Vacation Mode - Whats the point?

[BoredOfThis]

This is quite topical atm, i am wondering what alliances are going to do about members who go into vac mode to avoid incc instead of sticking it out like men, they retreat like girls?

Allthough i doubt alliance HC's will do anything as some of them are in vac mode themselves! (lo RJ) but thats by-the-by. Wht purpose does a player in vac mode serve your alliance?


I mean, really.....

They get taken out of vac mode anyway in the last few days so its not as if vac mode will save their roids. Wheras their fleets could be used in the mean time for defending members

This game is about dignity, pride, honour and accomplishment.

Vac mode is a sore option


my 2 pence

[Cooling]

Im not sure if there is any dignity or pride to be gained in being roided into the ground and having your fleet shot to bits. At least i suppose that is how they percieve it.

You could easily argue that there is far more honour in fighting to the death.

We get these threads every round, and the debate usualy revolves around these two points.

Pragmatists vs Idealists.

[Kjeldoran]

vacatiomode should be used for what it's meant for, if someone goes on holiday for 2 weeks. When that person is gone, he has no use for the alliance either but atleast he can keep his roids and ships untill he gets back.

going into vacationm8 imo is pretty lame if it's used because you lost or something like that.

[Forest]

Originally Posted by BoredOfThis

Allthough i doubt alliance HC's will do anything as some of them are in vac mode themselves! (lo RJ) but thats by-the-by.

IN RealJames' def, he quit also for some real life reasons, and not to avoid incomming.

[Rumad]

At the end of the day the only people whining are the ones who can't steal there roids (with the exception of KJ who likes replying to most threads).

I don't think it matters who enters vac mode now.

[Jackal2112]

neh. i think its cool people go into vacaction mode. makes it easier to roid their galm8s

[Tis]

Originally Posted by Jackal2112

neh. i think its cool people go into vacaction mode. makes it easier to roid their galm8s

been there, done that, now we want the rest

[jvg]

Cant see any problem with going into Vacation Mode if u expect incoming. dont think alliances will do much some cant defence their members totally and they cant kick everyone, becuz there aint many good players out there ready to join ( hi small universe) . i would prolly do the same if i knew i would get a 32232 waves incoming next tick

[Hicks]

Please tell me you were only in Legion for Round 7 ?

[Wandows]

not sure what this is all about....

but in case you didn't know, there are ppl who actually go on vacation and have fun elsewhere without pa. When i am on vacation i wouldn't like to return to a dead planet .. so vacation mode isn't only used to run to safety (though the ppl that do are quite sad and i don't quite understand why they even "play" the game)

[jvg]

Originally Posted by Hicks

Please tell me you were only in Legion for Round 7 ?

Didn't stop silver city from going into vacation. Im just making the statement, if u cant see other ways out of losing many roids it might be a good tactic. IT might be impossible for your alliance and your friends to defence it.... It can be heavy work for your alliance aswell. not like everyone has uber 1337 1up as alliance
I meself have never gone into vacation for that reason i have found a way
been in legion two rounds still in legion playing swg =P

[Legator]

Originally Posted by Kjeldoran

vacatiomode should be used for what it's meant for, if someone goes on holiday for 2 weeks. When that person is gone, he has no use for the alliance either but atleast he can keep his roids and ships untill he gets back.

going into vacationm8 imo is pretty lame if it's used because you lost or something like that.

wow, i agree there with kj

if i would be hc i think they should be removed.

[cypher]

Originally Posted by Wandows

not sure what this is all about....

but in case you didn't know, there are ppl who actually go on vacation and have fun elsewhere without pa. When i am on vacation i wouldn't like to return to a dead planet .. so vacation mode isn't only used to run to safety (though the ppl that do are quite sad and i don't quite understand why they even "play" the game)

i can only say... LMAO.

[DrunkenViking]

i cant win, so if i manage to get really really fat i'd go into vacationmode just to annoy those who want my roids..... i mean, if i cant win, or my alliance cant win, why cant i be an arse?

tbh, if ppl want to go into vacationmode just to avoid being waved by ppl 3 times their value everytime they hit 1000 roids, i kinda understand them. Not saying its brave, however its less frustrating

tonight i'm gonna suicide my fleet, a little because i'm getting bored, but mostly because i'm moving on sunday and wont be able to get much online till round is over anyway.

[Axis_WLF]

Vacation is a valid tactic. It can force others to do things that could upset potential victory.

[AzureWrath]

running into vacation to avoid hostiles is a cowardly act. You're hurting your galaxy and your alliance.

[DrunkenViking]

a galaxy and alliance that cant get incs covered anyway?

indeed......

[Gerbie]

He's just frustrated about it.

"**** I can't get to those roids!"

[Legator]

Originally Posted by Wandows

not sure what this is all about....

but in case you didn't know, there are ppl who actually go on vacation and have fun elsewhere without pa. When i am on vacation i wouldn't like to return to a dead planet .. so vacation mode isn't only used to run to safety (though the ppl that do are quite sad and i don't quite understand why they even "play" the game)

he meant people who go into vac-mode because they fear they get incomings.

[AzureWrath]

Originally Posted by DrunkenViking

a galaxy and alliance that cant get incs covered anyway?

indeed......

what about those poor gal m8s who stick it out and dont go into vac?

Originally Posted by Gerbie

He's just frustrated about it.

"**** I can't get to those roids!"

yea, umm, frustrated. Whatever.

[Rumad]

Originally Posted by AzureWrath

what about those poor gal m8s who stick it out and dont go into vac?


yea, umm, frustrated. Whatever.

If your in the same alliance you will prolly all go into vac, if you aren't its there call, but at the end of the day its whatever you think is right.

I don't lke vac, but if someone is loosing loads of roids and wants a break to save there roids and score I don't see why anyone should be chastised for it.

1up are so big eventually they will get through for the roids.

If it was at a point earlier in the game were the battle was still to be fought you would have an argument, but lets face it the battles over now and ppl should be able to relax rather than covering incommngs every night.

[Dinobot]

I guess your traget went into Vac mode before you launched eh Dready

[Kal]

i allways thought a whole alliance/block going into vacation mode was quite fun, but maybe thats just me - certainly its really nice ot have 3 days off constant incs etc

[Leshy]

Originally Posted by cypher

i can only say... LMAO.

ha ha you were dead when we returned pwned lol etc

[cypher]

Originally Posted by Leshy

ha ha you were dead when we returned pwned lol etc

all the more fun to fight back i'm top 100 now btw... top 50 roidcount... how's your planet doing which actually used the vac mode ?

proving my point.. not using vac mode > vac mode

[cypher]

Originally Posted by Rumad

If your in the same alliance you will prolly all go into vac, if you aren't its there call, but at the end of the day its whatever you think is right.

I don't lke vac, but if someone is loosing loads of roids and wants a break to save there roids and score I don't see why anyone should be chastised for it.

1up are so big eventually they will get through for the roids.

If it was at a point earlier in the game were the battle was still to be fought you would have an argument, but lets face it the battles over now and ppl should be able to relax rather than covering incommngs every night.

it's been going on for a while... it has NOT just started... it started when 1up didn't win this round yet.... now cuz of all those vac moders it's basically won heh

[Rumad]

Originally Posted by cypher

it's been going on for a while... it has NOT just started... it started when 1up didn't win this round yet.... now cuz of all those vac moders it's basically won heh

what is "quite a while"?

Last week or so if so my comments stand. If you have valid proof of it happning say 2-3 weeks ago I will say "bad vaccers!" but apart from that stop whinging

We know you boys are in roid collection mode, but since you have won I think its a valid thing to do

[cypher]

i thought we were in killing enemy mode:P i hope so tbh my rank still sucks atm:P

even tho it's my first pax round:P

[Rumad]

Originally Posted by cypher

i thought we were in killing enemy mode:P i hope so tbh my rank still sucks atm:P

even tho it's my first pax round:P

You know this is the safest time to attack and if you're an efficient roider (like you are) you get good roids. Stop being a whiner like dreadnoob or will have to spank you

[Nadar]

Originally Posted by DrunkenViking

i cant win, so if i manage to get really really fat i'd go into vacationmode just to annoy those who want my roids..... i mean, if i cant win, or my alliance cant win, why cant i be an arse?

lmfao!

[Razorback]

Originally Posted by Kal

i allways thought a whole alliance/block going into vacation mode was quite fun, but maybe thats just me - certainly its really nice ot have 3 days off constant incs etc

isnt it sad if the pa mentor team or pateam advertises lameness or better the exploiting of an playersupport ingame feature to gain advantage or to pressure your enemy ? (this feature was meant for ppl who CANT play the game during their absence not for those who dont want to lose)

Certainly going into vacmode (and not only for 3 days) for no other reason than to remove yourself from the foodchain goes along the line of ppl going to the bathroom in a pokermatch when they are losing or playing the ball in the off etc etc. Commonly known as "foul" or "lame".
But as i said above its nice to see that advertised as "fun" if the loser bails out to save some rankings like in r9.

[Gerbie]

What you refer to in rnd 9 as lame actually ended a lame block and helped get the game back in motion. It's not a preferred tactic, but sometimes people don't have better options.

[Razorback]

Originally Posted by Gerbie

What you refer to in rnd 9 as lame actually ended a lame block and helped get the game back in motion. It's not a preferred tactic, but sometimes people don't have better options.

it didnt help up splitting a block. The block splitted cause of WP-Eclipse issues. Dont flattern yourself, nahrs vacmode had nothing to do with it.

The game is supposed to have a winner and a loser. Why does the loser need options apart from losing ?

R9 was a selfmade desaster for vvomm not only did they push other alliances to the limit by announcing their block but also gave ppl alot of space for dislike and hence united them by badmouthing and their own arrogance.
Like in r6 furgion you get what you ask for and its a shame that ppl who "deserve" it try to avoid and hide in lameness.

[Axis_WLF]

has anyone NOT wanting roids complained about peeps going into vacation mode yet?

[BoredOfThis]

Originally Posted by Axis_WLF

has anyone NOT wanting roids complained about peeps going into vacation mode yet?

Who doesnt want roids in PA?

[Axis_WLF]

Lots of peeps want them. The question is who are they going to attack now to get them?

[BoredOfThis]

Originally Posted by Axis_WLF

Lots of peeps want them. The question is who are they going to attack now to get them?

The gal/alliance mates the people in vac mode abandoned.

[Axis_WLF]

Perhaps they will go into vacation mode to.

[BoredOfThis]

Originally Posted by Axis_WLF

Perhaps they will go into vacation mode to.

Thats why its lame: see topic

[jvg]

Originally Posted by BoredOfThis

Thats why its lame: see topic

the game allows this so... dont hate the player hate the game =P and i cant see a way they cant forbid it that easy tbh
i agree with axis on this one.

[Axis_WLF]

I never said it was not lame, I just said it was valid.

[Hicks]

I'd like to think back in the day any Legion who dived into vacation mode and left their alliance mates to die would have been swiftly kicked Axis, I know that it’s valid but it’s still lame. This was always the policy in Fury and I'm sure the same stands for 1up, there should never be an excuse for people being cowards, I'd rather lose my entire fleet and all my asteroids saving my friends rather than go into vacation and protect bits of information in a database. Abuse of vacation mode is stupid, just delete your account if you don't care.

Also the break up of WEET in R9 was nothing to do with NAR going in vacation mode. It was caused by Wolfpack/Eclipse tension, nothing to do with you clown heads, if Wolfpack and ourselves had got on we'd have probably roided you into the ground for the rest of the round.

[Kal]

Originally Posted by Razorback

it didnt help up splitting a block. The block splitted cause of WP-Eclipse issues. Dont flattern yourself, nahrs vacmode had nothing to do with it.

The game is supposed to have a winner and a loser. Why does the loser need options apart from losing ?

R9 was a selfmade desaster for vvomm not only did they push other alliances to the limit by announcing their block but also gave ppl alot of space for dislike and hence united them by badmouthing and their own arrogance.
Like in r6 furgion you get what you ask for and its a shame that ppl who "deserve" it try to avoid and hide in lameness.

the block was goign to split at some point that much was evident, us going into vacation mode probably didn;t affect it, but it did give us some time to recover phyiscally and mentally and just have some fun. This game is about having fun - that is why someone plays a game, being bashed constantly is not fun - and in that we only went for 3 days off or so I don;t really see the problem - its also why i'm in favour of a fixed break in the middle of the round. It is very hard to keep up a high standard of play for a whole round withotu neglecting other parts of your life.

[Razorback]

Originally Posted by Kal

the block was goign to split at some point that much was evident, us going into vacation mode probably didn;t affect it, but it did give us some time to recover phyiscally and mentally and just have some fun. This game is about having fun - that is why someone plays a game, being bashed constantly is not fun - and in that we only went for 3 days off or so I don;t really see the problem - its also why i'm in favour of a fixed break in the middle of the round. It is very hard to keep up a high standard of play for a whole round withotu neglecting other parts of your life.

dont try to hide the real intentions. You guys went into vacation mode to be lame and to force a split not because you needed a recovery. Atleast thats what you advertised all over the place and especially ppl with bigger planets were the first to run.
Sadly its a matter of fact that your alliance went only in vacmode because half your members abandoned you (those in mixed gals).

Favouring a break in the middle is a totally different story and ive not seen yet a good idea for it, especially since "the middle" is not determined by time but by the path of the rounds progress. So it will be hard to determine when its right to have a halftime and when not.

P.S. its rediculous that nahr needed a halftime break after 1 week of incomings. Vvoom got beaten by them and weet for a month straight and noone cared. Especially considering nahr was always the loudest voice in favour of bashing and on and on. Intention was clearly not bring a split (as they knew they would lose).
So dont make up lame excuses if anyone the vvomm ppl should have vacmoded and that right from the start. What they did partly but not nahr, they just joined the bandwagon in a vain hope to get a better position themself and to sort thier internal and coordination problems by exploiting an ingame feature out of pure lameness (to create boredom for the winning fraction so they would split up and would give more players to your cause).

[alch]

i think that people going into a vacation without a reason ( i mean getting a whole alliance going onto vacation its not really a real vacation but some lame tricks) should be reopened or even some deleted, as i think , its somehow a false use of a features in a game to take advantage of other players in the game. which mean somehow "cheating".

my 2 cents

Any action in game intended to let one account gain score at
the direct cost of another with the main intend being the score
gain for the one account. Any such action will be regarded as a
breach of this agreement, and is punishable by various
punitive measures(2).

wirk this around, and you will see that if people get to vacation, they do gain score at direct cost of other, by not being targetable planet in attention and their score are being fixed while other loose score.
my point is if its done massively and for a clear purpose who wasnt the initial idea, close the planet or unvacation mode him.

[Axis_WLF]

<---would never go into vacation mode. Just the peeps bickering calling it abuse etc, I said its valid meaning legal, able to use etc etc.

Vacation mode IS lame, dishonorable, greedy and much more. Anyone in Legion going into vacation mode WOULD be swiftly kicked as their of no use to an alliance in vacation mode. Heh dont compare me to them, as I just said it was valid cause of the whiners saying everything as close to the cheat word as possible.

[Kal]

Originally Posted by alch

i think that people going into a vacation without a reason ( i mean getting a whole alliance going onto vacation its not really a real vacation but some lame tricks) should be reopened or even some deleted, as i think , its somehow a false use of a features in a game to take advantage of other players in the game. which mean somehow "cheating".

my 2 cents




wirk this around, and you will see that if people get to vacation, they do gain score at direct cost of other, by not being targetable planet in attention and their score are being fixed while other loose score.
my point is if its done massively and for a clear purpose who wasnt the initial idea, close the planet or unvacation mode him.

they don't gain, they just don't loose

[Razorback]

Originally Posted by Kal

they don't gain, they just don't loose

So it is legit to go into vacation mode while you have incomings (apparently thats possible this round) to prevent further waves on you because your alliance defence is depleted ?
So after i covered the first wave and see that the 2nd might be covered but for the 3rd defence is predicted as not available i call it a night and run into vacation ?

In old pa atleast you couldnt get into vacmode while own fleets were out or you had incomings on your planet. This seems to be a huge step back if its now possible.

By removing themself from the foodchain they simply increase pressure on the remaining "targets" as they will receive incomings more often and ofc they will -unfairly- influence the hostile policy of beating a block. If the block goes in an organised way into vacation they basically ruin the game for their opponents, regardless of the possible outcome.
Last but not least, if you cacluate roidgrowth and scoregrowth carefully you could further "end" a round prior to tickstop, by simply going all into vacationmode and saving your roids and score for x weeks.
I wouldnt advertise such a scenario if i was you. Imagine 1up now going into vacationmode. even if they get raided the last 2-3 days from the rest of the universe permanently prolly the gasp would still be huge enough for them to win. i would call such a possible scenario also lame.

[Axis_WLF]

[quote=Razorback]So it is legit to go into vacation mode while you have incomings (apparently thats possible this round) to prevent further waves on you because your alliance defence is depleted ?

Now this would make a difference and would then not be valid or legit. If this is true were the crew smoking crack?

[Kal]

Originally Posted by Razorback

So it is legit to go into vacation mode while you have incomings (apparently thats possible this round) to prevent further waves on you because your alliance defence is depleted ?
So after i covered the first wave and see that the 2nd might be covered but for the 3rd defence is predicted as not available i call it a night and run into vacation ?

In old pa atleast you couldnt get into vacmode while own fleets were out or you had incomings on your planet. This seems to be a huge step back if its now possible.

By removing themself from the foodchain they simply increase pressure on the remaining "targets" as they will receive incomings more often and ofc they will -unfairly- influence the hostile policy of beating a block. If the block goes in an organised way into vacation they basically ruin the game for their opponents, regardless of the possible outcome.
Last but not least, if you cacluate roidgrowth and scoregrowth carefully you could further "end" a round prior to tickstop, by simply going all into vacationmode and saving your roids and score for x weeks.
I wouldnt advertise such a scenario if i was you. Imagine 1up now going into vacationmode. even if they get raided the last 2-3 days from the rest of the universe permanently prolly the gasp would still be huge enough for them to win. i would call such a possible scenario also lame.

you can go into vacation mode at any time - but the incomings keep coming it does't recall the ships only an account closure does that.

i'm not saying vacation mode can't be abused, but i do think at times it is a valid tactic