Fencesitters

[Anihilat0r]

FYI: I have just been kicked out of VisioN for posting here.

I am top VisioN attacker of the round and #4 Defender. I have stuck with VisioN even though the command staff are blatantly incompetent.
I admit I have been overly vocal about some issues, but the lack of communication in VisioN is so bad that making a big fuss is the only way to get anything across.
If you're thinking of joining VisioN, take this advice; burn your £10 instead, it'll provide much more satisfaction.

[Axis_WLF]

There is NOTHING wrong with being overly vocal dude. Only problem with that is if you came on here to blab instead of your alliance. If they had a problem with you expressing your problems then it is their loss, because it shows you actually care and want something done instead of complaining. Of course if you just came here to express your problems then it shows a problem in the alliance etc and then I can understand them being upset.

From all that I can read ya have one side being 1up and their friends who say one thing and the rest of us who will say something else, will we ever see a real point of view? The peeps who had naps with 1up got played without them even probably knowing it.

Few possible reasons peeps accept naps.

1: They might consider it a privledge to be nap'd to an alliance of a certain associated calubur?
2: They have 0 confidence in their own alliance so they accept the nap. This gets the alliance they would worry about off of their back, their own alliances protection but they can attack whereever they can find scraps.
3: They dont wanna be on the radar they wanna be left alone while in their alliance peeps think they are uber cool.
4: they simply do not know any better

Some say this is the first round an alliance has won alone. I do not see it that way even if they attacked alone they had naps that kept potential problems off of their back. I wanna see an alliance win with 0 naps, planet naps anything that would result in non alliance members being protected, and of course this would mean non-random galaxies.

Ace thread by the way and I am curious how big the list is going to get. Might even be enough for a whole other alliance.

[Axis_WLF]

A quick question. The people on the list, will the be kicked from their alliance or will their current alliance be afraid to lose that player who did not contribute in the proper way anyway?

[MiX]

Originally Posted by Eventh

Just for the fun of it, i'll try to create that list. Other alliances then vsn, lch, mistu is left out. Some of it might be wrong.


VsN
------
Forestal
DeLoS
Harm
Porno
Thorm
Panic
Garm
Major_Buzz


LCH
------
gmufc
Samynix
Saint
Zanetti
Gur4n
Mordrag
snowie
Kane
Gr[afk]nd
Markes
Valor
zero0
Argent
^MDK^MAN^
MiX


MISTU
-------
Geezer77
Dustman
Morphin

plz remove this rather insulting list which is clearly not perfect at all. Also Id like to know what it is based on cuz as far as I can see it just contains all top100 planets from the bigger alliances.

MiX

[Vaio]

Originally Posted by Anihilat0r

FYI: I have just been kicked out of VisioN for posting here.

I am top VisioN attacker of the round and #4 Defender. I have stuck with VisioN even though the command staff are blatantly incompetent.
I admit I have been overly vocal about some issues, but the lack of communication in VisioN is so bad that making a big fuss is the only way to get anything across.
If you're thinking of joining VisioN, take this advice; burn your £10 instead, it'll provide much more satisfaction.

Their loss and tbh, if the HC are willing to either fencesit or lie about one of them fencesitting then you wont be the last to either be kicked out or leave over this.

~Vaio~

[Eventh]

Originally Posted by MiX

Also Id like to know what it is based on cuz as far as I can see it just contains all top100 planets from the bigger alliances.

Its a list with LCH/VsN/Mistu planets in the top15 gals with more than 1k roids. Its not a list over people who napped 1up.

[MiX]

well then, I dont think it belongs in this thread as it will likely give people the wrong idea...

[Synthetic_Sid]

Originally Posted by Eventh

Another interesting list would be top100 planets/planets in top15 gals who have joined 1up during the round. And wich alliance they left.

That list would be VERY small. The only recruitment of any note we did was to take in some ex-Vison members who weren't happy being in an alliance where a HC could vote to attack 1up but maintain a planetary NAP with us for his own planet. And that was maybe 5 planets, 3 of whom were top 100, none of whom were top 20.

[Kjeldoran]

Originally Posted by Synthetic_Sid

That list would be VERY small. The only recruitment of any note we did was to take in some ex-Vison members who weren't happy being in an alliance where a HC could vote to attack 1up but maintain a planetary NAP with us for his own planet. And that was maybe 5 planets, 3 of whom were top 100, none of whom were top 20.

I love it how you always keep exact and accurate track of data and numbers etc ....

[The Real Arfy]

Slightly off-topic, but... i hate the way that sid and the rest of 1up are having to justify their victory to you.

[Nitros]

Originally Posted by Eventh

Just for the fun of it, i'll try to create that list. Other alliances then vsn, lch, mistu is left out. Some of it might be wrong.

*list*

*edit: This is NOT a list with planets whom have napped 1up, its a list with lch/vsn/mistu planets in top15 gals who have more than 1k roids..

just to help you out with some intel, Harm is LCH ..and i have no idea who Argent is

[Synthetic_Sid]

Originally Posted by Kjeldoran

I love it how you always keep exact and accurate track of data and numbers etc ....

I have something called a memory: if they're available for sale where you live I'd recommend buying one.

[MAdnRisKy]

shit sid is really back...


lock up your daughters etc

[jerome]

http://pirate.planetarion.com/showpo...1&postcount=45 fs.

[Kjeldoran]

Originally Posted by Synthetic_Sid

I have something called a memory: if they're available for sale where you live I'd recommend buying one.

heh, not in the mood for a silly joke? I was only pointing out that most members ifnot all will take what you said for granted cause nobody is gonna look up and check if there really wasn't a top20 player in that group.

Not that it matters but I just figured to make a lame comment about it.

[jerome]

I`m sure i wasn`t the only one who also saw Sid`s reply to yours as a little ribbing also. He does have a sense of humour you know.

[Nadar]

Originally Posted by DrunkenViking

OMFG, Nadar is BigBadWolf!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Hell yeah... been fooling you around all the time.


seriously.. I love that old scabby man

[mazzelaar]

Originally Posted by _ryzekiel_

I`m sure i wasn`t the only one who also saw Sid`s reply to yours as a little ribbing also. He does have a sense of humour you know.

1up command have told you numerous times to stop lying about things on the boards. Consider yourself allianceless next round for blatent rumourmongering about the existense of a sense of humour.

[jerome]

Originally Posted by mazzelaar

1up command have told you numerous times to stop lying about things on the boards. Consider yourself allianceless next round for blatent rumourmongering about the existense of a sense of humour.

[cypher]

is mazz's avatar a reflection of himself btw?:S a green pimpled nerd?

[Kjeldoran]

Originally Posted by mazzelaar

1up command have told you numerous times to stop lying about things on the boards. Consider yourself allianceless next round for blatent rumourmongering about the existense of a sense of humour.

does that mean I'm allianceless aswell next round since I was the one who brought up the "humour" issue?

to my defence, at no point did I intend to insult or discredit any person or organisation whatsoever. I hope you will one day find it in your heart to forgive me for my mistake

rgds Kj

[G.K Zhukov]

So how come Vision HC isnt replying here.........

oh wait.

[Fred of Bedrock]

Originally Posted by Synthetic_Sid

I have something called a memory: if they're available for sale where you live I'd recommend buying one.

We have it in plentiful supply in Aus but we sell the full memory card and not the edited version you would like to sell Sid. Shortchanging is an artform for some people but there is always some-one who has the full quid.

[Helix]

Wow, I think this thread has degenerated sufficiently to the point where it should be closed.

On a personal note... SID HOW DARE YOU....we would have a lot more targets if I had known the second condition of the planetary naps 3 weeks ago

[rshih]

yer.... when did that part get added
I wanna roid gmufc =/

[cypher]

too bad no-one in 1up knew about that part heheh:P we'd have trashed those fencesitters then heh:P no need even for this thread then:/

[Tis]

Originally Posted by rshih

yer.... when did that part get added
I wanna roid gmufc =/

as a matter of interest, you can probably thank gmufc for that part Being added

[Dinobot]

And I have a score to settle with Mickemus/Porno too

Just another victim

[Forest]

Check sandmans

Wonder if it was worth him fencesitting all round, just to get cnuted now

And why did his gal suicide defending him me wonders?

[LocknLoad]

Mickemus/Porno says he doesnt have a nap with 1up and has maintained this stance for a month now. So there is no reason why you cant hit him :P

[Forest]

Mickemus/Porno has had a nap with us for ages, and got it removed when he attacked a 1up planet a day or so ago (not sure when exactly as i was away this weekend).

[lokken]

Originally Posted by Forest

Mickemus/Porno has had a nap with us for ages, and got it removed when he attacked a 1up planet a day or so ago (not sure when exactly as i was away this weekend).

good of him to save me the bother

not that i was going to bother anyway (heh)

[Forest]

I was


gmufc watch ur planet mate, 3 days left

[Lord_Thunderball]

Originally Posted by Synthetic_Sid

Perhaps the next individuals who want to criticise out policy would like to explain what their own alliance's policy is? Then maybe we can debate the relative merits of the alternative policies - and maybe people would like to consider how those different policies work in practice if you happen to be a member of a smaller alliance stuck in a galaxy of one of the relevant alliances. It's also been claimed in this thread that other alliances all have a similar policy. That's actually not true. LCH/Vision have a policy of allowing attacks on all planets other than LCH/Vision in their galaxies (their alliance agreement includes a broad agreement not to defend ingalaxy vs one another ). I'd argue that 1up's policy is actually far more small-player friendly than the alternative - it HAS to be as planets can decide they want the alternative policy. I'd also argue that our policy is actually less stagnating as it allows smaller alliances to pursue their own objectives/wars with a % of their planets left totally alone by the winning alliance.

Bit late, but I still want to answer on this imho wrong statement. The policy 1up follows is imho more stagnating. What you create is fear for top non 1up players to lose there roids. This fear makes sure that planet won't attack 1up, and that makes a victory more easy than following the policy LCH/Vision did. If you control the fear amongst top players, you control the biggest threat vs your own alliance. This way your own victory will be much easier to achief, since this works in a positive spiral. You create less inc vs your own alliance, so your own members become bigger and can focus more on attacking, so the "fear" for 1up get's bigger, since you can follow your own "retall" policy a lot better with the more ships you have to attack with. I think most people can figure out this themself, so I will not go deeper into this subject.

A big note in all of this.. This fear that people have to lose there roids is the fault of all this happening. If players stay loyal to there own alliance(in stead of being loyal to the policy of another alliance) this policy have no influence at all. Also Alliance HC could strictly follow there own policy and kick members who accept 1up's policy. This hasn't been done (much) this round, which is a shame for both alliance players and alliance HC.

Though on another note, I think going solo means also not creating a policy 1up did. That's prolly my opionion and you have prolly thought enough about it yourself, and I already complained about that in other threads. I can't say 1Up sucks, cause again(just like the Fury times imho) an allaince created "fear" to control the universe, which works often much better then do it with ships! Pld to that tactic, since it's imho the best one! To bad it conflicts with statements I saw pre round.

[G.K Zhukov]

Thunder, I and others who have been around for some time, could have told you this before the round started. Are you so naive, you thought that Sid wouldnt use this trick?

[Helix]

*sigh* it is common practice in PA to not attack inside ones own galaxies. Trying to fault 1up for not wanting to do so either is wrong. There was a point in this game where galaxy unity used to mean something, if you all think that is not the case, then perhaps the game should be restructured into all alliances having their own galaxies or clusters or something....but as the game stands, trying not to disturb delicate galaxy politics is not a stagnating tactic, calling it so is a fallacy, and a red herring trying to hide the fact that the problem is the people who refuse to attack their alliances enemies.

[Lord_Thunderball]

Originally Posted by G.K Zhukov

Thunder, I and others who have been around for some time, could have told you this before the round started. Are you so naive, you thought that Sid wouldnt use this trick?

I knew this was going to happen. I warned everybody... To bad I can only blame myself for not playing and doing anything about it. I wasn't suprised, I just hate those long post to deny the fact!

[Tis]

Originally Posted by Lord_Thunderball

I knew this was going to happen. I warned everybody... To bad I can only blame myself for not playing and doing anything about it. I wasn't suprised, I just hate those long post to deny the fact!

with the number of geniuses who had this whole round predicted from the beginning, its a damn miracle we lived out the first week

[rshih]

Tis is stupid

[jerome]

stop making one-lined comments about people who clearly pwn you in everything (me and tissie basically ;/).

Anyhow, yes Tis. Everyone saw us coming from a mile off, they were just so leet, they predicted what we`re going to do, and, to help them win the round or help their friends win.. they did nothing!. Damn. I love their tactics, bloody revolutionary and just maniacally clever.

[§pa¢e¢ook¦e]

lame of ppl accepting those kind of naps, lame of alliances offer those kind of naps (seeing there was this thing at start of the round NO naps or anything unless it was utterly necesarry), and now i see the arrogance comming back since the round is over .

[Zh|l]

Originally Posted by §pa¢e¢ook¦e

lame of ppl accepting those kind of naps, lame of alliances offer those kind of naps (seeing there was this thing at start of the round NO naps or anything unless it was utterly necesarry), and now i see the arrogance comming back since the round is over .

Good god, you're so stupid it hurts.

It's been common practice for alliances to not hit their own members and their galaxies since forever.
1up stuck to it's roots.

If we had killed our own galaxies, then you'll all be moaning how evil we are for backstabbing.
Fact is, we let other alliances fight their wars and didnt attack our own galaxies unless they were hostile. Didn't go against 1ups mission statement in the slightest.

We won fair and square. Get over it.

[Helix]

Originally Posted by §pa¢e¢ook¦e

lame of ppl accepting those kind of naps, lame of alliances offer those kind of naps (seeing there was this thing at start of the round NO naps or anything unless it was utterly necesarry), and now i see the arrogance comming back since the round is over .

1up didn't offer planetary naps to people. 1up has the common practice policy of not attacking inside our own galaxies. What 1up did do however, was when the round got heated, we told planets that if they were to be hostile to 1up they would force us to attack them. Therefore what 1up really did was selectively remove people from our mission statement of not attacking our own galaxies.

[Korach]

Pussies! Where's the solidarity?:|

[AzureWrath]

Originally Posted by Korach

Pussies! Where's the solidarity?:|

I'm sure saying that was worth resurrecting a 3 month old...dead thread :\

On topic tho..the pussies are the fencesitters who chose to let LCH down and not hit 1up this round. They purely played for themselves and not their alliance*

*yay, new discussion started!

[lokken]

A tired, old discussion but however, if someone wants to make it relevant to this round (I posted this last round) feel free to name names, post your thoughts etc.

If this thread stays in the realm of BS, I'll happily close it tomorrow.

[furssie]

Originally Posted by AzureWrath

I'm sure saying that was worth resurrecting a 3 month old...dead thread :\

On topic tho..the pussies are the fencesitters who chose to let LCH down and not hit 1up this round. They purely played for themselves and not their alliance*

*yay, new discussion started!

i will not allow association with alliances and specific coordinates - however, i will allow associations with specific nicks and certain activities (or indeed certain fleet movements with certain coordinates, as these are things than can be verified by a scan) - I will consult with JBG to see how far we can go - until then, kindly rephrase your post, thanks - Lok

[The_Fish]

Edited: Sorry Mr Lok.

[Villeh]

Originally Posted by Synthetic_Sid

That list would be VERY small. The only recruitment of any note we did was to take in some ex-Vison members who weren't happy being in an alliance where a HC could vote to attack 1up but maintain a planetary NAP with us for his own planet. And that was maybe 5 planets, 3 of whom were top 100, none of whom were top 20.

uhm, and Diebi and Illogical and TeK and Im sure there are more...
so atleast 8 of your 67 is recruitued during the round, and don't tell me TeK wasn't top 20

[General Martok]

Originally Posted by Villeh

uhm, and Diebi and Illogical and TeK and Im sure there are more...
so atleast 8 of your 67 is recruitued during the round, and don't tell me TeK wasn't top 20

check date of original post?