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19 Jul 2014, 10:53
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Re: R58 Stats
as we saw with 3 pod classes this round it provides a diverse range of alliance strats.
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19 Jul 2014, 11:11
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Re: R58 Stats
It is also horrific for DCs. Could you at least considering giving Xans only 2 pod classes? If not xans cap loads simply by sending pod only fleets consisting of three classes because alliances cant afford to cover three types of incs at once. This just contributes to giving those who go this route an easy time not making them more strategic!
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19 Jul 2014, 11:39
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Re: R58 Stats
in my opinion i think that's not an issue of stats but with the strat chosen and the dc ability and member activity of an alliance. Getting roided by pod fakes is no ones fault but your own. having 3 pod classes gives you the flexibility to change strat without too much fuss if your current one isn't working.
Are there any obvious stand out race that is OP?
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19 Jul 2014, 14:19
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Re: R58 Stats
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Originally Posted by M0RPH3US
erm...is it me!? or is that the new Planetarion2.0 ???
2 podclasses for TER and ZIK, 3 for CAT and XAN and ETD even with 4 ?
And thats because TER was so overpowered the last 10 rounds ? I can only imagine this set to be a late aprils fool.
ok after lookin on more then the podclasses i have to rephrase the aprils fools wording.
How is anyone going to play anything else but FR with this set, while the only option to roid those FR forts is attacking them with FR !?
please pick another set now, so the guy doing it has enough time to tweak ACDC, thank you
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Someone said CO was way too overpowered, and someone else said that it was gonna be all xan FI, so i think my set is the best thats been made in years if this is the trtuth
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19 Jul 2014, 14:20
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Re: R58 Stats
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Originally Posted by Blue_Esper
in my opinion i think that's not an issue of stats but with the strat chosen and the dc ability and member activity of an alliance. Getting roided by pod fakes is no ones fault but your own. having 3 pod classes gives you the flexibility to change strat without too much fuss if your current one isn't working.
Are there any obvious stand out race that is OP?
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I dont like how your has been set up tbh, all the races has eta 7 roid class?
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19 Jul 2014, 14:23
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Re: R58 Stats
Is that not almost inevitable if all races have 3 classes with pods?
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19 Jul 2014, 14:50
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Re: R58 Stats
The stats currently on beta are decent I guess but cath should never have a steal ship that can steal into their attack class. I also miss and don't know why zik never has a "def ship" anymore. Zik used to be able to have that one ship that had priority on init vs either fr/de/cr/bs. This allowed zik to be able to defend properly solo and attack some trgts solo. With these stats zik still can never attack by itself.
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19 Jul 2014, 14:56
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#108
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Propaganda Chief
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Re: R58 Stats
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Originally Posted by booji
Is that not almost inevitable if all races have 3 classes with pods?
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I don like 3 class sets then
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20 Jul 2014, 06:09
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Re: R58 Stats
There are way too many problems with the stats in Beta. Why would everyone NOT play xan. It D/C is better than Terran A/C and it fires 1st over everything. It will just end up being a xan/cath round AGAIN.
I think we should let Blue_esper put his stats into beta they are more balanced and atleast take each race's attack and def choices into account as apposed to Alliance attack and alliance defense options.
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20 Jul 2014, 08:48
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Re: R58 Stats
I don't think the D/C and A/C are done yet? Probably still has some old numbers in there from previous round.
Need to give Xan pretty crappy D/C A/C to make them ok with these stats.
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20 Jul 2014, 12:09
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Re: R58 Stats
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Originally Posted by Tiamat101
There are way too many problems with the stats in Beta. Why would everyone NOT play xan. It D/C is better than Terran A/C and it fires 1st over everything. It will just end up being a xan/cath round AGAIN.
I think we should let Blue_esper put his stats into beta they are more balanced and atleast take each race's attack and def choices into account as apposed to Alliance attack and alliance defense options.
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So why would everyone go xan? What would be the allie strat?
FI?
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20 Jul 2014, 20:54
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Re: R58 Stats
Haven't looked at the stats in a calc yet... but please keep in mind cloak is a massive advantage and it needs to be reflected in the shipvalue. Overpowered xan round (not saying it is or isnt in this set) is the most boring thing ever. Except when tia makes stats obviously.... that's much worse.
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21 Jul 2014, 06:24
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Re: R58 Stats
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Originally Posted by Tiamat101
There are way too many problems with the stats in Beta. Why would everyone NOT play xan. It D/C is better than Terran A/C and it fires 1st over everything. It will just end up being a xan/cath round AGAIN.
I think we should let Blue_esper put his stats into beta they are more balanced and atleast take each race's attack and def choices into account as apposed to Alliance attack and alliance defense options.
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I prefer blue esper stats too. Easy to make them playable.
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21 Jul 2014, 20:32
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Re: R58 Stats
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There is no "we".
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No. There's just me
though these days I need a mini me to be an allianceless, power-crazy person, etc.
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22 Jul 2014, 11:20
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Re: R58 Stats
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Originally Posted by Appocomaster
though these days I need a mini me to be an allianceless, power-crazy person, etc.
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22 Jul 2014, 15:49
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Re: R58 Stats
Regarding BB's stats, the Predator and Peacekeeper are almost the same ship, even same init and targeting. This isn't nescessarily bad for the stats, just... not pretty? :P
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26 Jul 2014, 08:37
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Re: R58 Stats
wish appoco would decide on a set of stats and run with it. me personally, one set of stats is about all i have time to analyze and fix before signups open. so the sooner appoco picks a set the better..
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26 Jul 2014, 08:51
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Re: R58 Stats
Quite, I feel like I have stats pouring out my ears. Now that I have been looking at Blue Esper's yesterday I can no longer remember what I thought of BButcher's!
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26 Jul 2014, 14:32
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Re: R58 Stats
why not have a vote on the 3 offered ones
24h
and then we know what to tweak and whom to whine at (i am afraid i have no real favourite, i´d love a set where xan and cat dont have eta7 pods)
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26 Jul 2014, 14:44
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Re: R58 Stats
Looking at the bright side, r59 and r60 stats are close to be finished. We shouldnt waste the effortshere
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26 Jul 2014, 15:21
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Re: R58 Stats
Id say we go for the first one we had in beta (my stats)
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26 Jul 2014, 15:35
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Re: R58 Stats
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Looking at the bright side, r59 and r60 stats are close to be finished. We shouldnt waste the effortshere
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noooooooooooooo
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26 Jul 2014, 15:55
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Re: R58 Stats
I like the idea of "op" stats. last rounds were all pretty balanced..
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27 Jul 2014, 01:27
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Re: R58 Stats
Please. Just let us know what stats will be used this next round. So we can start thinking about it. BB?BLUESPE?PAPADOC?
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28 Jul 2014, 07:12
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Re: R58 Stats
Are we any closer on this?
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1 Aug 2014, 10:23
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Re: R58 Stats
Think I might come up with a set of stats for next round, so we can avoid the debacle of this round.
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1 Aug 2014, 10:46
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Re: R58 Stats
Look forward to seeing them
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