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13 Sep 2007, 17:46
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LOL? exi walkover as usual?
Good Day Ladies and Gentleman,
it has gone quite on AD since the last propaganda has been spread by individuals. I'm posting on personal interest and to give an opinion on R23 Politics since I wasnt paying much attention to the alliance politics this round until now. I'm totally aware the whole universe is paying attention to sandmans and how Ministry gets heavily owned by eX and allies. I was talking to a few HC's this morning to see where they stand atm and what they gonna do in the future since the average player should know who is on top atm. Yeah you ****ing got it, its exilition. and no doubt they have recruited an awesome bunch of players. Its awfully shocking how alliance hc's care about that. This is a war game and its just horrible whats going on atm, while people ride the fence and care shit. props to you Cartman, your biggest worries were Ministry, Jenova and Vengeance while you were recruiting more and more externals into your ag's (thats the grapevine yeah!). it seems its going all in your favour now while Ministry is your farm and jenova seems slowly dying. Vengeance... ah well Vengeance, I like _are_ personally but if you care shit about Ministry why nap at all? so why bother playing this game this round? I'm just waiting for the "Congrats exilition -thread" as this round is done in politics it seems.
Fast Forward R24!
Congrats exilition, thats the 5th round then afaik. easy walkover, no opposition - a hc's paradise!
And no - the other 800 ticks wont change anything, those who tried have failed and the rest wont do shit.
L O L Round 23!
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13 Sep 2007, 17:48
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Re: LOL? exi walkover as usual?
so this means Destiny will disband?
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13 Sep 2007, 17:49
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Re: LOL? exi walkover as usual?
Now im completely lost
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13 Sep 2007, 17:51
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Re: LOL? exi walkover as usual?
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Originally Posted by Stoom
so this means Destiny will disband?
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no Stoom, we wont. I posted this as my personal opinion, this doesnt reflect Destiny in any way nor am I handling politics this round as I knew it would go like this with noone paying attention to shit.
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13 Sep 2007, 17:52
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Re: LOL? exi walkover as usual?
Starting a thread with "LOL" should qualify for a permanent ban
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13 Sep 2007, 17:55
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Re: LOL? exi walkover as usual?
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Originally Posted by Antigone
no Stoom, we wont. I posted this as my personal opinion, this doesnt reflect Destiny in any way nor am I handling politics this round as I knew it would go like this with noone paying attention to shit.
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Since Game and you are basically the 2 leading HC's I'd say your personal opinion DOES reflect on Destiny's...
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13 Sep 2007, 18:01
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EMO HC OF ASCENDANCY
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Re: LOL? exi walkover as usual?
to clear something up, ministry is NOT falling apart, disbanding or anything. Yes we've taken quite a beating to clearly superior numbers, we cant handle 200 planets solo, sorry we're not supermen (even though we like to believe it).. fighting exi and their randoms and allies alone is just tedious.... allies in pa got less balls than a girl... fking disappointed in what i've seen after my return... remove alliances and let gals fight for the win..
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13 Sep 2007, 18:01
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Re: LOL? exi walkover as usual?
Well.. Ministry isnt going anywhere (our roids are obviously though ).
I dont really see the point of this post though tbh.
ahwell.. carry on
edit: Hi BA, everytime two Ministry HCs post about the same thing God kills a kitten. And we all love little furry kittens
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13 Sep 2007, 18:04
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EMO HC OF ASCENDANCY
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Re: LOL? exi walkover as usual?
Why can't we talk on irc instead of AD tesla? No love for the fellow man anymore?
PS. Post to kill furry kittens.
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13 Sep 2007, 18:05
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Re: LOL? exi walkover as usual?
Quote:
Originally Posted by Stoom
Since Game and you are basically the 2 leading HC's I'd say your personal opinion DOES reflect on Destiny's...
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wrong. when I reflect Destiny as HC I make an announcement and dont give a player opinion..
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13 Sep 2007, 18:05
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Re: LOL? exi walkover as usual?
Tbh this should become our new HC forum innit? Start a new trend of "public politics"..
PS. Mission accomplished
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13 Sep 2007, 18:06
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eXilition seXyness
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Re: LOL? exi walkover as usual?
erm randoms outside mentioned... who? u mean those that we havent tagged yet?? and our allies + flak and naps who?? are you talking about pnaps.. which is quite normal.. and anti ur far from right about ministry giving up.. spoke with Tesla last night and ur so far from the truth..
feel free to pm me on irc and prove ur accusations, as im kinda eager to here who ur talking about..
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13 Sep 2007, 18:07
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EMO HC OF ASCENDANCY
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Re: LOL? exi walkover as usual?
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Originally Posted by Tesla
Tbh this should become our new HC forum innit? Start a new trend of "public politics"..
PS. Mission accomplished
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Agenda of the day:
Exile around so much exi doesnt know where to launch at us? Make them dizzy and then wtfpwn ! :/
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13 Sep 2007, 18:07
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Re: LOL? exi walkover as usual?
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Originally Posted by BlueArmy
to clear something up, ministry is NOT falling apart, disbanding or anything. Yes we've taken quite a beating to clearly superior numbers, we cant handle 200 planets solo, sorry we're not supermen (even though we like to believe it).. fighting exi and their randoms and allies alone is just tedious.... allies in pa got less balls than a girl... fking disappointed in what i've seen after my return... remove alliances and let gals fight for the win..
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Oh shut up. 200 planets? then why do you 'only' get 150+ defcalls a night... You guys still got more fleetslots then eXi (and co.?). If only you knew where to send em...
Seriously stop whining.
But then again... Ministry.....
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Originally Posted by Antigone
wrong. when I reflect Destiny as HC I make an announcement and dont give a player opinion..
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It's not about the announcement. As an HC you act on your opinions and the data given to you. You as a player made a post based on the same data/opinions. Don't give me the bs about keeping your opinions separated. You're HC of Destiny, either post or don't post. You're opinion is still based on the same.
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13 Sep 2007, 18:08
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EMO HC OF ASCENDANCY
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Re: LOL? exi walkover as usual?
Quote:
Originally Posted by Cartman
erm randoms outside mentioned... who? u mean those that we havent tagged yet?? and our allies + flak and naps who?? the only deals we currently have is pnaps.. which is quite normal.. and anti ur far from right about ministry giving up.. spoke with Tesla last night and ur so far from the truth..
feel free to pm me on irc and prove ur accusations, as im kinda eager to here who ur talking about..
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just coincidents that your waves are filled with other planets then? thought so...
and ye i think the two ministry kitten killers kinda stated we havent given up.. we're not like your current PA alliances...
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13 Sep 2007, 18:08
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eXilition seXyness
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Re: LOL? exi walkover as usual?
Bluearmy.. our arbi traces exiling :P
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13 Sep 2007, 18:09
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eXilition seXyness
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Re: LOL? exi walkover as usual?
tbh i could direct the same answer to you.. why does ur waves show f-crew + other allies.. but i think its just basically doublebookings or because of looking fat
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13 Sep 2007, 18:11
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EMO HC OF ASCENDANCY
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Re: LOL? exi walkover as usual?
Quote:
Originally Posted by Stoom
Oh shut up. 200 planets? then why do you 'only' get 150+ defcalls a night... You guys still got more fleetslots then eXi (and co.?). If only you knew where to send em...
Seriously stop whining.
But then again... Ministry.....
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def calls does not = planets attacking.. and it's not whining about exi tbh, it's about everyone else that sits on their thumbs and prefer to not fight...
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13 Sep 2007, 18:12
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Re: LOL? exi walkover as usual?
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tbh i could direct the same answer to you.. why does ur waves show f-crew + other allies.. but i think its just basically doublebookings or because of looking fat
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I dont see the point of this discussion EITHER..buuuuut since u brought it up: We arent exactly fat now are we.. (well.. some of us are, but thats irl and due to spending too much time in front of computer probably )
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13 Sep 2007, 18:12
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EMO HC OF ASCENDANCY
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Re: LOL? exi walkover as usual?
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Bluearmy.. our arbi traces exiling :P
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needs to tick before it updates though!
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13 Sep 2007, 18:14
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EMO HC OF ASCENDANCY
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Re: LOL? exi walkover as usual?
Quote:
Originally Posted by Tesla
I dont see the point of this discussion EITHER..buuuuut since u brought it up: We arent exactly fat now are we.. (well.. some of us are, but thats irl and due to spending too much time in front of computer probably )
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speak for yourself etc... on topic though, if people quitted crying about exi etc and tried to do something about it.. THINGS MIGHT HAVE BEEN DIFFERENT... and destiny saying that other allies arent interested, we approached you and "no it's not in our interest etc... "
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eXilition seXyness
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Re: LOL? exi walkover as usual?
we deal with sort of the same problem Tesla.. Thats why we are looking into promoting someone as a HC within exercise.. and have regular meetings each day with training
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13 Sep 2007, 18:14
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Re: LOL? exi walkover as usual?
kill more kittens!
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13 Sep 2007, 18:14
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Re: LOL? exi walkover as usual?
Quote:
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speak for yourself etc...
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U sleep on the floor tonight
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13 Sep 2007, 18:14
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Re: LOL? exi walkover as usual?
Quote:
Originally Posted by Cartman
erm randoms outside mentioned... who? u mean those that we havent tagged yet?? and our allies + flak and naps who?? the only deals we currently have is pnaps.. which is quite normal.. and anti ur far from right about ministry giving up.. spoke with Tesla last night and ur so far from the truth..
feel free to pm me on irc and prove ur accusations, as im kinda eager to here who ur talking about..
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allies: VS?
externals: I said its the grapevine mate
Ministry: I said you are farming them, no Ministry member was harmed during my post
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13 Sep 2007, 18:16
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eXilition seXyness
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Re: LOL? exi walkover as usual?
U said as in alot of allies and flak as in a block, and wtf do u mean by the grapevine..
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13 Sep 2007, 18:18
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Re: LOL? exi walkover as usual?
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Originally Posted by Cartman
U said as in alot of allies and flak as in a block, and wtf do u mean by the grapevine..
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That's how he got his intel. He heard it through the grapevine...
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13 Sep 2007, 18:19
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Re: LOL? exi walkover as usual?
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U said as in alot of allies and flak as in a block, and wtf do u mean by the grapevine..
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what? read up
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13 Sep 2007, 18:20
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The PropaGhandi
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Re: LOL? exi walkover as usual?
I'm confussled, is Ministry being beaten by a 32 peep alliance? :|
First i thought exisomething hadn't tagged, but when i looked further down on the list, they were :|
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13 Sep 2007, 18:36
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Re: LOL? exi walkover as usual?
well if it is as you say, and they indeed beat the crap out of ministry, then it isn't actually a walkover is it?
they simply beat all the opposition (where opposition=whatever ally fought them). only sensible thing to do is give credit where credit is due, or contribute towards the opposition.
whining on AD wont do anybody any good.
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13 Sep 2007, 18:48
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Re: LOL? exi walkover as usual?
So lets get this straight, exil have created Attack Groups .. whom are attacking as group effort along with allies, and those who succeed will be taken into tag and exil will win the round, those not in tag are not attacking with those in tag and avoiding the support planet rules and Anti doesnt like this.
Guerilla warfare !
Sorry to burst your bubble but as strategies go, its a good one, and if it succeeds then exil deserve to win !
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13 Sep 2007, 18:54
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Re: LOL? exi walkover as usual?
i lol'd ,
then i picked myself up off the floor
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13 Sep 2007, 18:57
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Re: LOL? exi walkover as usual?
Seriously, you all suck. If the evil eX empire needs to be beaten, then for christ sakes do it.
You can build ships, right? You know how to go to the missions page? After that it's not so hard.
Or wait, maybe this was the sim planet game I signed up for? I forget easily
I sometimes forget why I give a rats ass about alliance politics, and sometimes even consider playing for one of the so called hardcore alliances. Threads like this reminds me why I don't.
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Starting a thread with "LOL" should qualify for a permanent ban
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Re: LOL? exi walkover as usual?
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Re: LOL? exi walkover as usual?
Dont worry, I've signed up, and will start to kill eXilition as soon as I remember my login password
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Fightin-irish for life
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Re: LOL? exi walkover as usual?
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Dont worry, I've signed up, and will start to kill eXilition as soon as I remember my login password
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whats the price for your co-ords this rd , i got a credit last time
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Re: LOL? exi walkover as usual?
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tbh i could direct the same answer to you.. why does ur waves show f-crew + other allies.. but i think its just basically doublebookings or because of looking fat
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Best alliance to ever play the game and the major concern is F-crew piggy's...... Classic
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Re: LOL? exi walkover as usual?
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Best alliance to still play the game and the major concern is F-crew piggy's...... Classic
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FYP.
Oh, and I already congratulated exi on IRC, no need to do it again.
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eXilition seXyness
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Re: LOL? exi walkover as usual?
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Originally Posted by Mistwraith
So lets get this straight, exil have created Attack Groups .. whom are attacking as group effort along with allies, and those who succeed will be taken into tag and exil will win the round, those not in tag are not attacking with those in tag and avoiding the support planet rules and Anti doesnt like this.
Guerilla warfare !
Sorry to burst your bubble but as strategies go, its a good one, and if it succeeds then exil deserve to win !
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lol amusing u make it sound like we actually are quite brilliant at war strategy wish we had come up with that plan but the one we have is alot simpler im afraid (read as bg's and not tagging up.. basically same as other allies just not tagged yet) maby u can teach us abit of tactics some day? as that actually sounds like a nice tactic.. oh and as for the support planet rule.. last time i counted.. yeasterday it was, we were alltogether below max allowed
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13 Sep 2007, 21:32
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Re: LOL? exi walkover as usual?
Shitty round? Must be ascendancy's fault.
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Re: LOL? exi walkover as usual?
If this is true, it's just painful.
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Re: LOL? exi walkover as usual?
Quote:
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If this is true, it's just painful.
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it isnt.
Sadly.
I wanna sleep
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Quote:
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I would give me right testicle to be in a gal with you wishmaster!!! wonder if thatd be enough to bribe spinner with hmmmm
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Re: LOL? exi walkover as usual?
I'm only in eXilition because the alliance/BG i was in last 2 rounds kicked me out!
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Re: LOL? exi walkover as usual?
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it isnt.
Sadly.
I wanna sleep
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Re: LOL? exi walkover as usual?
In all fairness to eXi they've played extremely well and proved once again they are superiour. Im not saying they have countless allies or NAPS, but they people might as well be napping them if there purposely not targetting them.
Whatever.
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Re: LOL? exi walkover as usual?
I think what Anti is hinting at is that Destiny went into this round with 40-50 members with no political agenda, and yet somehow, other well established allies have either given up or imploded leaving Destiny as the only other main contender to fight exi. I would add VS to this also but afaik they are on exis side now. With Jenova dying a slow death ( about time too), ministry imploding, it will only be a matter of time before Vgn gives up and returns to galraiding.. ( im giving it around 3 days tops btw).
So tick 306 and noone has trhe balls to fight exi except a returning ally with 50 or so members. Well i know anti and i know destiny and althought it may not be pretty and the odds are stacked against them (80+ top class exi members) all i can say is at least they will have the balls to give Exi some incs. Best of luck to them and the rest should be ashamed
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Re: LOL? exi walkover as usual?
Did vgn actually hit exi? thought they just napped both sides and went for the roids?
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14 Sep 2007, 15:14
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The PropaGhandi
Join Date: May 2001
Posts: 796
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Re: LOL? exi walkover as usual?
I'm ashamed to say it: but i miss the kamakazimissions of penis showing Forest and the mighty rushes of duke leto & the best alliance in pa history :hirr.
Its all about the roids now, not about crush, kill & destroy
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14 Sep 2007, 15:15
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I see you!
Join Date: Sep 2002
Location: In any girl
Posts: 2,825
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Re: LOL? exi walkover as usual?
hirr!
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14 Sep 2007, 15:16
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Retard0r
Join Date: Apr 2001
Location: Norway
Posts: 1,164
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Re: LOL? exi walkover as usual?
Quote:
Originally Posted by Allfather
Its all about the roids now, not about crush, kill & destroy
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True, but hirr's main problem was that they usually were the ones to crush, kill and destroy their own planets instead of the enemy's planets
On a serious note, the lemmings did play very well up untill the last few days of the round.
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