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12 Dec 2010, 12:44
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Re: Congratulations Apprime, HaSu and 7:6
I disagree. I don't think Ascendancy's actions were dumb, we just couldn't manoeuvre alliances around to create an interesting round. It means we failed, no denying there, it might even make us annoying, lazy, past our prime, shit, etc, but it doesn't make us dumb.
As for CT, I'd say they were a little oversensitive about Imperia's recruitment policy, just like Imperia were a little short-sighted as to how their recruitment policy would affect other alliances' attitude towards them. Regardless, CT's (and ND's, to a lesser extent) actions are among the main reasons of why you never thought you could aim for #1, even if you beat them in the end.
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The outraged poets threw sticks and rocks over the side of the bridge. They were all missing Mary and he felt a contented smug feeling wash over him. He would have given them a coy little wave if the roof hadn't collapsed just then. Mary then found himself in the middle of an understandably shocked family's kitchen table. So he gave them the coy little wave and realized it probably would have been more effective if he hadn't been lying on their turkey.
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12 Dec 2010, 12:48
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Re: Congratulations Apprime, HaSu and 7:6
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Originally Posted by Firebird
Trusted please eablorate on what we actually did that was untrustworthy?? Broke a NAP with ASC and told them that we wanted to stay neutral towards them which we would have so that we could fight our war with ND/CT so please tell me what did we do that was so untrustworthy ?
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Wait a min here! Ended a Non Aggression Pact to say you wanted to be neutral? If you end a non aggression pact you are automatically saying you intend to be aggressive, a NAP is actually a guarantee of neutrality.
PA tends to take it as something partisan but it shouldnt be; our NAP with Imperia had not, at the time it was broken, lead to any unified hostile actions against Apprime so was actually operating as it should, a guarantee of neutrality between our two allies.
However in the triangular politics that there was the idea that any two would be neutral vis a vis each other is inherently worrying to the other, so as long as you had a NAP with us App couldnt stand for it, but equally the idea that you could maintain neutrality with us while in Apps good graces is laughable, all you are saying is you hoped for some utopian stability (read stagnation) between the top three that would avoid your fighting either, so basically stagnation was your one and only political goal.
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12 Dec 2010, 13:37
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Re: Congratulations Apprime, HaSu and 7:6
Well as i said the whole time i had no interest in napping anyone. Yes breaking the NAP was to remain neutral another way around that I suppose we could had NAPPED APP as well then that would have solved that.
Like MZ said ct/nd gave us constant incoming we are a new alliance and in that we dont know what we are capable of people that said they will DC never same with BC's, HC's never got a real grip of one another 1st rnd together i do not know Buddha/Titos from before this rnd.
We learnt allot this rnd internally as to what other allies think who care's never ever gonna please everyone
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12 Dec 2010, 16:25
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Save energy: Be apathetic
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Re: Congratulations Apprime, HaSu and 7:6
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Originally Posted by Firebird
Trusted please eablorate on what we actually did that was untrustworthy?? Broke a NAP with ASC and told them that we wanted to stay neutral towards them which we would have so that we could fight our war with ND/CT so please tell me what did we do that was so untrustworthy ?
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Napped Ascendancy with the purpose of attacking Apprime > got one night of incs from Apprime > dropped NAP with Ascendancy / napped Apprime / claimed you want to stay neutral.
At best, you are an unreliable alliance. At worst you have no backbone. Pick whichever one makes you feel better.
Also, arguments like "as i said the whole time i had no interest in napping anyone" don't work here. We napped Imperia, not Buddah or Titos.
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12 Dec 2010, 16:58
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Re: Congratulations Apprime, HaSu and 7:6
It's not even worth debating these points. If you enjoy good planetarion in terms of quality and entertainment this round can only fill you with disappointment. Everyone is responsible for that.
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12 Dec 2010, 17:08
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Re: Congratulations Apprime, HaSu and 7:6
Napped Ascendancy with the purpose of attacking Apprime > got one night of incs from Apprime > dropped NAP with Ascendancy / napped Apprime / claimed you want to stay neutral.
Try getting it correct we did not nap app at all that night after the incoming what we did do was get rid of a nap which was agreed without all 3 HC talking to one another before it happened what i believe actually happened with app is that we told them we would stick to avoiding there heavy gals the same as we said we would do for you.
You talk about backbone if you were that willing to fight you should have fought till the very end rather than just giving up and coming for us
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12 Dec 2010, 17:17
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The Video Guy
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Re: Congratulations Apprime, HaSu and 7:6
Just out of curiosity - was this round worse than last round, for example?
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12 Dec 2010, 17:19
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Re: Congratulations Apprime, HaSu and 7:6
Trollers will say yes Kenny as it is fresh in their mind but i will say they were both =
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12 Dec 2010, 17:21
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The Video Guy
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Re: Congratulations Apprime, HaSu and 7:6
I didn't play this round so have only been able to go by the activity on AD, which has been shockingly poor. Maximum thread length = 3 pages. Wtf? Even I managed to get one up to 7 lol
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12 Dec 2010, 17:34
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Re: Congratulations Apprime, HaSu and 7:6
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Originally Posted by Firebird
Trollers will say yes Kenny as it is fresh in their mind but i will say they were both =
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This round was worse, last round at least came to a fight at the end.
Indeed actually had several engagements between the larger allies, this round had last rounds main problem, ie the top two allying, with even less fighting.
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12 Dec 2010, 17:50
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Re: Congratulations Apprime, HaSu and 7:6
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Originally Posted by Firebird
Trollers will say yes Kenny as it is fresh in their mind but i will say they were both =
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Hey, it would be great if you could refrain from accusing everyone who disagrees with you of trolling!
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The outraged poets threw sticks and rocks over the side of the bridge. They were all missing Mary and he felt a contented smug feeling wash over him. He would have given them a coy little wave if the roof hadn't collapsed just then. Mary then found himself in the middle of an understandably shocked family's kitchen table. So he gave them the coy little wave and realized it probably would have been more effective if he hadn't been lying on their turkey.
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12 Dec 2010, 19:03
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Re: Congratulations Apprime, HaSu and 7:6
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Originally Posted by Firebird
Try getting it correct we did not nap app at all that night after the incoming what we did do was get rid of a nap which was agreed without all 3 HC talking to one another before it happened
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Ricoshay
At best, you are an unreliable alliance.
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You can sort of see how he could come to that conclusion surely?
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You talk about backbone if you were that willing to fight you should have fought till the very end rather than just giving up and coming for us
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And you can't see how we might distrust you somewhat? We'd previously had that exact same arrangement and you'd ended up both hitting our heavy gals repeatedly and fcing our planets. I mean ****ing seriously.
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14 Dec 2010, 11:18
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Re: Congratulations Apprime, HaSu and 7:6
Seriously Imperia, stop blaming everyone else for your being the most chicken shit spineless alliance this game has ever seen.
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14 Dec 2010, 12:07
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Re: Congratulations Apprime, HaSu and 7:6
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Originally Posted by Buly
Seriously Imperia, stop blaming everyone else for your being the most chicken shit spineless alliance this game has ever seen.
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This round can be taken as a failure by most alliances (cept Apprime):
- Imperia for flagshipping and refusal to pick a fight
- Ascendancy for not being able to organise an opposition worth mentioning (still wondering why noone asked us ) and flagshipping HaSu in the end
- ND, CT refusal to participate in an opposition
- DLR, xVx for acting/cooperating too late regarding all the escorts hitting us
Also adding insult to injury:
- Servers for sucking seriously
- MHs for allowing lame donations to decide planet win
So I guess we have noone to blame but everyone for this lost round...
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14 Dec 2010, 12:28
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Re: Congratulations Apprime, HaSu and 7:6
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Originally Posted by Marka
- Ascendancy for not being able to organise an opposition worth mentioning (still wondering why noone asked us ) and flagshipping HaSu in the end
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Not saying we're not part of the blame, but why are we solely responsible for organising an opposition? Jugding by the last few rounds, I very much doubt we would be the clear winner if Apprime had been beaten. I'd say atleast Imperia, and probably ND too, are also responsible for organising an opposition.
As for the whole flagshipping thing, that wasn't really an ascendancy thing, more a couple of people deciding to do something. I think most of the members in ascendancy, atleast the older ones, thinks any kind of crashing is lame.
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14 Dec 2010, 13:50
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Re: Congratulations Apprime, HaSu and 7:6
Partially agree Marka, not totally though.
Main blame is on Imp, ND/CT should've done more to get them to fight instead of being stubborn horses arses. But then again, from what I hear, Imp were such shitbags that they weren't much to try with.
DLR/xVx etc, yes I sort of agree on that one. That's what you get for playing in a small tag, you can't do shit without being hugely threatened, hence really wanting to avoid anything like that. I overall think playing in a tag like that is a form of fencesitting.
Nothing to blame on App/Asc imo. Well played App, you are the toughest ally around atm. Asc, great you tried, I understand all your actions after you lost and nobody still did anything. It's not your job to rally the uni, should've mainly been Imp if they'd have any spine or balls at all.
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14 Dec 2010, 14:12
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mz.
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Re: Congratulations Apprime, HaSu and 7:6
Regarding small tags, I think the first round in 'recent' history in which this was an issue holds a clue about the solution. In the Ascendancy/xVx/BGs round (30?), the BGs very quickly realised that the two big tags could aesily outmuscle any single one of them. However, together they were a force to be reckoned with, pardon the cliche.
A similar arrangement could benefit xVx and DLR, and perhaps even the remnants of Ascendancy.
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The outraged poets threw sticks and rocks over the side of the bridge. They were all missing Mary and he felt a contented smug feeling wash over him. He would have given them a coy little wave if the roof hadn't collapsed just then. Mary then found himself in the middle of an understandably shocked family's kitchen table. So he gave them the coy little wave and realized it probably would have been more effective if he hadn't been lying on their turkey.
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14 Dec 2010, 14:48
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Join Date: Jun 2010
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Re: Congratulations Apprime, HaSu and 7:6
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Originally Posted by Buly
Main blame is on Imp, ND/CT should've done more to get them to fight instead of being stubborn horses arses. But then again, from what I hear, Imp were such shitbags that they weren't much to try with.
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Based on the fact that you built this entire statement on the phrase 'from what I hear', I guess I shouldn't be surprised that it comes across as a steaming bag of ignorant horseshit. I'm not going to sit here and say that Imperia wasn't to blame for some of the round stagnation but, seriously dude, do you have any idea what you're talking about?
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Round 13 - Angels - Boulevard of Broken Dreams - Rank 21
Round 16 - Ascendancy - when im gd im not gd of when im bad i suck - Rank 56
Round 28 - Ascendancy - The Olympic Glory of Michael Phelps - Rank 21
Round 38 - [NFI] - Boulevard of Broken Dreams - Rank 30
Round 39 - Imperia - Purdue of Boilermakers - Rank 59
Round 40 - xVx - An Shi Rebellion of the Tang Dynasty - Rank 2
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14 Dec 2010, 18:06
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h3ll's angels
Join Date: Nov 2006
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Re: Congratulations Apprime, HaSu and 7:6
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Originally Posted by Mzyxptlk
Regarding small tags, I think the first round in 'recent' history in which this was an issue holds a clue about the solution. In the Ascendancy/xVx/BGs round (30?), the BGs very quickly realised that the two big tags could aesily outmuscle any single one of them. However, together they were a force to be reckoned with, pardon the cliche.
A similar arrangement could benefit xVx and DLR, and perhaps even the remnants of Ascendancy.
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What does this mean?
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14 Dec 2010, 18:27
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Re: Congratulations Apprime, HaSu and 7:6
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Originally Posted by zebra
What does this mean?
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What I think mz is trying to say is, well, let's put it this way; when's the last time you had sex with another man?
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15 Dec 2010, 00:58
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Re: Congratulations Apprime, HaSu and 7:6
Buly go bash your head against. Seriously you know f all.
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15 Dec 2010, 13:44
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Re: Congratulations Apprime, HaSu and 7:6
j0j0 tnx
about app not backstabbin, our word means something and we take nap/alliance seriously till the end coz our friendship is as strong as our hostiliity. We hate other alliance pressuring us to drop a NAP. Tnx to our buddies ODDR (GREg) and HORDE(Korsan) who r reliable.
Peace out
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15 Dec 2010, 14:25
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Re: Congratulations Apprime, HaSu and 7:6
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Originally Posted by MaxMilliaN
j0j0 tnx
about app not backstabbin, our word means something and we take nap/alliance seriously till the end coz our friendship is as strong as our hostiliity.
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Was this a new thing you were trying out for r39? Because it's technically a bit early for new year's resolutions but I guess I can get behind the mentality.
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15 Dec 2010, 15:01
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Re: Congratulations Apprime, HaSu and 7:6
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Originally Posted by Mzyxptlk
Regarding small tags, I think the first round in 'recent' history in which this was an issue holds a clue about the solution. In the Ascendancy/xVx/BGs round (30?),
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Round 30 was the epic asc v omen round , the bg round was round 31
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15 Dec 2010, 21:17
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You've Seen The Light
Join Date: Nov 2008
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Re: Congratulations Apprime, HaSu and 7:6
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Originally Posted by Mzyxptlk
Regarding small tags, I think the first round in 'recent' history in which this was an issue holds a clue about the solution. In the Ascendancy/xVx/BGs round (30?), the BGs very quickly realised that the two big tags could aesily outmuscle any single one of them. However, together they were a force to be reckoned with, pardon the cliche.
A similar arrangement could benefit xVx and DLR, and perhaps even the remnants of Ascendancy.
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They wasnt really a force to be reckoned with, they vastly outnumbered Asc when added there numbers together but Asc could hold there own against them. It was only when it became xVx+BGs that Asc got absolutly pwned which isnt surprising as it was the whole universe vs Asc. When you've only got 2 full-tag alliances and they can easily pwn all the BG's together without even trying, it isnt really viable.
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15 Dec 2010, 21:51
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Re: Congratulations Apprime, HaSu and 7:6
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Originally Posted by Light
They wasnt really a force to be reckoned with, they vastly outnumbered Asc when added there numbers together but Asc could hold there own against them. It was only when it became xVx+BGs that Asc got absolutly pwned which isnt surprising as it was the whole universe vs Asc. When you've only got 2 full-tag alliances and they can easily pwn all the BG's together without even trying, it isnt really viable.
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It's been a long time, so I don't remember the specifics. However, I think we can both agree that 2 BGs working together will make more of an impact than 1 working solo.
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The outraged poets threw sticks and rocks over the side of the bridge. They were all missing Mary and he felt a contented smug feeling wash over him. He would have given them a coy little wave if the roof hadn't collapsed just then. Mary then found himself in the middle of an understandably shocked family's kitchen table. So he gave them the coy little wave and realized it probably would have been more effective if he hadn't been lying on their turkey.
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15 Dec 2010, 21:55
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You've Seen The Light
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Re: Congratulations Apprime, HaSu and 7:6
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Originally Posted by Mzyxptlk
It's been a long time, so I don't remember the specifics. However, I think we can both agree that 2 BGs working together will make more of an impact than 1 working solo.
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of course but then you've got the problem that bigger alliances are more likely to get annoyed at the offensive power of 2 BG's working together, and as such, will be more likely to retaliate and go to war against them (Where they can pwn them with sheer numbers).
The main point of a BG in my view, is that they go the round largely unnoticed. No-one really cares about them as they will never be fighting for alliance rank, and if they stay out of politics.. no-one will actively target them. They can get high scoring planets quiet easily and then its just down to the final week to hold onto the rankings they've managed to achieved as other alliances turn there focus from alliance rankings to planet rankings.
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16 Dec 2010, 01:16
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Re: Congratulations Apprime, HaSu and 7:6
On the other hand, xVx has been quite involved in politics without dying horribly. Getting owned by a block of superior numbers isn't an unavoidable consequence of engaging in politics. It's an unavoidable consequence of engaging in bad politics.
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The outraged poets threw sticks and rocks over the side of the bridge. They were all missing Mary and he felt a contented smug feeling wash over him. He would have given them a coy little wave if the roof hadn't collapsed just then. Mary then found himself in the middle of an understandably shocked family's kitchen table. So he gave them the coy little wave and realized it probably would have been more effective if he hadn't been lying on their turkey.
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