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7 Jul 2008, 11:11
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Re: For nothing can seem foul to those that win
The bashing of Denial had nothing to do with the cheating; it was just a good excuse for it.
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The outraged poets threw sticks and rocks over the side of the bridge. They were all missing Mary and he felt a contented smug feeling wash over him. He would have given them a coy little wave if the roof hadn't collapsed just then. Mary then found himself in the middle of an understandably shocked family's kitchen table. So he gave them the coy little wave and realized it probably would have been more effective if he hadn't been lying on their turkey.
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7 Jul 2008, 17:18
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Join Date: Feb 2001
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Re: For nothing can seem foul to those that win
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Originally Posted by Mzyxptlk
The bashing of Denial had nothing to do with the cheating; it was just a good excuse for it.
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Bullshit.
It can be expected that a cheating nr1 alliance will attract more attention and hostile feelings then the odd rank 11 alliance.
Also ... bashing Orbit with several top10 alliances would clearly be silly.
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7 Jul 2008, 18:08
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mz.
Join Date: Aug 2005
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Re: For nothing can seem foul to those that win
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Originally Posted by Riddim
Bullshit.
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You know, I wasn't being entirely serious. Just so you know.
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The outraged poets threw sticks and rocks over the side of the bridge. They were all missing Mary and he felt a contented smug feeling wash over him. He would have given them a coy little wave if the roof hadn't collapsed just then. Mary then found himself in the middle of an understandably shocked family's kitchen table. So he gave them the coy little wave and realized it probably would have been more effective if he hadn't been lying on their turkey.
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7 Jul 2008, 18:30
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Re: For nothing can seem foul to those that win
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bashing Orbit with several top10 alliances would clearly be silly.
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Silly but smart. Sun Tzu would not have it otherwise and Machiavelly would say "excellent." (The good general wins first, and then engages in battle.)
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7 Jul 2008, 19:00
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Join Date: May 2001
Location: Finland
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Re: For nothing can seem foul to those that win
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Originally Posted by Riddim
Also ... bashing Orbit with several top10 alliances would clearly be silly.
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Silly but fairly amusing?
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7 Jul 2008, 19:24
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mz.
Join Date: Aug 2005
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Re: For nothing can seem foul to those that win
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Originally Posted by Tietäjä
Silly but fairly amusing?
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Since when is this game about amusement. You're talking crazy man!
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The outraged poets threw sticks and rocks over the side of the bridge. They were all missing Mary and he felt a contented smug feeling wash over him. He would have given them a coy little wave if the roof hadn't collapsed just then. Mary then found himself in the middle of an understandably shocked family's kitchen table. So he gave them the coy little wave and realized it probably would have been more effective if he hadn't been lying on their turkey.
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8 Jul 2008, 04:54
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Join Date: Nov 2006
Location: Chapel Hill, NC
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Re: For nothing can seem foul to those that win
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Originally Posted by Veedeejem!
Right, good to see hypocrasy is still running deep within the pa-community.
When an alliance's members / hc are caught cheating we're judging with double standards...
1) Running for #1 and being unliked = bash bash bash
2) Not running for anything = oooh, look at the cute orbiters trying to cheat, lets give them some crayons to colour pretty pictures with...
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Here are some more equations for you:
1) Cheating while HC of alliance running for #1 = closed but not permanently deleted
2) Cheating while HC of alliance not running for #1 = closed and permanently deleted
In fact 2) could neglect the 'while HC of an alliance not running for #1' part and still be true, with the exception of 1). Your so called "double standards" are working in favor the alliances competing for #1, not against.
edit: I refer to "alliances competing for #1", but in fact that should always read "Denial" because no other alliance competing for #1 has had their HC's planets reset (or closed in the first place).
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8 Jul 2008, 07:39
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Join Date: May 2004
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Re: For nothing can seem foul to those that win
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Originally Posted by zebra
Here are some more equations for you:
1) Cheating while HC of alliance running for #1 = closed but not permanently deleted
2) Cheating while HC of alliance not running for #1 = closed and permanently deleted
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So you mean actually having multiple planets is considered a worse offense than exploiting a small bug to set your factories to 0?
OH THE HUMANITY!
SOMEONE PLEASE THINK OF THE CHILDREN!
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8 Jul 2008, 07:54
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Re: For nothing can seem foul to those that win
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So you mean actually having multiple planets is considered a worse offense than exploiting a small bug to set your factories to 0?
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It depends. Give a computer to monkeys and they will likely ignore it, or poo in it. Give a computer to a computer geek and his asthma suddenly disappears. Noone cares much if a retard throws a valuable china jar to his cat, but if president does it, then news of the event makes headlines around the world.
My point is that some players with multiple accounts may not disrupt the game as much as some abusing this serious bug, on a daily basis, to beneficially distort the outcome of how much score is gained per battle - and by doing so cheating the top competitors of the game.
Stop calling it small bug of little consequence. It was big & it was bad.
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8 Jul 2008, 09:01
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Re: For nothing can seem foul to those that win
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Originally Posted by Aedolaws
My point is that some players with multiple accounts may not disrupt the game as much as some abusing this serious bug, on a daily basis, to beneficially distort the outcome of how much score is gained per battle - and by doing so cheating the top competitors of the game.
Stop calling it small bug of little consequence. It was big & it was bad.
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Making your production last almost forever is something people have been doing since the new production system was created. Just try to scan one of the top planets or top cov-oppers and see how much resources they have hiding in production...
So, considering there is a perfectly legal tactic to achieve what they did using the "big bad bug/exploit" and compare this to somebody having multiple planets (something that is illegal in every single way).
Then I have to say that I consider people having multiple planets much worse than what reese, koks & eksero did.
(PS: if this would have happened in the old system where multiple factory's made no difference and they were just there for redundancy then I would have agreed with you that making your production last forever somehow was worse)
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8 Jul 2008, 09:18
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Join Date: Jan 2007
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Re: For nothing can seem foul to those that win
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Originally Posted by MAsta_MArk
I did no cheating apart from breaking the rules.
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I dont think something like that can be quoted one too many times.
Let it stand out as a warning - to the upcoming generations - what false nutrition can do to you.
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8 Jul 2008, 09:42
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Registered User
Join Date: Mar 2008
Location: In bed with your mum.
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Re: For nothing can seem foul to those that win
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Originally Posted by Riddim
Bullshit.
It can be expected that a cheating nr1 alliance will attract more attention and hostile feelings then the odd rank 11 alliance.
Also ... bashing Orbit with several top10 alliances would clearly be silly.
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This nr1 alliance would attract negative attention from an alliance like ND soley for the fact that they slapped them silly the previous round, destroying ND's aspirations of winning 3 in a row, while being well on their way to doing the exact same thing this round. Ahhhh the bitterness of a sore loser.....
As far as bashing Orbit like Denial being silly, i dare say it would prove quite the opposite, i doubt Orbit could cover half as many waves as Denial did that night. They may not have as many roids as denial did when they got bashed, but i believe that would be compensated for by the fact far more waves land.
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8 Jul 2008, 11:13
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Banned
Join Date: May 2001
Location: Further to the right
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Re: For nothing can seem foul to those that win
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Originally Posted by Mzyxptlk
The bashing of Denial had nothing to do with the cheating; it was just a good excuse for it.
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I was really looking forward to getting koks back over starting off the "bash ascendancy" thing last round. Never did I think it'd happen in such a delightfully ironic way.
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8 Jul 2008, 13:49
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Join Date: Aug 2007
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Re: For nothing can seem foul to those that win
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Originally Posted by Veedeejem!
Making your production last almost forever is something people have been doing since the new production system was created. Just try to scan one of the top planets or top cov-oppers and see how much resources they have hiding in production...
So, considering there is a perfectly legal tactic to achieve what they did using the "big bad bug/exploit" and compare this to somebody having multiple planets (something that is illegal in every single way).
Then I have to say that I consider people having multiple planets much worse than what reese, koks & eksero did.
(PS: if this would have happened in the old system where multiple factory's made no difference and they were just there for redundancy then I would have agreed with you that making your production last forever somehow was worse)
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Ok i know this actually getting off the original topic a little maybe, but I just had to respond to this.
Currently you can keep your production 'in production' if you keep pumping in resources to increase the production time, which is costly and effortiess but a valid way to play - NOT cheating. In doing this the attackers can see which ship classes are possibly going to come out of production though, as it says on the P scan how many of which factories are being used.
I encourage players to use the P scans to decide which ships are still safe to land based on the factory type being used as another thing to calc into landing so we have a higher skilled player base instead of just stupid mass teamups.
Setting your factories to zero whilst having resources in production - which IS cheating - would surely show up on a scan as having resources in production but wouldn't show accurately which classes of ships are being produced.This counteracts skilled play and kills off our players that are willing to show more tactics in their game than jus mass plundering.
Therefore not only is it cheating but also it is killing the memberbase instead of increasing it (as the multiple accounts does). Not that I condone any cheating watsoeva, but surely anything killing the game is worth the highest penalty?
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8 Jul 2008, 14:11
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mz.
Join Date: Aug 2005
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Re: For nothing can seem foul to those that win
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Originally Posted by puss
wouldn't show accurately which classes of ships are being produced
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It would.
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The outraged poets threw sticks and rocks over the side of the bridge. They were all missing Mary and he felt a contented smug feeling wash over him. He would have given them a coy little wave if the roof hadn't collapsed just then. Mary then found himself in the middle of an understandably shocked family's kitchen table. So he gave them the coy little wave and realized it probably would have been more effective if he hadn't been lying on their turkey.
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8 Jul 2008, 17:34
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Re: For nothing can seem foul to those that win
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Then I have to say that I consider people having multiple planets much worse than what reese, koks & eksero did.
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I hear you. But I meant 'some,' not all. Tell me, what do I care if a brand new player has 10 accounts that are never going to go above 300k in value and 300 roids? Really? For all practical purposes it won't affect the game of the top alliances or the top players.
Now, if a top 300 has one, yes this I will consider a higher crime than messing with the factories.
Yes, this is done legally by most players, bust as explained above, u gotta keep pumping in resources, and there is going to come a time when no matter how much you produce in 24 ticks, even if you pump them all into your factories, is not going to give you another 24 ticks to keep those ships hidden. Moreover, as it often happens, sometimes you don;t have enough resources to even keep the ships until after your attackers land... and if you dont' have fleets... there goes your savings... Setting your factories to 0 gave these players the ability to indiscriminately save, play for XP in the meantime, and then deploy their hidden ships whenever they want to (instead of whenever they are forced to).
Top players in top alliances messing with exploits to take advantage of every battle they fight versus other top players in top alliances. That is serious. That could affect me.
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8 Jul 2008, 21:41
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Join Date: Aug 2000
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Re: For nothing can seem foul to those that win
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Originally Posted by Aedolaws
Top players in top alliances messing with exploits to take advantage of every battle they fight versus other top players in top alliances. That is serious. That could affect me.
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Do you consider yourself to be a top player?
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8 Jul 2008, 22:41
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Insomniac
Join Date: May 2003
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Re: For nothing can seem foul to those that win
does he consider himself human, more to the point
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9 Jul 2008, 14:53
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LDK
Join Date: Feb 2002
Location: Norway
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Re: For nothing can seem foul to those that win
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Originally Posted by lokken
Do you consider yourself to be a top player?
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how many topplayers are left in pa though?
I mean..me and isil both have managed top3 spots
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9 Jul 2008, 16:52
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Re: For nothing can seem foul to those that win
No I am not a top 3 player. And I have never managed to end in the top 100. And I refuse to waste too much time playing this game ever again so I doubt I will ever make it to the top 100. The way PA works it simply truncates solo players chances of achieving this goal. It is doable. It has been done. I simply refuse to dedicate 60+ hours per round to a struggle puppeteered by a handful few. What for? Vanity? Bah, not good enough!
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9 Jul 2008, 16:55
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Banned
Join Date: May 2001
Location: Further to the right
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Re: For nothing can seem foul to those that win
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Originally Posted by Aedolaws
I simply refuse to dedicate 60+ hours per round to a struggle puppeteered by a handful few.
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9 Jul 2008, 17:06
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Re: For nothing can seem foul to those that win
Indeed, you are right again (and you being right so many times in a row is scaring the hell out of me). Is a game. But is a game whose outcome is indisputably dictated (or a product of) by a few HCs (1% of the community?). It is, in a nutshell, a game ideal for masochists.
That is precisely why I will not get seriously entangled in its mumbo jumbo again. PA is no chess. There is NOT A CHANCE of a new player coming in, learning the rules, and beating an old fart (and this is why I laugh when people try to keep PA simple, instead of making it way more complex, as if it were a chess like game with simplicity and math being the most important part of the game). NO, to win in PA you gotta put in AT LEAST 60+ hours investment per round (that is, about 1 or 2 per day), you gotta play several rounds, you gotta become a peon in a top alliance, you gotta do what you gotta do.
And don't tell me that playing more than 70 hours (i.e. 300) per round is playing hardcore because it is not, this is WASTING TIME... a chessmaster can play 20 times v. 20 players in 20 minutes... while it would take each of those 20, hours to counter move... time investment has little to do with ability. Of course I can score a lot of XP and maybe even decent amount of roids if I look and look and calc and calc until I find the right target out of the 30 or so of this evening attack. And, if I follow that with jgp at t1 (2am), and at t5 (6am) and at t-1(10am), then ofc chances of me blowing that fleet become almost none. And if I am DCing and I get incoming ofc chances are my planet will get covered. And if I am a BC of course I will always have a good target. And repeat this for 4 weeks. Day after day. And, you know, if you really have the time to waste, shit, play it like that. But most people don't. And even those who do, burnt out!
I guess, now that I think about it, this is why so many old players come back as scanners, or why so many rookies leave...They simply know whats going on, and they simply don't have the time or give a ****. Or for that matter, why so many n00bs don't survive their first 200 ticks, they simply don;t know whats going on, and they simply don;t have the time to find out or they simply don't give a ****.
Anyways, i think this is the wrong thread for this discussion.
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9 Jul 2008, 17:13
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mz.
Join Date: Aug 2005
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Re: For nothing can seem foul to those that win
60 hours per round?
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The outraged poets threw sticks and rocks over the side of the bridge. They were all missing Mary and he felt a contented smug feeling wash over him. He would have given them a coy little wave if the roof hadn't collapsed just then. Mary then found himself in the middle of an understandably shocked family's kitchen table. So he gave them the coy little wave and realized it probably would have been more effective if he hadn't been lying on their turkey.
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9 Jul 2008, 17:19
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Join Date: May 2004
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Re: For nothing can seem foul to those that win
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Originally Posted by Mzyxptlk
60 hours per round?
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I was thinking the same thing...
60 hours per week is more like it
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9 Jul 2008, 17:20
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Re: For nothing can seem foul to those that win
heh! touche!
60 hours per round (1 or 2 per day), for me, is a lot...
And although I agree most can be done with 5 min here 5 min there 5 times a day, this game eats its young!, the fact is most rookies blow night after night after night...round or two, or three until they leave PA for a couple of years!
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9 Jul 2008, 20:21
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Join Date: Oct 2003
Location: Ventnor, Isle Of Wight
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Re: For nothing can seem foul to those that win
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Originally Posted by Aedolaws
heh! touche!
60 hours per round (1 or 2 per day), for me, is a lot...
And although I agree most can be done with 5 min here 5 min there 5 times a day, this game eats its young!, the fact is most rookies blow night after night after night...round or two, or three until they leave PA for a couple of years!
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Amusingly you seem to spend more then that on these boards... think every thread ive saw so far has your name on it. But i know PA isnt as.. well interesting as it once was in the old days (plus it seems to be more new player friendly with queing of contrustions and pre-launch) but i think to establish an average rank you need to be more active then an hour per day.
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h3ll's angels
Join Date: Nov 2006
Location: Chapel Hill, NC
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Re: For nothing can seem foul to those that win
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Originally Posted by Aedolaws
That is precisely why I will not get seriously entangled in its mumbo jumbo again. PA is no chess. There is NOT A CHANCE of a new player coming in, learning the rules, and beating an old fart (and this is why I laugh when people try to keep PA simple, instead of making it way more complex, as if it were a chess like game with simplicity and math being the most important part of the game). NO, to win in PA you gotta put in AT LEAST 60+ hours investment per round (that is, about 1 or 2 per day), you gotta play several rounds, you gotta become a peon in a top alliance, you gotta do what you gotta do.
And don't tell me that playing more than 70 hours (i.e. 300) per round is playing hardcore because it is not, this is WASTING TIME... a chessmaster can play 20 times v. 20 players in 20 minutes... while it would take each of those 20, hours to counter move... time investment has little to do with ability. Of course I can score a lot of XP and maybe even decent amount of roids if I look and look and calc and calc until I find the right target out of the 30 or so of this evening attack. And, if I follow that with jgp at t1 (2am), and at t5 (6am) and at t-1(10am), then ofc chances of me blowing that fleet become almost none. And if I am DCing and I get incoming ofc chances are my planet will get covered. And if I am a BC of course I will always have a good target. And repeat this for 4 weeks. Day after day. And, you know, if you really have the time to waste, shit, play it like that. But most people don't. And even those who do, burnt out!
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LDK
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Re: For nothing can seem foul to those that win
the most important "skill" in pa used to be activity.
PA is not a game of skills, its a game with alot of retards who play it because they did so when it was fun, and they simply cant seem to quit. Also PA is a social game, just sending randomly without having someone to laugh at BReps / overdef / crashes / fakes / idiots /bad posts ( . ) while doing it cant be fun for anyone.
Your playing PA like it was a fun game on its own. It isnt.
What do u put into those 60hrs a round? Do you count being on irc talking with people, getting scans, finding a target, defending ingal - oogal or cover urself as things u do within that 1hour a day?
Your a pretty shit person to have around in both gal and alliance in this GAME if thats the case, but hey... go find a game which fits ur schedule, fits ur idea of how a game should be. Shine with ur brilliance in a game u need to only invest an hour daily to win. Let me know if u find it.
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Join Date: Apr 2000
Location: Crewe, England
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Re: For nothing can seem foul to those that win
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i have been in HA for 8 rounds now, 5 th round as a bc, and you accusing any of our hc's being involved in cheating pisses me off. i have always known our hc's as playing fair.[/QUOTE
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[insert uproar about false accusation of Hidden Agenda]
Know your facts
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I haven't and didn't accuse HA of cheating. I simply stated I hoped you weren't knowingly using Intel obtained through cheating. I also stated that you no doubt benefited from the cheating which if you were attacking us you would have. That doesn't mean you were cheating yourself but as I said on one of the denial threads, its like the British 4x100m men winning the gold with Dwain Chambers in their team, the other 3 benefited from cheating but didn't cheat themselves
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As far as HA's involvement. We simly were not involved. We were approached by HC's of both alliances to see if they wanted to team up against you and share intel. We saw no reason to get involved as you 3 would beat up on each other and we'd keep our roid lead on y'all, which we have done for 90% of the round. The only few nights we targetted F-Crew at all were in response to you targetting our planets with sk's. The cheating of Orbit HC's are both shocking and unpleasant. We hope that MH does all things necessary if they haven't done it fully yet. We wish the members of F-Crew and ASS a fun end and to those in Orbit who were not part of the cheating acts.
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It is weird how the 3 of you are all singing from a different song sheet.
ASS's official line is that they weren't allied with either alliance but did discuss and partake in co-op attacks on us
HA Line is it was discussed but that was it. Your attacks only started when ours did.
And Orbits is. We haven't entered discussion with any alliance about this. We only have one Nap and its neither Orbit or HA and this alliance is the only one they have worked with (The alliance they are talking about is Denial, cheaters have to stick together I guess).
Its not as if you aren't allowed to target us, so i'm really not sure why each party is spinning a different story of what is going on. Orbits cheating may have helped you without your direct knowledge but as long as you are being truthful you have done nothing wrong yourselves so why the cloak and daggers. We openly admit to targeting Orbit, HA and ASS as soon as the increased incoming became significant and when the Masta_Mark situation came to light and our investigation into all 3 alliances showed a real problem was arising this targeting was increased (including the use of SK's on priority targets) to ensure we werent just sitting back and taking it.
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Re: For nothing can seem foul to those that win
I held off posting both this post and the previous one as this post is pretty damning for Orbit and how Corrupt they are as an alliance but I had to wait for Fiery to take action first. As Fiery won't take any action I have decided there's no need to remain quite.
Now when HA made claims that didn't match ASS's I went to get the official line from Orbits HC. I spoke to cervantes and Sin. They denied every working with or speaking to ASS or HA, claiming they are napped and working with just one alliance (That being Denial)
The Convo ended up moving on from the discussion of co-oping back to their general cheating. Sin provided the gem of a line
[11:31] <Sin|Lappy> whether i knew what masta was doing or not, doesn't mean i agree/disagree or condone it
Now we all know that from the initial post that Sin was in on it and discussed with Masta_Mark what was going on. How he can think he isn't condoning cheating when he knew it was going on and Didn't report it. Infact none of Orbits HC reported it to either F-Crew or the MH's. The closest they came was discussing it with members who weren't in the HC channel who they felt they could trust not to report it to either the MH's or F-Crew. The HC's who are responsible for this coming to light know who they are and it probably explains the witch-hunt they apparently started in Orbit to put the blame on others.
Then the convo got onto F-Crew's heavy targeting of key Orbit planets where they asked me to stop them.
[11:48] <wakey> We will stop hitting your HC galaxies when we feel Orbit HC has taken steps to remove the elements of its rotton core from the alliance for good, rather than harbouring Cheats and those that let cheating knowingly pass
[11:48] <cervantes> name and shame them?
[11:49] <wakey> Sin
[11:49] <cervantes> wats sin done/
[11:49] <wakey> He knew masta was cheating
[11:49] <cervantes> he didnt
[11:49] <wakey> He did
[11:49] <cervantes> i know that for a fact
[11:49] <cervantes> hes not long been hc
[11:49] <cervantes> and hasnt had access to the rooms where mast said it
Now not only is cervantes clearly telling lies as we again know Sin knew as he discussed it in the HC channel but that last line is pretty damning for cervantes. He is admitting that Masta did discuss it so he knew it was going on. He is clearly trying to protect Sin but drops himself into trouble.
Realising that he may have dropped himself in on it he then tries to cover himself
11:50] <wakey> Sin did know about it, he openly discussed it with masta
[11:50] <wakey> And you have admitted there that you knew
[11:51] <cervantes> anyhow masta didnt multi it was his brothers acc which he was helping with
[11:51] <cervantes> just dumb enough to log in on same ip
[11:52] <cervantes> also if he was multi i would have reported him as im pa team
So he tries to claim Masta didn't multi, he was just using his brothers account and forgot to log via a different IP. He then tries playing the PAteam card, something I'm sure he hoped would see me drop it. However it just rose my suspicions further as I didn't think he was PATeam. Appoc confirmed he was just a support team monkey. So not content with knowing cheating was going on and ignoring it he was now passing himself off as PAteam.
Now its bad enough that HC of alliances are openly allowing cheating to go on BUT this round we have already seen members of the Support team thinking they are above the law with the Denial situation. Once again we have another member of support team thinking that he is above the law and can let his alliance cheat.
I reported it to Fiery (Plus others) as the support team should be a group that has integrity. Sadly like Masta_Mark cervantes told Fiery that he told Masta not to do it before it happened and when Masta did start cheating he didnt know about it. Something which the evidence proves wrong but its seen its my word against his and the benefit of the doubt has to be given to him.
To make things worse I'm told Masta_mark has a new planet, a planet which Orbit have accepted. I havent been able to fully confirm this, my sources have been warned off talking to me as they have been told they won't be protected if theres another witchhunt and that rather than innocent people they will be made the scapegoats. So for a HC who claim they dont condone cheating, they seem to be doing alot of condoning of cheating by letting the cheat back in and the way they hid the cheating in the first place
All the HC should be deleted for the cheating and cerv should be removed from support team but as thats not going to happen I just hope that everyone becomes aware of what Orbit are like and don't just let them get away from it as cheats are a cancer to this game
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13 Jul 2008, 20:46
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Re: For nothing can seem foul to those that win
You are talking like Denial didnt get punished Wakey.
we choose to think the closure of 3 HCs is not why our incoming-counter is frankly insane, and if we posted it we would be closed for lying :P
so if that is true, and we would have gotten those incs anyway i guess we didnt really get any punishment at all. EXCEPT getting 2 HCs reset and then deleted, and 1 directly deleted.
who cares if single players get closed when its a result of their own actions? whats sad Wakey is that you use this forum to flame and cry like a girl to get as many as possible to "punish" their friends. for what?
Masta_mark was obviously closed, so making a post on this forum about it is not just a waste of time, it is a MH issue so let them do their job.
They dont need CSI-Wakey around to whine their ears off, and neither do we in denial
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13 Jul 2008, 20:49
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mz.
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Re: For nothing can seem foul to those that win
He's not even talking about Denial you moron.
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13 Jul 2008, 20:53
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Re: For nothing can seem foul to those that win
And Orbits is. We haven't entered discussion with any alliance about this. We only have one Nap and its neither Orbit or HA and this alliance is the only one they have worked with (The alliance they are talking about is Denial, cheaters have to stick together I guess).
Wanna bet!! or cant u read?
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13 Jul 2008, 20:55
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Re: For nothing can seem foul to those that win
if i read the post Mz#¤%FWFVWG, and i managed to read the fact he stated Denial are cheaters and we should stick together with Orbit, what does NOT make you the moron here then? except the fact even morons can read these days.
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14 Jul 2008, 02:18
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Up The Hatters!
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Re: For nothing can seem foul to those that win
For Gods Sake Orbit And Ha, Cant You Just Say Your Plan Is To Demolish F-crew And Get Over It. Its Not Like Anyone Will Care Anyways!
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14 Jul 2008, 09:01
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Ent|lunch
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Re: For nothing can seem foul to those that win
What makes me sick to the stomach is that he was so blatantly caught..the old "my brother was playing" technique, while briefly touched upon, wasn't implemented enough to be effective. Fail.
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14 Jul 2008, 11:16
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Re: For nothing can seem foul to those that win
Kargol yes ur right no one will care when they get bashed, Entropy his brother did have an account and dont comment on something u have no idea about please.
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14 Jul 2008, 11:56
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Hamster
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Re: For nothing can seem foul to those that win
Did it start off as Masta's brothers account? who knows for sure. Did Masta take over and did the HC know about it? The poof is damning
Just look at the log in the first post
<@Sin> when are we getting more channels#
<@Sin> on F-Crew TV
<@Juice> lol
<@Masta_Mark> i need to become a proper member
<@Masta_Mark> and get a script
<@Masta_Mark> and also need a ****ing BC to listen to me so i can actually attack
<@Masta_Mark> LOL
Sin is Orbit HC, this discussion in Orbits HC channel and masta says
<@Masta_Mark> i need to become a proper member
Not "My Brother need to become a proper member" but "I"
Then theres
<@Masta_Mark> and also need a ****ing BC to listen to me so i can actually attack
This isnt him saying "so my brother can actually attack", its I
And this is after you lot supposedly told Masta not to do this. This is during the cheating going on and it was discussed in the HC channel with Sin and Juice typing and with you in the channel.
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14 Jul 2008, 11:58
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Re: For nothing can seem foul to those that win
Ur going around in circles wakey, wasting ur time because no one cares about u and ur life, no one likes u anyway. at the end of the day masta was closed get over it and get on with ur life (if u actually have 1)
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14 Jul 2008, 12:13
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Ent|lunch
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Re: For nothing can seem foul to those that win
Quote:
Originally Posted by Cervantes
and dont comment on something u have no idea about please.
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Cervantes
Ur going around in circles wakey, wasting ur time because no one cares about u and ur life, no one likes u anyway.
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pot..kettle..black
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14 Jul 2008, 13:08
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Hamster
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Re: For nothing can seem foul to those that win
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Originally Posted by Cervantes
Ur going around in circles wakey, wasting ur time because no one cares about u and ur life, no one likes u anyway. at the end of the day masta was closed get over it and get on with ur life (if u actually have 1)
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If I'm going around in circles its only because you are skating around the issue
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15 Jul 2008, 00:09
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Re: For nothing can seem foul to those that win
Quote:
Originally Posted by Kargool
For Gods Sake Orbit And Ha, Cant You Just Say Your Plan Is To Demolish F-crew And Get Over It. Its Not Like Anyone Will Care Anyways!
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but we thought that was always your mission so why would we wanna spoil your fun
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15 Jul 2008, 08:17
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Re: For nothing can seem foul to those that win
Quote:
Originally Posted by Cervantes
Ur going around in circles wakey, wasting ur time because no one cares about u and ur life, no one likes u anyway. at the end of the day masta was closed get over it and get on with ur life (if u actually have 1)
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Start posting sensibly or I'll start modding your ass.
(wakey is absolutely right on this)
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15 Jul 2008, 12:54
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Re: For nothing can seem foul to those that win
Are you guys seriously saying that rest of Orbit HC team can be blamed for knowing about it?
Hey, if you get intel you take it, and if you know someone who cheat you tell them to not get caught.
stop this shit now
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15 Jul 2008, 14:08
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Re: For nothing can seem foul to those that win
floggin horse dead , or something like that the guy cheated got caught and closed so its case closed
move on
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15 Jul 2008, 17:38
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Re: For nothing can seem foul to those that win
Quote:
Originally Posted by Wishmaster
Are you guys seriously saying that rest of Orbit HC team can be blamed for knowing about it?
Hey, if you get intel you take it, and if you know someone who cheat you tell them to not get caught.
stop this shit now
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Are you seriously saying they cant be blamed for knowing about it? Are you having a ****ing laugh, especially when one of the HC is a member of the support team.
You are actual the poster child for why this games failing. Your the kind of idiot who alienates the games owners by blaming everything on them, but who doesnt give a flying **** about the future of the game. All you care about is me me me and if you can have fun cheating while bashing and abusing others that's all that matters. And sadly theres too many people like yourself in this community who will just let it slide if they benefit
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floggin horse dead , or something like that the guy cheated got caught and closed so its case closed
move on
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How about you move on and get a clue and only come back when you actually understand the situation and thus have something useful to add. If you did have a clue you would realise this isnt about Masta's cheating, he has been dealt with. The situation is bigger than that one person, its a larger conspiracy to cheat and then to cover the scale up and sweep the situation under the carpet
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15 Jul 2008, 20:59
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mz.
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Re: For nothing can seem foul to those that win
A cover up and a conspiracy. I see.
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17 Jul 2008, 09:28
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LDK
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Re: For nothing can seem foul to those that win
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Originally Posted by wakey
Are you seriously saying they cant be blamed for knowing about it? Are you having a ****ing laugh, especially when one of the HC is a member of the support team.
You are actual the poster child for why this games failing. Your the kind of idiot who alienates the games owners by blaming everything on them, but who doesnt give a flying **** about the future of the game. All you care about is me me me and if you can have fun cheating while bashing and abusing others that's all that matters. And sadly theres too many people like yourself in this community who will just let it slide if they benefit
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They can be blamed, but then you could go on and blame everyone in PA cept yourself where you hide in your little bubble. The fact that one is part of support team makes it worse for him I have to agree, but then again his job is to support people gamewise and not to catch people cheating. Its possible to not report a m8 and still be a good supportmember and helping out with gamerelated questions. Thing is though wakey, people play planetarion because of their friends. Instead of reporting it, I would probably just laugh and then laugh even more when he got closed for his stupid cheating. I would also tell him that its a fking waste of time and effort to spy on F-Crew.
Planetarion isnt dying because of cheating, if you think thats the reason ur a bigger idiot than I thought. Blaming the community is just as stupid. PA is dying because of lack of devolpment, plans and marketing.
I ve played PA since r1 and I actually do care about PAs future, lets just say we have different ideas on what we should do to improve things. A fking vendetta against an alliance and group of people because one of them had a smal multi in a shit ally isnt helping. Take it with him in PM, go to war agaisnt them ingame, but stop this fking ramble about Orbit being utter shit ( which they are, but so are you )
About me being selfish, well yes I am. Now **** off.
oh, I was one of the few which whined about hidden prod being removed and sorted, even though I was one of the few which used it and benefitted on it.
I saw how it fked peoples rounds and made people quit though, so I wanted it gone. So maybe, deep down, I m a nice guy
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17 Jul 2008, 11:20
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mz.
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Re: For nothing can seem foul to those that win
Quote:
Originally Posted by Wishmaster
A fking vendetta against an alliance and group of people because one of them had a smal multi in a shit ally isnt helping. Take it with him in PM, go to war agaisnt them ingame, but stop this fking ramble about Orbit being utter shit
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The outraged poets threw sticks and rocks over the side of the bridge. They were all missing Mary and he felt a contented smug feeling wash over him. He would have given them a coy little wave if the roof hadn't collapsed just then. Mary then found himself in the middle of an understandably shocked family's kitchen table. So he gave them the coy little wave and realized it probably would have been more effective if he hadn't been lying on their turkey.
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19 Jul 2008, 10:56
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Re: For nothing can seem foul to those that win
puss cheats too... her husband with me!
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