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Unread 12 May 2005, 18:36   #1
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I Love This Man

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/4541377.stm

Let me paraphrase his latest comment on the governments ability:

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Please GOD will the Government stop passing stupid laws in order to gain votes from facists which have so far done nothing more than bugger up the Criminal Justice System
I love Harry

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odd paraprasing there, wasn't the same as what i read...

but heh, anyone called Lord Woolf has to be ace.
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with Harry you have to read between the lines

the wonderful thing about harry is that its not very difficult to read between his lines.
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Actually, that is what he's saying. I can understand that it's harder for non-native speakers to be able to spot it though. It's hidden in what he's saying - it's basically this:

'Facists' are more interested in punitive sentencing than rehabilitiationist sentencing. However, he believes that unless you can re-integrate offenders back into society, they will only offend again once they are released.

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"If an offender is returned to society at the end of his sentence with increased skills, a job to go to and accommodation, the risk of that offender reoffending is significantly reduced," he added.
Like so.


EDIT: ok, Yahwe got there first
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with Harry you have to read between the lines

the wonderful thing about harry is that its not very difficult to read between his lines.
Here's another British judge for who the same applied

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"In summertime village cricket is a delight to everyone. Nearly every village has its own cricket field where the young men play and the old men watch. In the village of Lintz in the County of Durham they have their own ground, where they have played these last 70 years. They tend it well. The wicket area is well rolled and mown. The outfield is kept short. It has a good clubhouse for the players and seats for the onlookers. The village team plays there on Saturdays and Sundays. They belong to a league, competing with the neighbouring villages. On other evenings they practice while the light lasts.

Yet now after these 70 years a judge of the High Court has ordered that they must not play anymore. He has issued an injunction to stop them. He has done it at the instance of a newcomer who is no lover of cricket. This newcomer has built, or has had built for him, a house on the edge of the cricket ground which four years ago was a field where cattle grazed. The animals did not mind the cricket, but now this adjoining field has been turned into a housing estate. The newcomer bought one of the houses on the edge of the cricket field. No doubt the open space was a selling point. Now he complains that when a batsman hits a six the ball has been known to land in his garden or on or near his house. His wife has got so upset about it that they always go out at weekends. They do not go into the garden when cricket is being played. They say that this is intolerable. So they asked the judge to stop the cricket being played. And the judge, much against his will, has felt that he must order the cricket to be stopped: with the consequence, I suppose, that the Lintz Cricket Club will disappear. The cricket ground will be turned to some other use. I expect for houses or a factory. The young men will turn to other things instead of cricket. The whole village will be much poorer. And all this because of a newcomer who has just bought a house there next to the cricket ground."

Miller v. Jackson (1977) Q.B. 966, 976.
Can anyone guess who he found in favour of?
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Nonentity, i am a native speaker. Yahwe's paraphrase was just taking it too far, your paraphrase is much more suitable. I just found it odd because Yahwe tries to be pedantic about accuracy.

Its not really fascist, its authoritarian.
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Is he the one that wants to reduce the prison population by freeing the thieves instead of the innocent people (drug users/dealers/etc).
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Nonentity, i am a native speaker. Yahwe's paraphrase was just taking it too far, your paraphrase is much more suitable. I just found it odd because Yahwe tries to be pedantic about accuracy.

Its not really fascist, its authoritarian.
the only failing in my paraphrase, or 'translation'

is that harry normally uses more swear words
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Here's another British judge for who the same applied



Can anyone guess who he found in favour of?
tom denning is over rated

thanks to brilliant vanity and self publicity
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I build houses next to factories and complain about the pollution.
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tom denning is over rated

thanks to brilliant vanity and self publicity
I was merely commenting that his judgements were very readable, and often you could spot which way he was going to go simply by the tone of his opening few paragraphs. Not always. But often.

As for him being over-rated, I'm not going to offer an opinion since I can't really compare him to other judges (i.e. I don't know enough about them). But I do find him fascinating, no matter what his faults.
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Why don't you build factories next to houses and then laugh at the pollution, safe in the knowledge that bourgeois justice will protect you from being hanged as an enemy of the proletariat, as you deserve to be?
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I was merely commenting that his judgements were very readable, and often you could spot which way he was going to go simply by the tone of his opening few paragraphs. Not always. But often.

there's no man more appreciated than he who goes off topic within a handful of posts.

and BIG SHOCKER you can usually tell the judge's decision from his judgement. its kind of what they try and do.
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Maybe (im just thinking aloud) all those people who go on to reooffend just go on to reoffend because they're ****s and not because of any reformation system placed on them.
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I'm pretty sure if you gave them all a billion dollars they wouldn't reoffend as much. This lends some credence to the idea that if they have a stable life to enter into when they leave the prison system they're less likely to commit more crimes.
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Maybe (im just thinking aloud) all those people who go on to reooffend just go on to reoffend because they're ****s and not because of any reformation system placed on them.
well some of us, like Ld Woolf accept that they weren't born shits

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Unread 12 May 2005, 20:13   #20
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I'm not proposing anything of the sort. I'm pointing out a fact.
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This thread is now officially about horse shit and clownshoes.
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How cool would it be to be called Lord Woolf.
Sweet Lord above that would rock.

Good thread.
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