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LDK
Join Date: Feb 2002
Location: Norway
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Congratulations Ascendancy
A well played round, a well deserved round win.
You were by FAR the best alliance this round and have had a rough round from the start and up till now, and always managed to get out on top.
I take my hat off, and hope that next round someone can manage to stop a 4th in a row. I tried but certainly failed miserably
I ll make a longer post at some other stage where I ll share some fun logs from ally chans, and explain why things ended as they did! For now I ll just give you all the credit u guys deserve. You won the game in all aspects. Your def this round has been nothing short of impressive.
Well done JBG
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Originally posted by Newt
I would give me right testicle to be in a gal with you wishmaster!!! wonder if thatd be enough to bribe spinner with hmmmm
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26 Mar 2009, 18:07
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BlueTuba
Join Date: Jun 2001
Location: Essex
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Re: Congratulations Ascendancy
I ain't heard no fat lady.
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26 Mar 2009, 18:12
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break it down!
Join Date: Feb 2005
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Re: Congratulations Ascendancy
We haven't won until there's a 25mil lead on #2.
With ND's hidden prod (yes, their players hide prod in wartime ) we're under 10mil ahead!
But well played to Omen. Took guts to hit Asc from the start and keep fighting all round. Easily the second best alliance this round.
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26 Mar 2009, 18:12
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xVx Peon
Join Date: Jan 2005
Location: Coventry
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Re: Congratulations Ascendancy
Are Asc not 23 million in score ahead right now?
Congrats Asc - impressive defence this round.
Edit - in response to the poster before Kila
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26 Mar 2009, 18:32
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Banned
Join Date: Jul 2003
Location: ******
Posts: 2,326
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Re: Congratulations Ascendancy
I appreciate the sentiment and thank you for the flattering words Wishmaster, but it's not over until it's over.
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26 Mar 2009, 19:25
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Registered User
Join Date: Jun 2004
Posts: 151
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Re: Congratulations Ascendancy
I aint gonna be so nice.
You are ruining the game - too many good players I one place.
3 on the run has nearly been 5. AND i'm sure u'll win the next one too.
alliance limits should be seriously cut if this game is to survive
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26 Mar 2009, 19:32
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Poblacht na hÉireann
Join Date: Apr 2004
Posts: 1,167
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Re: Congratulations Ascendancy
Do you have any idea how ridiculous that sounds?
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26 Mar 2009, 19:36
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Registered User
Join Date: May 2006
Posts: 128
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Re: Congratulations Ascendancy
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Originally Posted by Zoro
I aint gonna be so nice.
You are ruining the game - too many good players I one place.
3 on the run has nearly been 5. AND i'm sure u'll win the next one too.
alliance limits should be seriously cut if this game is to survive
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Platini plays planetarion!
Seriously though how do you think "seriously cutting" alliance limits will cure anything? As people have stated over and over the players who want to play together will find a way, be that through having multiple tags or another way it will happen.
I'm not against a change but i doubt your suggestion will do much.
On topic, i too think it's a smidge early to decide the winner but if things stay as they are well done asc, from what i have observed you more than deserve it!
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26 Mar 2009, 19:37
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De aroma komt je tegemoet
Join Date: Oct 2004
Posts: 85
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Re: Congratulations Ascendancy
lol ruining the game...
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26 Mar 2009, 19:48
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LDK
Join Date: Feb 2002
Location: Norway
Posts: 2,220
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Re: Congratulations Ascendancy
asc are far from ruining the game. And in time someone ( someone better than me ) will come along and beat them. Its the nature of all things. Lets not enforce stupid limidts just because they are the best atm.
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Originally posted by Newt
I would give me right testicle to be in a gal with you wishmaster!!! wonder if thatd be enough to bribe spinner with hmmmm
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26 Mar 2009, 19:52
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break it down!
Join Date: Feb 2005
Posts: 2,087
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Re: Congratulations Ascendancy
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Originally Posted by Zoro
I aint gonna be so nice.
You are ruining the game - too many good players I one place.
3 on the run has nearly been 5. AND i'm sure u'll win the next one too.
alliance limits should be seriously cut if this game is to survive
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If you think that one alliance dominating like this is bad for the game, do something about it instead of crying. When fury and legion were dominating, people were there to stop them, when 1up dominated, eXi came along and stopped them. It's not our fault that CT were too idiotic to help Omen keep Asc down early. It was entirely possible.
It's not Ascendancy's fault that it's a more attractive alliance than others. Maybe the other alliances should think hard about why people choose Asc over them (hint: RIGID HEIRARCHY WITH RETARDED RULES AND SECRECY IS INCREDIBLY SHIT).
I know Ascendancy have people downplaying their chances every round but I doubt many people are going to bother next round. 3 in a row is pretty draining, and from what I can tell a lot of the players have only played the way they have this round because it was supposed to be the last round and being the first alliance to ever win 3 in a row on the last round ever sounded pretty epic.
If I have a planet next round I highly doubt I'll be putting as much effort in as this round, I simply can't be bothered.
I expect everyone to bash Ascendancy from the start next round
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26 Mar 2009, 20:04
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You've Seen The Light
Join Date: Nov 2008
Posts: 1,152
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Re: Congratulations Ascendancy
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Originally Posted by _Kila_
If you think that one alliance dominating like this is bad for the game, do something about it instead of crying. When fury and legion were dominating, people were there to stop them, when 1up dominated, eXi came along and stopped them. It's not our fault that CT were too idiotic to help Omen keep Asc down early. It was entirely possible.
It's not Ascendancy's fault that it's a more attractive alliance than others. Maybe the other alliances should think hard about why people choose Asc over them (hint: RIGID HEIRARCHY WITH RETARDED RULES AND SECRECY IS INCREDIBLY SHIT).
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Thats the main point, yes it takes 2 (or 3) alliances to stop Asc at the moment but lets just say if CT did help Omen bash Asc early on which put Asc out of the round. What would happen next round? Would Asc be able to hold onto all its good players or would some of those players start to think 'i want to win and in Asc were just going to get bashed again'. All it takes to ruin an alliances dominance is to give them one (or more) rounds of bashing, to stop them from being percieved as the best alliance (and the alliance you go to if you want to win).
but as it stands, Asc has won again.. the good players they already have will want to stay and its made the good players in other alliances more likely to try and join Asc.
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everyone expected that this round with Omen (arguably the 2nd best alliance coming into the round) declaring war pre-round. Next round may simply turn out the same as this round, other alliances wanting to nap Asc to save themselves from hostiles.
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26 Mar 2009, 20:37
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LDK
Join Date: Feb 2002
Location: Norway
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Re: Congratulations Ascendancy
I actually have faith in the natural progress of this and all games. Eventually some other alliance will come and beat asc.
#1 reason why alliances looses is because they think they will loose.
conc dominiated - legion / fury dominated - 1up dominated - eXi dominated ( exi still being undefeated though, asc aint undefeated they are just on a winning stream )
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Originally posted by Newt
I would give me right testicle to be in a gal with you wishmaster!!! wonder if thatd be enough to bribe spinner with hmmmm
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26 Mar 2009, 20:47
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CRASHING BEATS 'N FANTASY
Join Date: Mar 2001
Location: Cold Country.
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Re: Congratulations Ascendancy
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Originally Posted by Light
Thats the main point, yes it takes 2 (or 3) alliances to stop Asc at the moment but lets just say if CT did help Omen bash Asc early on which put Asc out of the round. What would happen next round? Would Asc be able to hold onto all its good players or would some of those players start to think 'i want to win and in Asc were just going to get bashed again'.
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Actually we have a constant turn-over of people. There are lots of people in Omen this round that were Asc last round. And I think the main reason why people like being in Ascendancy simply is the way we work. There's no def leeching because we don't do secrecy. Everyone can fully use our arbiter. Everyone can go and set up attacks. Since everybody can do these things we run brutally efficient, since arguments about what we should do next come always down to some sort of number crunching the PA mechanics, sketching up how different scenarios work out and then take the most promising action. And since we constantly argue with regards to game mechanics over the course of a whole round and how our score would develop from taking certain actions it is rarely that we do something totally stupid.
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26 Mar 2009, 21:16
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This Space for Rent
Join Date: Jun 2007
Posts: 583
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Re: Congratulations Ascendancy
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Originally Posted by Banned
I appreciate the sentiment and thank you for the flattering words Wishmaster, but it's not over until it's over.
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26 Mar 2009, 21:39
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Pr0nstar
Join Date: Mar 2001
Posts: 495
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Re: Congratulations Ascendancy
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Originally Posted by Heartless
Actually we have a constant turn-over of people. There are lots of people in Omen this round that were Asc last round. And I think the main reason why people like being in Ascendancy simply is the way we work. There's no def leeching because we don't do secrecy. Everyone can fully use our arbiter. Everyone can go and set up attacks. Since everybody can do these things we run brutally efficient, since arguments about what we should do next come always down to some sort of number crunching the PA mechanics, sketching up how different scenarios work out and then take the most promising action. And since we constantly argue with regards to game mechanics over the course of a whole round and how our score would develop from taking certain actions it is rarely that we do something totally stupid.
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Ascendancy - While you were trying, we were sleeping
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26 Mar 2009, 22:49
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Banned
Join Date: Jul 2003
Location: ******
Posts: 2,326
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Re: Congratulations Ascendancy
Quote:
Originally Posted by Zoro
I aint gonna be so nice.
You are ruining the game - too many good players I one place.
3 on the run has nearly been 5. AND i'm sure u'll win the next one too.
alliance limits should be seriously cut if this game is to survive
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26 Mar 2009, 22:59
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This Space for Rent
Join Date: Jun 2007
Posts: 583
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Re: Congratulations Ascendancy
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Originally Posted by Zoro
You are ruining the game - too many good players I one place.
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we got a few of those players from other alliances that either kicked them or they were not happy and left mid round. i would still hardly argue that we have a majority of the good players though. there a few really good people that help babysit the not so good ones, and that helps immensely.
edit: oh gosh i made a post on AD. someone shoot me
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26 Mar 2009, 23:00
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Commander in Briefs!
Join Date: Dec 2000
Location: UK
Posts: 783
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Re: Congratulations Ascendancy
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Originally Posted by Wishmaster
I actually have faith in the natural progress of this and all games. Eventually some other alliance will come and beat asc.
#1 Reason why alliances fall apart is because they get bored of winning.
Conc dominiated - legion / fury dominated - 1up dominated - eXi dominated ( exi still being undefeated though, asc aint undefeated they are just on a winning Streak :-p )
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<Zeyi> 24h forum closure
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"he's got a proven track record when it comes to showy art composition" - Tommy
<Sigi> Light: can I ask u how many open internet-windows u always have?
<MrLobster|PM> i have 2, the pa page, and the website for naked light pictures
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26 Mar 2009, 23:06
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fanboy
Join Date: Feb 2003
Location: Trondheim, Norway
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Re: Congratulations Ascendancy
Thank you.
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27 Mar 2009, 00:10
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I see you!
Join Date: Sep 2002
Location: In any girl
Posts: 2,825
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Re: Congratulations Ascendancy
I take all responsibility for Ascendancy winning this round.
However, if it goes down the drain, I had nothing to do with it.
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27 Mar 2009, 00:30
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Retired
Join Date: Feb 2001
Location: The Back Porch Bar
Posts: 2,593
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Re: Congratulations Ascendancy
People should probably look at why Asc succeed round after round, rather than just say "they have all the good players".
They (we) are definitely beatable, it just comes down to the simple fact that no one has put forth the effort required to do so.
You can't just throw a bunch of fleets around and win. This round has pretty well proved that. You have to want it, you have to put in the effort, and you have to try (and play) harder than you think your opponent is.
As Heartless mentioned, the hierarchy of typical alliances is quite obviously (hey look, 3 in a row!) flawed. Figure it out for ****s sake.
I'm the absoulte last son of a bitch that should have to tell you people how to 'win' PA since after almost ten years, I've never won a round and am pretty much shit at it.
I do however, "get it", which is where the rest of you seem to be failing miserably.
/me goes back under a rock
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27 Mar 2009, 01:11
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optimist
Join Date: Mar 2008
Posts: 263
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Re: Congratulations Ascendancy
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Originally Posted by Cochese
People should probably look at why Asc succeed round after round, rather than just say "they have all the good players".
They (we) are definitely beatable, it just comes down to the simple fact that no one has put forth the effort required to do so.
You can't just throw a bunch of fleets around and win. This round has pretty well proved that. You have to want it, you have to put in the effort, and you have to try (and play) harder than you think your opponent is.
As Heartless mentioned, the hierarchy of typical alliances is quite obviously (hey look, 3 in a row!) flawed. Figure it out for ****s sake.
I'm the absoulte last son of a bitch that should have to tell you people how to 'win' PA since after almost ten years, I've never won a round and am pretty much shit at it.
I do however, "get it", which is where the rest of you seem to be failing miserably.
/me goes back under a rock
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Your attempts to be e-cool have been noted and laughed off as terrible.
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27 Mar 2009, 02:44
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break it down!
Join Date: Feb 2005
Posts: 2,087
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Re: Congratulations Ascendancy
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Originally Posted by Nadar
I take all responsibility for Ascendancy winning this round.
However, if it goes down the drain, I had nothing to do with it.
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It was all Linkie's doing. Him and Lady Gaga.
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27 Mar 2009, 09:29
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Registered User
Join Date: Mar 2008
Location: In bed with your mum.
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Re: Congratulations Ascendancy
Congrats Asc on the round win. You made the best of the opportunities you had, where given, and created. I fought you as best i could with the tools available.
As for others, i darent address you.
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Can people please stop pretending they have no chance of winning at tick 300, you just end up looking retarded later.
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27 Mar 2009, 09:50
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Bragpack™
Join Date: Nov 2004
Posts: 815
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Re: Congratulations Ascendancy
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Originally Posted by Banned
Really? I'd rather think the level of the game this round is higher than it's been for many rounds. This is definitely the round I've enjoyed most since round 19 (though I only played 3 or so in between there outside scanning).
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27 Mar 2009, 11:03
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Registered User
Join Date: May 2001
Location: Norway
Posts: 460
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Re: Congratulations Ascendancy
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Originally Posted by Wishmaster
A well played round, a well deserved round win.
You were by FAR the best alliance this round and have had a rough round from the start and up till now, and always managed to get out on top.
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27 Mar 2009, 11:07
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Registered User
Join Date: Mar 2008
Location: In bed with your mum.
Posts: 664
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Re: Congratulations Ascendancy
Oh btw:
Ascendancy: While we were trying, you were sleeping.
Says it all tbfh.
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Quote:
Originally Posted by JonnyBGood
Can people please stop pretending they have no chance of winning at tick 300, you just end up looking retarded later.
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27 Mar 2009, 13:21
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mz.
Join Date: Aug 2005
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Re: Congratulations Ascendancy
Ascendancy: while you were sleeping, we were getting salvage.
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27 Mar 2009, 14:08
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Registered User
Join Date: May 2001
Location: Norway
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Re: Congratulations Ascendancy
Thats the correct one Mz
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27 Mar 2009, 14:10
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break it down!
Join Date: Feb 2005
Posts: 2,087
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Re: Congratulations Ascendancy
Quote:
Originally Posted by [JungleMuffin]
Oh btw:
Ascendancy: While we were trying, you were sleeping.
Says it all tbfh.
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Registered User
Join Date: Mar 2008
Location: In bed with your mum.
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Re: Congratulations Ascendancy
Ascendancy: While we were sleeping, we were getting salvage.
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Edit: Kila, i do believe u missed the tone of the post.
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Quote:
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Can people please stop pretending they have no chance of winning at tick 300, you just end up looking retarded later.
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Dictator
Join Date: May 2007
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Re: Congratulations Ascendancy
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Originally Posted by Cochese
People should probably look at why Asc succeed round after round, rather than just say "they have all the good players".
They (we) are definitely beatable, it just comes down to the simple fact that no one has put forth the effort required to do so.
You can't just throw a bunch of fleets around and win. This round has pretty well proved that. You have to want it, you have to put in the effort, and you have to try (and play) harder than you think your opponent is.
As Heartless mentioned, the hierarchy of typical alliances is quite obviously (hey look, 3 in a row!) flawed. Figure it out for ****s sake.
I'm the absoulte last son of a bitch that should have to tell you people how to 'win' PA since after almost ten years, I've never won a round and am pretty much shit at it.
I do however, "get it", which is where the rest of you seem to be failing miserably.
/me goes back under a rock
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You cant talk about the lack of hierarchy etc ascendancy HAS become conventional other than their round 16 win the last 3 rounds they have turned against what the alliance was first set up for. The alternative to exi 1up rules and systems and the whole **** pa attitude is long gone imo. For you to say there is no hierarchy in asc is LOL... take a look at any of the joint channels with other alliances and theres always the same 3 or 4 asc in there. They are HC's whether you like to call them that or not, you have a hierarchy. The naps, no defence statuses etc etc all lead to asc just turning in to a skilled conventional alliance. IF they really didnt care crashers wouldn't get kicked right? looking shit wouldnt matter right? but its all a big issue now it seems! Well done tho guys, who knows it might all go complete circle for ya over the next few rounds.
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Join Date: Apr 2002
Location: Noruega
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Re: Congratulations Ascendancy
As have been said many a time, we care more than most.
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Over the moon
Join Date: Aug 2001
Location: Deeeeenmark
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Re: Congratulations Ascendancy
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Originally Posted by Munkee
You cant talk about the lack of hierarchy etc ascendancy HAS become conventional other than their round 16 win the last 3 rounds they have turned against what the alliance was first set up for. The alternative to exi 1up rules and systems and the whole **** pa attitude is long gone imo. For you to say there is no hierarchy in asc is LOL... take a look at any of the joint channels with other alliances and theres always the same 3 or 4 asc in there. They are HC's whether you like to call them that or not, you have a hierarchy. The naps, no defence statuses etc etc all lead to asc just turning in to a skilled conventional alliance. IF they really didnt care crashers wouldn't get kicked right? looking shit wouldnt matter right? but its all a big issue now it seems! Well done tho guys, who knows it might all go complete circle for ya over the next few rounds.
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Planets.
Zik: 3rd(r30), 4th(r52), 7th(r27), 9th(r26), 31st(r51)
Ter: 3rd(r50), 4th(r53), 4th(r37), 5th(r31) 7th (r58)
Xan: 3rd(r36), 40th(r57) 54th(r33), 104th(r29)
Cat: 8th (r54), 9th(r48), 12th (r55), 20th(r32), 77th(r23), 103rd(r38), 150th(r34), 152nd(r24),
Etd: 14th(r28)
Those damn emp races..
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27 Mar 2009, 14:38
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Paso Leaute
Join Date: Mar 2008
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Re: Congratulations Ascendancy
Cochese didnt say asc didnt care; quite the opposite. Asc definately cares.
Hierarchy is a different matter; anyone can be an asc HC at any point they like, there are people who do HC/DC/BC jobs all the time, JBG/Golan etc but that does not mean there is hierarchy because anyone could on their own initiative stand up and do all the stuff JBG and Golan do without having to be promoted to 'HC' first.
Ergo there is Hierarchy but it is constantly fluid because those leadership roles of HC/DC/BC need to be done by someone they are a natural part of alliances but the job isn't the hierarchy the label is.
Edit: Beaten to it twice
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break it down!
Join Date: Feb 2005
Posts: 2,087
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Re: Congratulations Ascendancy
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Originally Posted by Munkee
You cant talk about the lack of hierarchy etc ascendancy HAS become conventional other than their round 16 win the last 3 rounds they have turned against what the alliance was first set up for. The alternative to exi 1up rules and systems and the whole **** pa attitude is long gone imo. For you to say there is no hierarchy in asc is LOL... take a look at any of the joint channels with other alliances and theres always the same 3 or 4 asc in there. They are HC's whether you like to call them that or not, you have a hierarchy. The naps, no defence statuses etc etc all lead to asc just turning in to a skilled conventional alliance. IF they really didnt care crashers wouldn't get kicked right? looking shit wouldnt matter right? but its all a big issue now it seems! Well done tho guys, who knows it might all go complete circle for ya over the next few rounds.
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There are people who step up and take responsibility, do politics, raids etc.
The lack of titles such as DC, BC and HC just mean that anyone can step up to do it when they want, and it provides far more efficiency. When there are defcalls, in regular alliances you have just the DCs dealing with them and they're often incredibly secretive in their own channels. We have, literally whoever the **** wants to, stepping up and taking the calls, doing them in #ascendancy and therefore having the input of everyone who is around rather than just "the supah 1337 secret cru" who are in the DC channels.
As for attacks, yes it's usually the same people organising our raids but that tends to be because a. others can't be bothered and b. the people dealing with politics may have specific targets in mind. The shared sense of responsibility and lack of BCs who are expected to sort stuff encourages people to sort their own day raids and launch/recall missions in wartime.
I think this was epitomised when we fought Omen before CT dropped the NAP; we didn't just have "BCs" setting up attacks, we had dozens of people making sure that everyone who entered the channel had fleets moving, with different people setting up teamups and defdraw missions all over the place. Spreading the load makes it so much easier.
The only thing that may be a little harder to get involved with is politics because you generally need to discuss it with those who are already involved and see what they are doing/have done and tell them that you want to contribute in some way. And these people will be completely open with you if you ask them what's going on, because secrecy is shit.
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Originally Posted by [JungleMuffin]
Ascendancy: While we were sleeping, we were getting salvage.
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Edit: Kila, i do believe u missed the tone of the post.
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You're making it sound like we're cocky and think this round has been easy. It hasn't, it's been damn hard and a load of effort has been put into it.
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27 Mar 2009, 14:57
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Dictator
Join Date: May 2007
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Re: Congratulations Ascendancy
tbh kila etc, i think your version of a typical pa alliance is somewhat how a sub t5 ally runs (atleast what i have seen in the past), a model used that is nice for people starting up (i believe "noobs" will often like to see some form of hierarchy there). I for one know anyone is welcome within ct to run as a bc/dc if they are competent to do it they can, if they show consistent dedication they can move to hc its simple. Politics is purely on a you ask and we tell you, general politics is updated in topic in #ct for people to see. The overall decisions on what move to take could be said to be pretty much the same as asc run, you call it "the guys who know whats going on and organising attacks" we could just call that a bc/hc role, even if thats is a small part of the "job" as you guys call it.
At the end of the day though, there needs to be more than 1 product on the market, people choose to play where they want. Whilst asc might be pwn'n the alliance wins i know of a few people who dont like the "abuse/banter" there either. So anyway, as a lot of people say i think the quality of your players is the key. Which once again refers back to the "asc care" attitude that has come about. Something which you guys claimed to not have before.
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27 Mar 2009, 15:00
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Registered User
Join Date: Jun 2004
Posts: 151
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Re: Congratulations Ascendancy
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Originally Posted by _Kila_
There are people who step up and take responsibility, do politics, raids etc.
The lack of titles such as DC, BC and HC just mean that anyone can step up to do it when they want, and it provides far more efficiency. When there are defcalls, in regular alliances you have just the DCs dealing with them and they're often incredibly secretive in their own channels. We have, literally whoever the **** wants to, stepping up and taking the calls, doing them in #ascendancy and therefore having the input of everyone who is around rather than just "the supah 1337 secret cru" who are in the DC channels.
As for attacks, yes it's usually the same people organising our raids but that tends to be because a. others can't be bothered and b. the people dealing with politics may have specific targets in mind. The shared sense of responsibility and lack of BCs who are expected to sort stuff encourages people to sort their own day raids and launch/recall missions in wartime.
I think this was epitomised when we fought Omen before CT dropped the NAP; we didn't just have "BCs" setting up attacks, we had dozens of people making sure that everyone who entered the channel had fleets moving, with different people setting up teamups and defdraw missions all over the place. Spreading the load makes it so much easier.
The only thing that may be a little harder to get involved with is politics because you generally need to discuss it with those who are already involved and see what they are doing/have done and tell them that you want to contribute in some way. And these people will be completely open with you if you ask them what's going on, because secrecy is shit.
You're making it sound like we're cocky and think this round has been easy. It hasn't, it's been damn hard and a load of effort has been put into it.
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It all sounds like a great way to run an alliance.
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27 Mar 2009, 15:37
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Paso Leaute
Join Date: Mar 2008
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Re: Congratulations Ascendancy
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Originally Posted by Munkee
you ask and we tell you.
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There thats the difference.
Anyone in asc can try anything if they like even arranging NAPs; most dont but the possibility is there.
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27 Mar 2009, 15:45
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Pr0nstar
Join Date: Mar 2001
Posts: 495
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Re: Congratulations Ascendancy
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Originally Posted by Munkee
IF they really didnt care crashers wouldn't get kicked right? looking shit wouldnt matter right?
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Actually there has been a motto/slogan in Asc almost since the inception, that applies to this and that is basically "Don't be shit".
Crashing fleets is being shit.
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27 Mar 2009, 16:05
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Registered User
Join Date: Mar 2008
Location: In bed with your mum.
Posts: 664
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Re: Congratulations Ascendancy
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Originally Posted by _Kila_
You're making it sound like we're cocky and think this round has been easy. It hasn't, it's been damn hard and a load of effort has been put into it.
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More like its too easy. If it comes down to a militairy battle, Asc will win. If it comes down to a political battle, Asc will win. If it comes down to a motivational/morale battle, Asc will win. (Please keep in mind, by battle i mean 1/A few Vs Asc + Friends, as opposed to All Vs Asc.)
Un/Fortunately these things can be influenced and even determined by outside sources.
At the end of the day, we know you guys are going to rock up, do what needs to be done to win, as far as internally goes. Wether or not Asc wins, believe it or not, (allthough things can certainly be influenced by people inside Asc) is determined by people outside Asc.
Im not taking anything away from you guys, you thrashed the majority of the universe. Im simply saying you did it with room to spare and certain people pulled down their pants whilst you did it.
While we are at it, i feel there are congratulations in order for ROCK, xVx and hirr. They assisted Asc mervelously to the win, yes?
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27 Mar 2009, 19:33
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Join Date: Apr 2008
Location: Trondheim, Norway
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Re: Congratulations Ascendancy
In order for Ascendancy to be stopped, someone actually has to bother to stop them.
I saw Omen and Wishmaster doing one hell of a job pestering them from the very start. Which no one else have bothered before.
The problem itself lies in the fact that most HCs of other allies either fear or love ascendancy. Thus making them not targeted.
The game dying, perhaps?
Ascendancy is each round replacing theyre poor ppl or quiters with active top notch players. The other allies become farming places for them.
Causual players dont care that much about winning, but i belive they will grow tired of getting bashed round after round (which will be the result if an ally is causual and get into a war).
Congratulations to Ascendancy and Elviz tho, since they will win ally award and planet. And 12:5 winning gal i belive.
I wish New Dawn could have challenged you, and earlier as well. But politics will be politics. And when we finally battle you, we decide to donate 25mil value......
So yet again, congratulations Ascendancy. Well deserved. Ill have to take comfort in the fact i faked JBG atleast :P
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27 Mar 2009, 20:55
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BlueTuba
Join Date: Aug 2000
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Re: Congratulations Ascendancy
We still have to close this round out, so I'm not breaking open the champagne and certainly won't say much about our success at the moment bar that I think our attitude all round has been terrific, absolutely first rate.
But a point to think about is this: when an alliance turns over 36 million score in a short passage of time, and achieves it without even going postal on their opponents (I don't think I've ever seen that before really), then there's clearly something wrong with the game mechanics and the strategies/discipline of the people attacking them. Ascendancy aren't responsible for either.
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27 Mar 2009, 22:27
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Retired
Join Date: Feb 2008
Posts: 253
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Re: Congratulations Ascendancy
We came into the round with fun in mind and we have had alot of fun
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27 Mar 2009, 23:51
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General (Adjective Army)
Join Date: Oct 2000
Location: Yorkshire, England.
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Re: Congratulations Ascendancy
I don't blame Asc for anything. They deserve nothing but admiration for achieving what should be unachievable.
On the other hand, I have nothing but contempt for the rest of the petty-minded leaders of other alliances for allowing it to happen.
To be fair, I have less contempt for Omen - at least they set out their stall (along with VGN - please take note, Nestorn) and hit Asc from the start. If we hadn't been betrayed by CT from the start - then ND (once CT finally realised the error of their ways) things might have been different.
We had one goal this round - and only one. Stop Asc winning 3 in a row at all costs. We failed - again! But at least we didn't give up.
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Onset of Apathy R94 | Stacks of Resources R95 | The Necromancer of Dol Guldur R96
70 Years of Queen Elizabeth R97 | Worst of The Worst R98
Knights of the Green Shield R99 | Look Out of The Window R100 | Most of All R102
Hard of Hearing (2:7:1) R103 | The Lateness of Your Application (1:6:6) R104 | Kinnison of Tellus (5:1:2) R105
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28 Mar 2009, 02:47
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Banned
Join Date: May 2001
Location: Further to the right
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Re: Congratulations Ascendancy
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Originally Posted by [JungleMuffin]
While we are at it, i feel there are congratulations in order for ROCK, xVx and hirr. They assisted Asc mervelously to the win, yes?
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I have nothing but respect for the alliances we've dealt with this round and I sincerely hope they've gotten what they wished for out of dealing with us, this even goes for ND and CT who we napped for brief periods during the round. When I try to play PA politically I offer very little but what you see from me.
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28 Mar 2009, 03:07
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Registered User
Join Date: Mar 2009
Posts: 9
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Re: Congratulations Ascendancy
Changing sizes of alliances will not change anything and i think that the past has proven that. If someone wants to take off the top seed then all you need to do is what has been done in the past grouping alliances together for a common cause and attacking the top alliance.
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28 Mar 2009, 04:32
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Retired
Join Date: Feb 2001
Location: The Back Porch Bar
Posts: 2,593
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Re: Congratulations Ascendancy
Don't let JBG fool you, we eat babies.
Lots of babies.
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28 Mar 2009, 15:23
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Propaganda Chief
Join Date: May 2004
Location: Under the Rainbow
Posts: 4,740
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Re: Congratulations Ascendancy
I think it is pretty correct with the hierachy thing in Asc.
From my past PA experince, you would get demoted and slapped if you went "out of line" being a BC and arranging politics and raids with other alliances without HC blessing.
Im a fan of the old model of PA alliances, with HCs,BCs,DCs etc, but that required shit loads of dedication from the HC and senior officers, wich you wont find in todays alliances. Ofc there are active,dedicated and skilled HCs in alliances like ND/CT/Omen etc, but for me it seems it swings too much.
Most moderne PA players is experince enough to run raids and defence, so why should they not have flags in the arbiter of the alliance they have been playing with the last rounds.
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