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Unread 30 May 2007, 20:27   #51
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Re: OMG , im CHEATING

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This is probably the most stupid thing I've ever read on this forum.


Oh just wait untill he throws in the sarcasm card.
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Re: OMG , im CHEATING

I gotta love the tone and behaviour game officials too often inherit.
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Ace job by the multihunters.





(thats sarcasm by the way)
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bintara you seem like a massive dick whether you were cheating or not, i hope this helps
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Re: OMG , im CHEATING

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You are stupid for not being polite and sensible in first speaking to the MH's. For this you deserve closure.
For the multihunters have been nothing but polite and sensible this round.
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Unread 30 May 2007, 21:34   #56
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Re: OMG , im CHEATING

like it or not, you did break a rule.
I'd have probably warned you and recalled your fleet to make my point, and if you had done it again closed for good.

you were warned initially instead of being closed straight out so ace did the right thing there
bit strange though for the closure reason, i might have went with user agreement breach instead of abusive language but other then that theres no significant issue here.
( i would have thought that the warn command was issued from the reported messages screen, and thats why its listed as abusive language instead of his planet being loaded from the multi admin and a different reason selected )

stop crying over spilt milk bintara.
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MH at their best.

iv had 2 warnings like this so far this round. Im still open.

This is rubbish.
you'd be on your very last one then, tread carefully
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Unread 30 May 2007, 21:44   #58
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Re: OMG , im CHEATING

oh god Phil! Your right, he must be careful! Otherwise the MH's might close his "planet" in a boring textbased game!!! OMG OMG!!!
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Unread 30 May 2007, 21:45   #59
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Re: OMG , im CHEATING

Sarcasm is dead.
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Unread 30 May 2007, 21:46   #60
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and over-used
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Unread 30 May 2007, 21:53   #61
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Re: OMG , im CHEATING

So does this so-called rule actually accomplish anything, besides making the game look like a not-quite-sane environment?
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Unread 30 May 2007, 22:20   #62
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it makes cooperative farming of ships, roids or xp illegal.
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Unread 30 May 2007, 22:26   #63
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Re: OMG , im CHEATING

As a society, didn't we long ago esabilish that intent to do something is not enough? Last time I checked, I may feel like killing you, but there's nothing you can do about it until I've actually done (or tried) it. I fail to see how PA is any different. In short, the rule is shit. Get rid of it.



(On a related note, I'm in favour of removing all rules banning farming altogether, but then that's beyond the scope of this thread)
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Unread 30 May 2007, 22:29   #64
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Re: OMG , im CHEATING

... interesting thread :@~

Sorry to hear about your closure B|ntara.

Just to clarify a few things, B|ntaras incoming was something like the 10th wave or so on me yesterday. I had been dealing with incs all day/night and was really at the end of my tether. Usually id run a few ships here and there to stop them dying due to initiative advantage,and kill what I can, but as I was already looking at 3-4 hours sleep I really couldnt be bothered. I usually wouldnt have reported it, but thought it might be a bit of a laugh, and the MH team might give him a verbal warning for being such a smacktard.

Whether closure or not was appropriate is not for me to make a judgement on, as the MH team obviously have a set of guidelines to follow, and in this case felt it was neccessary.

My only regret is that you didnt get a chance to launch on Fenix, as he could do with losing a few roids
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Re: OMG , im CHEATING

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it makes cooperative farming of ships, roids or xp illegal.
This has nothing to do with either farming of ships, roids or xp. Related to this, I agree to mz's post above (the last line).

It has to do with one player sending the other a completely harmless inagme mail.

Can you seriously not see the sheer absurdity (if that's a word) of the situation? If you have a rule making closures like this possible, then it should be obvious from a mile away that rule is flawed beyond any reason.
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Unread 30 May 2007, 22:40   #66
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its not as harmless as he maintains imo, there is clear intent in his end.
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i know im alone attacking u , may i ask a favour from u ? could u please let me land ? please send away ur anti fr , with ur help , i can boost my score ALOT , thats all im asking from u cause i know deep inside ur heart , u r a kind man. i attack u because u can boost my score , atm im just top 700 , i really need this land , which can boost me to top 300 or less , please sir , help me
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u can take back ur roids , i just want the score and also the xp , thats all , thats why im asking ur help
thats not simply friendly banter imho, thats an attempt to form a mutually beneficial arrangement for roid and xp farming.
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he was below my bash so I guess he should have thought it through some more
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its not as harmless as he maintains imo, there is clear intent in his end.
thats not simply friendly banter imho, thats an attempt to form a mutually beneficial arrangement for roid and xp farming.
Wouldn't you expect that they would have made that "mutually beneficial arrangement" somewhere other than the ingame mail which the MH can and will read?

Either way, even if all that would make sense in some twisted perception of reality, we're still talking about the terms "intent" and "attempt" as basis for closure.
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he was below my bash so I guess he should have thought it through some more
But clearly you did, you filthy potential cheater!
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Smart people would, he clearly is not.
I have seen and closed others who arranged such things via ingame mail and even on gal forums before. Never underestimate stupidity
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Wouldn't you expect that they would have made that "mutually beneficial arrangement" somewhere other than the ingame mail which the MH can and will read?
You'd think so, but as their was no arrangement, and because he made an error of judgement and used this method of communication, he got closed.
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Come to think of it, I think I'll take this advice and leave it at that.
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... im pretty sure people have been closed for having othere peoples account/login details saved in their journal as well... hehe
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I did get people closed during havoc because i was exiling through the galaxies using my havoc resources, and chanced upon a galaxy whom was sharing all their logins.. :-s
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Just one question...

Why isnt arc closed?
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Re: OMG , im CHEATING

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it makes cooperative farming of ships, roids or xp illegal.
Kileman wasn't a part of the farming so its not a cooperative.

Bintara said run your fleet (serious or not) and Kileman didn't.

People like Assassin are just posting biased stuff here because they are friends with the administration.

Those with common sense can see this is a planetarion mail, and the guy should have been warned at worst.
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Re: OMG , im CHEATING

Why dont we close everybody?
You'd punish all those filthy cheaters then.
For justice!
There is no winnar here.
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Wouldn't you expect that they would have made that "mutually beneficial arrangement" somewhere other than the ingame mail which the MH can and will read?

Either way, even if all that would make sense in some twisted perception of reality, we're still talking about the terms "intent" and "attempt" as basis for closure.
Smart people would, he clearly is not.
I have seen and closed others who arranged such things via ingame mail and even on gal forums before. Never underestimate stupidity
Hahahahahahaha, seriously? Did you just claim somebody to be a stupid as that just to make people believe you are right? Hahahahaha.

The point is you can't play the cheating/farming card because farming in the true (and only) meaning of the word comes from both directions. So if you want to close him for being a moron, do so, if you want to close him cause you can't stand him, do so. But seriously, don't try to claim it's because he cheated/farmed. That's just rediculous.

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Hahahahahahaha, seriously? Did you just claim somebody to be a stupid as that just to make people believe you are right? Hahahahaha.

The point is you can't play the cheating/farming card because farming in the true (and only) meaning of the word comes from both directions. So if you want to close him for being a moron, do so, if you want to close him cause you can't stand him, do so. But seriously, don't try to claim it's because he cheated/farmed. That's just rediculous.



So true. It's the exact same reason why the support planet rule is(/was?) flawed.
You would have to be pretty stupid to propose farming over ingame mails, a subtle point thats clearly lost on you in your mini rant.
All ive said is that he broke the eula ( which he has ) , and is pretty stupid ( which he is ) for doing it over ingame mail.
Which part of that eludes you?
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lol. Reopen his account and tell him to stop being a dumbass. Really, such a fuss over worthless crap.
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That there is just sad.
"Asking people to send their ships away is cheating" must be the dumbest thing ever to be said in planetarion.
I will not comment on the actual reasonability or lack of thereof regarding the rules setup, but...

"Asking people to send their ships away is cheating" - presuming this is a plan to have one planet achieve a benefit of free roids through a treaty, it's called asteroid farming. According to the EULA, encouraging people to perform against the rule actions is against the rules. To extend the proportion a little bit, is "Asking people to send their ships at you" cheating? Irregardless, round 16, rain had a significant amount of fleet recalled off him because he had alledgeldy asked these people to attack him so he could proft (steal; before you go to the "that was the modern steal" -argument, notice that this is still possible through for example salvage, as mentioned in the Kileman case). This effectively won JBG the round, or so it's said. (bad wording: it pegged down the primary challenger).

I stumbled upon this myself, caring little about the outcome of the round following certain events, a Conspiracy player attacked me with a cathaar escort with the intention of stealing my fleet (he had far from enough pods to grind a full cap off my 400). He mailed me, after I retaliated him (with a fake attack option and a fleet consisting of pods alone), that if I'd recall my nightmares, he'd give me a full cap later because he had corvettes stuck at base. Obviously, the game mechanics recalled the fleet, hence I, afterwards, mailed him to enquire when I'd be able to get my full cap as he promised. He told me to attack him with a sufficient amount of fighter pods the given night. I went to the multihunters and asked whether I need to build these pods and actually attack him with them in order to get him closed for cheating (assuming he'd let me land, obviously this would get me closed too, and I acknowledged it). The answer was "no, you don't need to do anything else", given later the planet wasn't closed (under calls: "mail tactics". what baffles me with these mail tactics is, why he would, afterwards, ask me to send those fighters; if this was successive tactics, it'd go under the sheet of fleet farming rain was pre-emptively punished for at round 16).

So, in order to catch a cheater, you'll need to commit to cheating yourself. The irony runs deep. The what defines cheating and what doesn't consist of, is going on grand scale nowadays. There's been a lot of talk whether the rules are in a need of revamp or not, and as I refered to on the other thread on alliance discussions, I'm willing to bet on yet another revamp for next round. This is just another ridiculing point in the game: the chief multihunter (hereby I refer to Assassin's movements) keeps changing, and the rules experience ackward changes all the time. It's probably equally hard to keep up with them as a newbie as it is to keep up with the ship statistics.

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Why isnt arc closed?
If this Bintara person is closed and under deletion, arc should equally be on so. Yet another sign of lack of consistency and bias in the multihunting squad? (Que: Conspiracy doesn't get closed, some other bloke does - I here assume Bintara isn't Conspiracy).

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The true question is, why other people get closed for similar infridgements, and others don't. This truly became interesting now, I'm definately waiting for Fiery to comment on this case, regarding my case. If I could ask Fiery or Ace to comment on public, why arc is open, and Bintara isn't. I hope the reason isn't "because Bintara was impolite", or "because arc is conspiracy theory". There's a striking similarity to the two rules breaches.

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keizari's making a pretty fair point in my opinion which needs to be checked out considering the controversial natures of several decisions this round
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Re: OMG , im CHEATING

I'm here thinking Bintara got closed because he didn't possess or have access through a friend to sufficient verbal and EULA talent to defend himself with. What if, next round, I'd start a Planetarion Rules firm, like Keizari & Buddies, to defend people pro bono against being accused of cheating. I bet I could save people like Bintara from being closed, because I'm willing to bet this will all resolve in either a massive bias or Bintara being reopened. (Yeah, and the "I didn't know it's against the rules" argument is a vain one too, once arc comes up with it again, everyone who has agreed to the EULA has stated being in understanding of the rules).
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my post is still the most intelligent post in thread, learn from me
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Are WP and Penis-Allianz! actually cheating aswell?
I got thousands of free roids from them and they got thousands in return....
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Penis-Allianz HC sent me an ingame mail telling me to recall my 'drunken pilots' or he 'must call the might beer-good'. And he let someone land before me. I've reported my case to MH team -- expect closure soon.
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I thought of an interesting addendum to this whole "what makes farming" issue. Let's say I'm a big planet and I have loads of incs. Now, I need to prod to self-cover or get defence or something. But ideally I want to make a profit from this situation. Here xp comes into play. Say my attackers get 1.2 mil score in xp from roiding me. Now, if I can kill enough fleet to get 200k value in salvage let's say (this is very doable with etd plus feudalism, and that 200k value is more than I would earn from those roids for the rest of the round surely it's a better idea for me, presuming my attackers are vaguely intelligent, to only cover up to the point until it's a bad idea for them to land. If they can make a 200k score profit and I can make a 200k score profit we're both better off that if they don't attack me at all. Are my actions in this case, given that they're encouraging my attacker to land, farming? If I mail him and tell him what I've prodded is it farming? If I mail him a bcalc with his xp calced in it and LAND LAND LAND is it farming? if I mail him going "hi, i've done this please land, we both do well out of it" is it farming?
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A strict interpretation of the rules would certainly suggest so.
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Incidentally that's not just a hypothetical, if I had been at home instead of in work today I probably would have calced the xp for my various incs and seen if I could have wrangled that.
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and that 200k value is more than I would earn from those roids for the rest of the round surely it's a better idea for me, presuming my attackers are vaguely intelligent, to only cover up to the point until it's a bad idea for them to land.
I guess it comes down to the elasticity of the demand of asteroids to where that point where it's a bad idea for them to land comes upon!


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Are my actions in this case, given that they're encouraging my attacker to land, farming? If I mail him and tell him what I've prodded is it farming? If I mail him a bcalc with his xp calced in it and LAND LAND LAND is it farming?
I'm happily living in the never-never land where it takes a sort of suggestion or agreement for it to reach "farming".


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if I mail him going "hi, i've done this please land, we both do well out of it" is it farming?
So in my happy pink planetarion, this is where it hits the suspicious point. But then again, you never know about the MH today.
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I can make that line ridiculously fine. To the point of complete obscurity in fact.
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Yeah. It seems, that people who are better at making the rules lines completely obscure can get away with things of which dumber people are closed for.
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Looking back at what i said i phrased it wrong. What i meant was that if he had gone to the MH being polite instead of ranting he might not have ended up being closed.

Note: I bear in mind that you will all not believe this and think me panding to your comments. About this, i care not.
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Looking back at what i said i phrased it wrong. What i meant was that if he had gone to the MH being polite instead of ranting he might not have ended up being closed.

Note: I bear in mind that you will all not believe this and think me panding to your comments. About this, i care not.
So getting closed can be avoided by being nice and asslicking?

Rules are rules for everyone, regardless.
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So getting closed can be avoided by being nice and asslicking?

Rules are rules for everyone, regardless.
While it might not be right its kind of true. Politeness and cleverness i suppose.
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So getting closed can be avoided by being nice and asslicking?

Rules are rules for everyone, regardless.
It's like wearing smart clothes to an interview. Sure, they're supposed to be hiring on your skills, but impressions count for a hell of a lot. Turning up in shorts will be an almost instant rejection.
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It's like wearing smart clothes to an interview. Sure, they're supposed to be hiring on your skills, but impressions count for a hell of a lot. Turning up in shorts will be an almost instant rejection.
Wrong.

More like not talking to the police interrogators without your lawyer present, and more like hiring a better lawyer for the court.
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B|nTaRa is a loser for begging people to let them land.
Ace is a loser for wasting his time with stuff like that (if you close him you can close half the pathetic universe).
Kileman is a loser for reporting.
I'm a loser for posting here.

HaHaHa, funniest thing i read so far and i will stop there. This says it all!
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I assume bintara isnt English. How can his diction be used against him?
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I assume bintara isnt English. How can his diction be used against him?
I'm not english either, yet i've not had any problems.
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