical representatives in a thread like this is a good idea.
I said that ages ago.




And my solution you ask?







Idi for technical admin I said
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That couldn't have made less sense to me if you'd written it in Mandarin.
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這簡單地是 射入的事例嗎? 或事例他採取回鍋碎肉和使用 語言創造曲奇餅和註冊根據那回鍋碎肉? 如我說, 沒有方式在他會知道的地獄實際上是什麼密碼除非他知道鹽味
Now I'm to understand from your posts that he did have the passwords but he didn't have them at all! Which is to say he had them but couldn't see them. Which is to say he didn't have them at all really and could simply access peoples accounts based on some flaw in the forum. Now assuming the flaw has been fixed, this leads me to the question, why should we change our passwords?

Is it because this list (which he can't see) still exists independently of the forum? And in fixing the flaw you have simply prevented people from obtaining another such list?
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Now I'm to understand from your posts that he did have the passwords but he didn't have them at all! Which is to say he had them but couldn't see them. Which is to say he didn't have them at all really and could simply access peoples accounts based on some flaw in the forum. Now assuming the flaw has been fixed, this leads me to the question, why should we change our passwords?

Is it because this list (which he can't see) still exists independently of the forum? And in fixing the flaw you have simply prevented people from obtaining another such list?
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Re: Account on Planetarion Forums locked out

There's another possibility.

With all vBulletins, there's a part of it to backup the database. This includes usernames, encrypted passwords etc. If a certain admin hadn't deleted this backup file (upgrade1.php) then yeah, it's not helpful.

I can't think of anything other sql injection, getting an admin's password, getting an admin's hash (which is easy, just by getting an admin to click on any URL, even if it's just an image), or by some other form of XSS (cross-site scripting).
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Re: Account on Planetarion Forums locked out

Why did everyone get emails saying they'd been locked out due to 5 unsuccessful login attempts is he had the password?
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Those were people who had changed their password I believe.
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