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Unread 25 Jun 2005, 10:19   #1
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Iran have a new president

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/mid...st/4621249.stm

What I don't understand is:
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The US said the election was "flawed" and described it as "out of step" with regional trends towards democracy.
Flawed because the election didn't go the way the US would have wanted?
We had fraud in the elections in the UK and surely there couldn't be enough to get 62% of the vote?
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Re: Iran have a new president

if the us doesnt like the result ofc its 'flawed'. if anyone knows who should a country its the government of the US, thats what democracy is all about, isnt it? i mean, look at the middle east, the US is doing its very best to transform it into stronghold of democracy and bring the poor, backward people to the light and the people of iran dare doing something like this !!
ok, so they had some more or less fair elections, but what does it matter, if the wrong guy wins?
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Re: Iran have a new president

The United States is the paradigm of democracy (as well as being the land of the free and the home of the brave, obviously), so it makes sense to define democracy as "what the people of the United States want to happen". The peoples of other countries, not being as democratically minded as the citizens of the United States, can't really be allowed to make decisions for themselves as they don't really know what they want or what's best for them.
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We had fraud in the elections in the UK and surely there couldn't be enough to get 62% of the vote?
That was committed by muslims too.
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Re: Iran have a new president

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UK Foreign Secretary Jack Straw said there were "serious deficiencies" in the election, noting that many reformists, and all women candidates, had been barred from standing.
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That happens every time Iran has an election. In fact, that's how the process is controlled; the vote as a whole doesn't need to be rigged, because the Mullahs have already decided on the range of candidates that will be on offer. They ultimately win, regardless of whether a 'reformer' is elected, or not.
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Re: Iran have a new president

Imagine they elected a hamster as president. You would have to ask - "So who owns the hamster".
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Even the Iranians wouldn't elect a hamster as President.

They're crazy, and they want to destroy our entire way of life, and get their hands on our womenfolk, but they're not that crazy.
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Re: Iran have a new president

Just because the US says something doesn't mean it is automaticly wrong.
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Re: Iran have a new president

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Just because the US says something doesn't mean it is automaticly wrong.
And just because the UK agrees doesn't make them right either. Now if Germany and France agree...
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If Germany and France agree then we need to reassess our position.
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And just because the UK agrees doesn't make them right either. Now if Germany and France agree...
then it edges toward what the "international community" term a "consensus"
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The election probably was flawed [blah] much like elctions are flawed...something about capitalism..[/blah], the United States has no right to lecture other countries on electing Conservative religious fundamentalists with backward views on issues such as sexuality and women. Let us recall that the last time the USA got to choose the Iranian premier they chose the Shah a leader so great that people preferred Ayatollah Khomeini.
When I saw you'd posted, I expected the usual fire and brimstone post criticising more or less everyone in the thread, and all I got was a clapped-out semi-rant.
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Re: Iran have a new president

Democracy is shit anyways, we need to select absolute leaders American Idol style. Or maybe have a Big Brother television series show down, and whoever wins get's to be Big Brother.
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Re: Iran have a new president

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That happens every time Iran has an election. In fact, that's how the process is controlled; the vote as a whole doesn't need to be rigged, because the Mullahs have already decided on the range of candidates that will be on offer. They ultimately win, regardless of whether a 'reformer' is elected, or not.

well yes and no, the iranian hierarchy is a little confusing

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/shared/spl/h...ml/default.stm

but an iranian i once talked to suggested that the 'mullah' angle was sometimes overplayed in the west, obviously the set up is there to ensure no counter revolution takes place, but from the perspective of the iranians theres actually a quite a bit of choice and subtle politics behind the scenes. Its not something i agree with or would want to live under but the candidates weren't all 'pro mullah' the iranian public seem to have chosen someone who may deliver economic prosperity at the sake of reforms that haven't really got them anywhere with the current president.
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Even the Iranians wouldn't elect a hamster as President.

They're crazy, and they want to destroy our entire way of life, and get their hands on our womenfolk, but they're not that crazy.
Just a question but isnt this new guy a bit crazy aka he wants Iran to have nuclear weapons and says that Iran have a right to?
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Just a question but isnt this new guy a bit crazy aka he wants Iran to have nuclear weapons and says that Iran have a right to?
1/3 of Irans border is to Russia, 1/3 to the US.

Wanting to have nuclear weapons isn't crazy, it's perfectly understandable.
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Eh, which bit of the US does Iran border?
iraq and afganistan? you can hardly call them souvereign countries right now, can you?
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I understand why countries want nuclear weapons. The whole Iraq WMD thing means sent a pretty clear message to any country that if you DON'T have Nukes you better get them quick. That's why Libya gets constructive negotiation and Iraq got ****ed in the arse.

In saying that whilst we may wish to express solidarity with nations who stand against US hegemony, we should recall that Iran is not a great place to live for many many reasons and that we don't want any more nukes in the world. I am n t saying the US has any right to nukes and frankly as no right to complain, it is a bad situaiton but its not one that is going to be solved by even more opportunities for death and destruction.
then what? destroy all nukes of all countries? yes, that would be nice, but highly unlikely. if iran should ever build nuclear weapons i think its highly unlikly that they will ever use them unless they are attacked. parkistan and india are more dangerous and they already have these weapons.
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Eh? I think you're mistaken.
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Eh? I think you're mistaken.
He most certainly is:

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well, that upper part used to be russian. hes not wrong, just 15 years late.
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Re: Iran have a new president

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Oh in Iran they treat women so poorly, what a backwards country', What about anti-abortion you ****s, what about cutting benefits for single mothers? What about teaching abstinence as sex education? What about massive disparity between male and female salaries?
Yes, Iran is a wonderful place. Maybe you should lobby to import a few thousand mullahs and tlurn your country over to them. Disband all corporations. Confiscate all personal wealth and throw away all arms. After you've tried it for awhile drop us a note and let us know how it went and we'll look into following suit. Check with your wife, girlfriend or mother and see if they would like to have a right wing Islamic government. Post their answer.
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Yes, Iran is a wonderful place. Maybe you should lobby to import a few thousand mullahs and tlurn your country over to them. Disband all corporations. Confiscate all personal wealth and throw away all arms. After you've tried it for awhile drop us a note and let us know how it went and we'll look into following suit. Check with your wife, girlfriend or mother and see if they would like to have a right wing Islamic government. Post their answer.
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Jesus was not mentioned during this election, therefore the election is undemocratic.
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The whole Iraq WMD thing means sent a pretty clear message to any country that if you DON'T have Nukes you better get them quick. That's why Libya gets constructive negotiation and Iraq got ****ed in the arse.
hehe, indeed. the Best thing Saddam Hussein could have done was start a WMD program and then abandon it. then he wouldn't be in his pants on the front of The Sun.
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Even the Iranians wouldn't elect a hamster as President.

They're crazy,
you are crazy. your mother is crazy. your entire goddamn family is crazy.
How dare you insult me and my entire countrymen????


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and they want to destroy our entire way of life,
we do not give a rat´s ass about your stupid way of your goddamn life. you can go screw yourself as far as we are concerned. you stupid piece of garbage!!


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and get their hands on our womenfolk, but they're not that crazy.
screw you and your ugly women. we wouldnt even touch your women with pincers.
now get out of my sight, you dumb racist piece of trash.



ps: I don´t give a damn even if you were being sarcastic. noone talks like that about me or my countrymen. not even in sarcasm!
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Based on your contributions in this thread, I think you should stick to purely legal argumentation in future.

based on your contributions in this thread, I think you should shut the **** up
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you are crazy. your mother is crazy. your entire goddamn family is crazy.

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you are even more retarded than i thought. at least last time you tried to make sense...this time it's just babble.


like the words coming out of your in-bred offspring, am i right?
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And they say foreigners can't comprehend sarcasm.
Or maybe he was using a double bluff and is in fact far funnier than we could imagine.
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Or maybe he was using a double bluff and is in fact far funnier than we could imagine.
Perhaps, but I don't hold out much hope, based on his previous performances.


Can we lower the tone a bit, please?
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Re: Iran have a new president

There should be a poll! is perle double funny bluffing MM or is he infact



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like the words coming out of your in-bred offspring, am i right?

Hello stupid son.

Didnt i tell you to keep our little PRIVATE secret ??
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Hello stupid son.

Didnt i tell you to keep our little PRIVATE secret ??
Come back when you've learned to be civil. And less of a twat.
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Hello stupid son.

Didnt i tell you to keep our little PRIVATE secret ??
well you just spent too much time inside your mother's/sister's/dog's privates for me to give a flying ****.
and that's why your offspring babble incoherently and twitch every now and then.


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Based on your contributions in this thread, I think you should stick to purely legal argumentation in future.
I'll only post in legal discussions or in ones where others are venturing purely personal reactions to complex problems for which they insufficient evidence or in threads which are totally shit anyway. That should limit me nicely.
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you also need to come on irc.
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I am trying but am a technoidiot. I have downloaded the program (I think) but am not entirely satisfied that I have gone to the right spot after that.
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download mirc
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put your name and details in the box that comes up (you only need to put your nick and second nick, everything else you can just spam asdasdsahdjsdha etc)
type in the window at the bottom - "/server irc.netgamers.org" without the "s
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Re: Iran have a new president

Thank you. Will try when I get home.
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Unread 27 Jun 2005, 23:28   #45
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Re: Iran have a new president

At least he's honest.
http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au...5E7583,00.html
Ahmadinejad describes himself as a fundamentalist, has no qualms about asserting that there can be no democracy in Islam, rejects free-market economics, and insists on "religious duties" rather than human rights. This clarity will, in the medium term, help the people of Iran understand the choices involved. They will learn that they cannot have an Islamist system together with the goodies that the modern world offers in both material and spiritual terms.
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I'll tell you one thing, though.

He really needs to get some good decent shampoo and conditioner, and stop using the half a ton of brylcream he evidently is atm.
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