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9 Nov 2017, 20:05
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"Fos" the VGN repeat cheater
Consider this case: - r70: a player used another planet as covop farm and received ships donations from it (unfortunately only noticed at end of r71)
- r71: a player used another planet as covop farm and received ships donations from it (unfortunately only noticed at end of r71)
- r72: a player used another planet as ship farm; both farm planet and actual planet got closed
- r73: nothing special - but also not looked very closely (maybe I should do so)
- r74: a player received a ship donation from another planet [I lack data to verify if it is/was used as covop farm]
Now guess what the action taken so far is?
Actions I would've expected: - closing of the repeat cheater OR as a minimum removing the ships that were donated
- closing planet donating the ships
Actual actions taken: - planet donating the ships got closed (clearly a sign that something is going on)
- planet receiving the ships remains open and gets to keep the ships
I just find this very disappointing..
For those interested: the ship donation this round: - ETD planet launched their first fleet after 589 ticks
- first fleet launched was an attack fleet to a VGN planet
- attack fleets launched consist out of: 35k Recluse (FI) and 1k Merchants (CO)
- Fos stole 31k Recluse
- planet being attacked had no other defence
- planet being attacked lost zero roids
Wouldn't it be great for a Zik planet attacking with FI to have some Recluse to join on attack?
Certainly Recluse must be in great demand by Zik planets..
So let's check the universe: there are 133 Zik planets; 12 out of these have Recluse:
Amount of Recluse: - 174,184
- 31,250
- 12,700
- 7,971
- 7,647
- 4,396
- 2,330
- 1,140
- 1,066
- 731
- 710
- 81
So by landing a single def fleet on what just happens to be the first attack fleet of a planet which just happens to launch an odd attack fleet the player became #2 in Recluses owned by Zik planets.
I guess it's all just a coincidence and nothing planned..
Note: the planet with the 174k Recluse: at this stage I can't easily find out where these came from.. (so far I can account for only 90k of them and so far I'm not convinced that it was a donation)
PS: VGN planet involved is in top 25.
PS-2: anyone interested in second hand credits? I think it's time to call quits.
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9 Nov 2017, 21:11
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Dictator
Join Date: May 2007
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Re: "Fos" the VGN repeat cheater
I will take your credits
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9 Nov 2017, 21:19
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Join Date: Jun 2005
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Re: "Fos" the VGN repeat cheater
ACE IS TOO SOFT well spotted bram
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9 Nov 2017, 23:45
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Re: "Fos" the VGN repeat cheater
Maybe the PA community should police this offender themselves... if ya get what I mean
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10 Nov 2017, 01:18
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Re: "Fos" the VGN repeat cheater
Fos is a known cheater, no surprises there
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12 Feb 2018, 00:52
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Re: "Fos" the VGN repeat cheater
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12 Feb 2018, 14:11
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Re: "Fos" the VGN repeat cheater
This has been asked before. But again why are only the multi accounts closed and not the ones using them?
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12 Feb 2018, 16:20
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Join Date: Aug 2005
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Re: "Fos" the VGN repeat cheater
Because proving an account is a multi is easy, but proving they are a multi account owned by a specific player is hard.
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13 Feb 2018, 07:15
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Propaganda Chief
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Re: "Fos" the VGN repeat cheater
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mzyxptlk
Because proving an account is a multi is easy, but proving they are a multi account owned by a specific player is hard.
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And the main planets tend to whine more than multi planets when being closed
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13 Feb 2018, 08:00
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Re: "Fos" the VGN repeat cheater
:d
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13 Feb 2018, 12:31
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Re: "Fos" the VGN repeat cheater
Why does he still get accepted in an alliance?
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13 Feb 2018, 13:38
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Propaganda Chief
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Re: "Fos" the VGN repeat cheater
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Originally Posted by Shhhhhhh
Why does he still get accepted in an alliance?
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JUDO and Fos run VGN.
Sad fact is that without the around 400 defence fleets VGN used from their multies, its unlikely CBA, Fos or JUDO wouldve been sitting on those ranks they currently are. 150 defence fleets from the closed planets went to 6:6 and 4:4 alone
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13 Feb 2018, 22:22
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Mind-boggling
Join Date: Dec 2006
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Re: "Fos" the VGN repeat cheater
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Originally Posted by BloodyButcher
JUDO and Fos run VGN.
Sad fact is that without the around 400 defence fleets VGN used from their multies, its unlikely CBA, Fos or JUDO wouldve been sitting on those ranks they currently are. 150 defence fleets from the closed planets went to 6:6 and 4:4 alone
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Hmm ?
Judo sitting at rank 300 or so therefore he’s not really making use of them!
Afaik I didn’t have one def fleet from any of the closed planets. All my def has come from
Ingal or the FL guys in VGN....
Cool story bro !
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13 Feb 2018, 23:00
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Propaganda Chief
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Re: "Fos" the VGN repeat cheater
Quote:
Originally Posted by CBA
Afaik I didn’t have one def fleet from any of the closed planets. All my def has come from
Ingal or the FL guys in VGN....
Cool story bro !
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You had like 30 defence fleets from the closed gal? Atleast try get your statements correct.
Every time we attacked a high ranking VGN this round, we had to recall due to these ETD planets crashing their fleets on our attack fleets.
They even keep defending against us after they were closed using the alliance defence fleet, wich make this whole thing even more of a middle finger up to all those players trying to be legit.
https://game.planetarion.com/showsca...a33hd93rsy3pbi
We are not even playing in BowS, we just 3 fleet attack everyday, and im sure we wouldve had several top100 planets if not for the multi planets constantly defending against us everyday, so it must be even more bitter for those that are putting an effort into this game.
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16 Feb 2018, 16:13
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Re: "Fos" the VGN repeat cheater
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Originally Posted by BloodyButcher
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Their ally didn't kick the accounts even after it was found out? Can't use the excuse that you didn't know if you keep closed accounts in the ally and keep using them
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13 Feb 2018, 22:23
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Join Date: Dec 2006
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Re: "Fos" the VGN repeat cheater
Quote:
Originally Posted by Shhhhhhh
Why does he still get accepted in an alliance?
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Who?
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16 Feb 2018, 16:04
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Re: "Fos" the VGN repeat cheater
Quote:
Originally Posted by CBA
Who?
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Fos
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13 Feb 2018, 19:43
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Leader Of The Gang
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Re: "Fos" the VGN repeat cheater
I won't speak on behalf of cba, but 140 went to 6:6 there Fos planets not cba.
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14 Feb 2018, 00:51
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Re: "Fos" the VGN repeat cheater
I like you and have always got along with you buch, in one way or another, but 4:4 won / is winning currently due to our activity, not multis, we have a galaxy with 3 hr 3 ult 2 ct 1 nd and a VGN, 6:6 on the other hand is full off VGN and it has been said multiple times on telegram and from players I know within VGN that Fos ran the planets, I don't know if that's true or not but I assume it is based on his history of cheating the last 2/3 rounds.
Question, why would Fos let his defense planets defend CBA? When CBAs galaxy are running away with the win from tick 300/400?
Makes little sence
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14 Feb 2018, 01:02
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Propaganda Chief
Join Date: May 2004
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Re: "Fos" the VGN repeat cheater
Quote:
Originally Posted by Adapt
I like you and have always got along with you buch, in one way or another, but 4:4 won / is winning currently due to our activity, not multis, we have a galaxy with 3 hr 3 ult 2 ct 1 nd and a VGN, 6:6 on the other hand is full off VGN and it has been said multiple times on telegram and from players I know within VGN that Fos ran the planets, I don't know if that's true or not but I assume it is based on his history of cheating the last 2/3 rounds.
Question, why would Fos let his defense planets defend CBA? When CBAs galaxy are running away with the win from tick 300/400?
Makes little sence
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Its irrelevant wether 4:4 is winning or not, what i said is that CBA/Fos and that other top planet in 6:6 wich apparently isnt JUDO couldve/wouldve been roided numerous times if not for having a crazy amount of illegale def fleets saving them over and over again.
BowS has been attacking VGN a lot this round, and we have constantly been met with these ETD Distributor fleets, and if we hadnt those VGN planets wouldve been roided in one day instead of staying top10 for 40 days basicly.
In regard of top planets this round, so far its been a joke. The only thing it proves is that you have to be a cheater or be in a tag full of cheaters to even have a shot at getting a decent rank.
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14 Feb 2018, 10:06
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Re: "Fos" the VGN repeat cheater
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Originally Posted by BloodyButcher
Its irrelevant wether 4:4 is winning or not, what i said is that CBA/Fos and that other top planet in 6:6 wich apparently isnt JUDO couldve/wouldve been roided numerous times if not for having a crazy amount of illegale def fleets saving them over and over again.
BowS has been attacking VGN a lot this round, and we have constantly been met with these ETD Distributor fleets, and if we hadnt those VGN planets wouldve been roided in one day instead of staying top10 for 40 days basicly.
In regard of top planets this round, so far its been a joke. The only thing it proves is that you have to be a cheater or be in a tag full of cheaters to even have a shot at getting a decent rank.
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I can confirm that, the other "top planet" you speak of received 1 def fleet from the entire of those closed planets which was around tick 300. and it would have been from another planet had it not been from that one anyways. so no your cr 3 fleet tag would not be all t100
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14 Feb 2018, 13:01
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Propaganda Chief
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Re: "Fos" the VGN repeat cheater
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Originally Posted by Blue_Esper
I can confirm that, the other "top planet" you speak of received 1 def fleet from the entire of those closed planets which was around tick 300. and it would have been from another planet had it not been from that one anyways. so no your cr 3 fleet tag would not be all t100
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Yeah, "the other guy" did not benefit from his gal mates recieving 3 digits defence fleets from illegale planets.
I would assume your the other guy, or the other guy is your friend or gal mate?
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14 Feb 2018, 14:44
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Re: "Fos" the VGN repeat cheater
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Originally Posted by BloodyButcher
Yeah, "the other guy" did not benefit from his gal mates recieving 3 digits defence fleets from illegale planets.
I would assume your the other guy, or the other guy is your friend or gal mate?
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I'm curious to see where you get your numbers from?
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15 Feb 2018, 00:03
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Re: "Fos" the VGN repeat cheater
Alliance with 8 members cannot land vs a full tag... Must be cheating!
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15 Feb 2018, 00:10
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Propaganda Chief
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Re: "Fos" the VGN repeat cheater
Quote:
Originally Posted by Dorf
Alliance with 8 members cannot land vs a full tag... Must be cheating!
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Well we allready know it was cheating this time, the planets are closed? or are you disputing they wernt closed?
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15 Feb 2018, 08:16
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Re: "Fos" the VGN repeat cheater
Blue isn't ult for the record. Haven't been for quite some time.
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15 Feb 2018, 12:33
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Propaganda Chief
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Re: "Fos" the VGN repeat cheater
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Originally Posted by DrunkenViking
Blue isn't ult for the record. Haven't been for quite some time.
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Aha. Maybe he is "the other guy" then after all
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15 Feb 2018, 13:35
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Re: "Fos" the VGN repeat cheater
I confess I haven't read all this because Butcher just goes on and on about anything and everything he has no idea on...
However I can confirm the Rainbows planets would never be close to T100 anyway. And they rarely are even in a full tag.
A) They crash constantly
B) They don't do def
The Bows planets spent their time hitting VGN when VGN were at war and we always deffed V them because a very high chance of crash. If the 8:2 planets didnt def v them someone else would have.
Also I didn't get any Inc from Bows myself to very suprised you feel I used "my" support planets to def V you guys when you didnt even hit me
Typical Butcher - Propaganda Felon
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15 Feb 2018, 13:52
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Re: "Fos" the VGN repeat cheater
Why would you want to defend vs CR with your disturb fleets? It only means equal death?
Having 50% of your ETD anti CR in multi planets certainly help your capabilities to defend vs CR.
"If the 8:2 planets didnt def v them someone else would have"
Then why do you bother signing up multies CBA? if you can win by playing fair, why not do it?
We only hit the targets that was avaible in raid, im not sure if your planet was.
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15 Feb 2018, 17:11
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Re: "Fos" the VGN repeat cheater
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Originally Posted by BloodyButcher
Why would you want to defend vs CR with your disturb fleets? It only means equal death?
Having 50% of your ETD anti CR in multi planets certainly help your capabilities to defend vs CR.
"If the 8:2 planets didnt def v them someone else would have"
Then why do you bother signing up multies CBA? if you can win by playing fair, why not do it?
We only hit the targets that was avaible in raid, im not sure if your planet was.
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Yeah okay you don't know my coords okay then
Either way Bitcher get a life and hit me up on TG !
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16 Feb 2018, 09:52
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Re: "Fos" the VGN repeat cheater
A little different I'd say. But if that is an admission of guilt at least you've got better at disguising things
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16 Feb 2018, 11:54
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Re: "Fos" the VGN repeat cheater
Stealing 500 vamp first week is lucky.
Who was the attacker?
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16 Feb 2018, 15:00
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Re: "Fos" the VGN repeat cheater
Quote:
Originally Posted by bloodybutcher
stealing 500 vamp first week is lucky.
Who was the attacker?
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20 Feb 2018, 21:53
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Re: "Fos" the VGN repeat cheater
Butcher as ever you are full of shit. I had the grand total of 8 def Fleets from 8:2 in 1100 ticks. Whoa there’s abuse.
Never let the truth get in the way of utter Bollocks tho.
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Re: "Fos" the VGN repeat cheater
Quote:
Originally Posted by JUDO
Butcher as ever you are full of shit. I had the grand total of 8 def Fleets from 8:2 in 1100 ticks. Whoa there’s abuse��.
Never let the truth get in the way of utter Bollocks tho.
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He thought you were 6:6:6. He knows its Esper now.
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21 Feb 2018, 05:53
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Re: "Fos" the VGN repeat cheater
Quote:
Originally Posted by Kaiba
He thought you were 6:6:6. He knows its Esper now.
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6.6.6 recieved even less help from 8.2(1 fleet)! so clearly JUDO is guiilty! I'd name drop CBA but he hasn't had incs all round to utilise 8.2 def fleets!
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Propaganda Chief
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Re: "Fos" the VGN repeat cheater
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Originally Posted by JUDO
Butcher as ever you are full of shit. I had the grand total of 8 def Fleets from 8:2 in 1100 ticks. Whoa there’s abuse��.
Never let the truth get in the way of utter Bollocks tho.
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Yeah, you are quite the gentleman arnt you?
What happend to "GingerCat"?
If you have turned legit suddently, maybe you should make sure to get rid of the cheaters in your close proximity, as you are a well know multi holder from the past its easy to suspect you for being one of the brains behind it.
We both know you were aware of what was going on, and you couldve stopped this cheating a long time ago.
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Re: "Fos" the VGN repeat cheater
Burcher shouldnt u be closed too then you list alot of "creative solution " alliances in your profile. Your accusations are seated on a carisan crash. Boohoo if u can not win with facts then we start the namecalling game.. Sorry bows sucks ass. Btw shouldnt u report me too i had free bows salvage twice...
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Re: "Fos" the VGN repeat cheater
There are multiple repeat offenders, imo i think ppl should simply be perma banned if the are caught cheating more than once. But then Zwan and Elviz wouldnt be around, so i guess thats a loss of some sorts.. maybe i dunno
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Re: "Fos" the VGN repeat cheater
7:9:4(VGN) is closed/being deleted, has been for 42 ticks now
So I hear.... Way to go boys
Seems it is gone too.
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22 Mar 2018, 10:25
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Re: "Fos" the VGN repeat cheater
don't let the truth get in the way of a good story
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Re: "Fos" the VGN repeat cheater
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don't let the truth get in the way of a good story
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ofc not
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Re: "Fos" the VGN repeat cheater
Quote:
Originally Posted by Bram
Consider this case: - r70: a player used another planet as covop farm and received ships donations from it (unfortunately only noticed at end of r71)
- r71: a player used another planet as covop farm and received ships donations from it (unfortunately only noticed at end of r71)
- r72: a player used another planet as ship farm; both farm planet and actual planet got closed
- r73: nothing special - but also not looked very closely (maybe I should do so)
- r74: a player received a ship donation from another planet [I lack data to verify if it is/was used as covop farm]
Now guess what the action taken so far is?
Actions I would've expected: - closing of the repeat cheater OR as a minimum removing the ships that were donated
- closing planet donating the ships
Actual actions taken: - planet donating the ships got closed (clearly a sign that something is going on)
- planet receiving the ships remains open and gets to keep the ships
I just find this very disappointing..
For those interested: the ship donation this round: - ETD planet launched their first fleet after 589 ticks
- first fleet launched was an attack fleet to a VGN planet
- attack fleets launched consist out of: 35k Recluse (FI) and 1k Merchants (CO)
- Fos stole 31k Recluse
- planet being attacked had no other defence
- planet being attacked lost zero roids
Wouldn't it be great for a Zik planet attacking with FI to have some Recluse to join on attack?
Certainly Recluse must be in great demand by Zik planets..
So let's check the universe: there are 133 Zik planets; 12 out of these have Recluse:
Amount of Recluse: - 174,184
- 31,250
- 12,700
- 7,971
- 7,647
- 4,396
- 2,330
- 1,140
- 1,066
- 731
- 710
- 81
So by landing a single def fleet on what just happens to be the first attack fleet of a planet which just happens to launch an odd attack fleet the player became #2 in Recluses owned by Zik planets.
I guess it's all just a coincidence and nothing planned..
Note: the planet with the 174k Recluse: at this stage I can't easily find out where these came from.. (so far I can account for only 90k of them and so far I'm not convinced that it was a donation)
PS: VGN planet involved is in top 25.
PS-2: anyone interested in second hand credits? I think it's time to call quits.
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