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Unread 17 Jun 2013, 14:35   #51
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Re: Freeze income for planets in cluster 200

nightwolf it was not "banned in the past". previously, people were removed, but no rule was added and there was no official statement as to what is and isnt allowed.
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Re: Freeze income for planets in cluster 200

afaik the ONLY stipulation for c200 or vacmode is that if you wish to remain in either at the end of a round you must contact admin and if they feel you have a legitimate reason they may allow your planet to stay in c200/vacmode for the last week of the round
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nightwolf it was not "banned in the past". previously, people were removed, but no rule was added and there was no official statement as to what is and isnt allowed.
Read Kargool's post. It could easily be accounted for in those 'rules'.

Besides the arguments of updated rules and official statements are rather irrelevant in the current state of the game. We both know you are just arguing for the sake of argument. It's quite obvious how this case should have been solved (i.e. just like it was solved in the past). How the MH's/PA team managed to screw it up is beyond me though (there wouldn't even be an argument if Dav was placed back immediately, or atleast not one that somebody would give a shit about).
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Re: Freeze income for planets in cluster 200

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Read Kargool's post. It could easily be accounted for in those 'rules'.

Besides the arguments of updated rules and official statements are rather irrelevant in the current state of the game. We both know you are just arguing for the sake of argument. It's quite obvious how this case should have been solved (i.e. just like it was solved in the past). How the MH's/PA team managed to screw it up is beyond me though (there wouldn't even be an argument if Dav was placed back immediately, or atleast not one that somebody would give a shit about).
no, not at all. rules are added for a reason, look at the multi one for example. just because the pateam became shit at adding rules to the rulebook doesnt mean we should all just sit here whilst they do whateva the hell they want.
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Re: Freeze income for planets in cluster 200

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If this read "Deliberate attempts to use bugs/exploits through AND/OR other than through the standard pages to gain an advantage" would it change the way you view the case rein?
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If this read "Deliberate attempts to use bugs/exploits through AND/OR other than through the standard pages to gain an advantage" would it change the way you view the case rein?
only if they used this the first time and wrote an actual rule there on after. rather than, make decision, leave rules as they are, make slightly different decision, leave rules as they are, publish nothing.
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Re: Freeze income for planets in cluster 200

People that attempt abusing the features. of the game should be frozen out from the community by the rest of the players. Banning Dav from joining ur allie for all future would be the right stand to take against rule abusers.
I remember a certain Ultores member abused the MHs to get fleets recalled from him when he was FCed r49.
A TGV HC tried to steal the gal fund of gals before he exilef out.
The problem is not only the lamers being abusers, its the rest of the community accepting this kind of behaviour.
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People that attempt abusing the features. of the game should be frozen out from the community by the rest of the players. Banning Dav from joining ur allie for all future would be the right stand to take against rule abusers.
I remember a certain Ultores member abused the MHs to get fleets recalled from him when he was FCed r49.
A TGV HC tried to steal the gal fund of gals before he exilef out.
The problem is not only the lamers being abusers, its the rest of the community accepting this kind of behaviour.
please point out the rule that has been abused.

also, the opinion of someone that is disliked by the community as much as you are is less than worthless.
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please point out the rule that has been abused.

also, the opinion of someone that is disliked by the community as much as you are is less than worthless.
What ever kargool/blue_esper wrote.
And i shouldnt bother replying to your 2nd line, but im pretty sure my opinions and comments on those people abusing game features, or playing selfish/unetichal has colloured their view on me.
These people dont got any moral and ethics, and will do what ever to win.
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What ever kargool/blue_esper wrote.
And i shouldnt bother replying to your 2nd line, but im pretty sure my opinions and comments on those people abusing game features, or playing selfish/unetichal has colloured their view on me.
These people dont got any moral and ethics, and will do what ever to win.
if you had read what kargool/blue wrote you would see it's just a generic "we can make any decision we like at any time if we deem it to be cheating". since this has, apparently, happened before there should be a specific rule about it or something in the game code. so, try harder please.
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Re: Freeze income for planets in cluster 200

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I remember a certain Ultores member abused the MHs to get fleets recalled from him when he was FCed r49.
Who was this, i actually dont know
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if you had read what kargool/blue wrote you would see it's just a generic "we can make any decision we like at any time if we deem it to be cheating". since this has, apparently, happened before there should be a specific rule about it or something in the game code. so, try harder please.
Try harder?
I think every seasoned player should be able to know that its better to report an loophole in the game instead of abusing it.
And everyone that does should be punished, if not by the admins, then by the community.
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Who was this, i actually dont know
CroWke.
He did get himself closed though, but the fact that the MHs recalled all fleets and removed the roid cap from a top100 roid planet(?) is what was the big drama
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Umm wait. They just moved him back to universe, giving ppl mass xp/roids?
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Umm wait. They just moved him back to universe, giving ppl mass xp/roids?
Yeah. Of all possible options, the most absurd.
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Re: Freeze income for planets in cluster 200

Basically: He was forced back into the universe. A few people launched on him. Then he was forced back into c200, a few ticks later. And another few ticks later, he was forced back into the universe. Dav did not log in during any of this, and he was not informed of what was going on.

Now regardless of whether or not you believe Dav broke the rules and should've been punished, I think we should all be able to agree that this was a terrible way of handling it.
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Re: Freeze income for planets in cluster 200

Yeah.
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He should been closed
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basically: He was forced back into the universe. A few people launched on him. Then he was forced back into c200, a few ticks later. And another few ticks later, he was forced back into the universe. Dav did not log in during any of this, and he was not informed of what was going on.

Now regardless of whether or not you believe dav broke the rules and should've been punished, i think we should all be able to agree that this was a terrible way of handling it.
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Yeah.
PA crew did it again.
He should been closed
every time i think you reach the limits of stupidity.......

closing someone who hasnt broken any rules is utterly absurd.
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People that attempt abusing the features. of the game should be frozen out from the community by the rest of the players. Banning Dav from joining ur allie for all future would be the right stand to take against rule abusers.
I know I will regret this but , what rule did dav break ?
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I know I will regret this but , what rule did dav break ?
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Due to the abiguity of these rules they can be interpreted by MH any way they see fit. If they believe Dav is exploiting c200 to gain an advantage then he is breaking that rule. If he really wanted to go on vacation, there is a function ingame that allows your planet to go into vacation.

I think what needs to change is the way vacation operates, so that people can use it at the start of the round and not be significantly behind if they choose to come out at the end.
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I think what needs to change is the way vacation operates, so that people can use it at the start of the round and not be significantly behind if they choose to come out at the end.

Who creates a planet, then goes on vacation for 10-11 weeks?
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Who creates a planet, then goes on vacation for 10-11 weeks?
a round is only 7 weeks long.
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Re: Freeze income for planets in cluster 200

any rule that covers if the idiots cry then pa team/mh can call it cheating etc is pretty frickin stupid , according to some previous posts this has happened before and yet never added to things you cannot do .
why was the planet returned to the active universe without contacting dav 1st ?

couple of things that could be done
remove c200 any planet exiled goes straight into which ever galaxy is inside the exile bracket but don't lower exile cost for galaxys to encourage them to interact with all members
allow 7/ 14 day vac mode once every round , if you chose 7 days you don't come out earlier same with 14 day
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any rule that covers if the idiots cry then pa team/mh can call it cheating etc is pretty frickin stupid , according to some previous posts this has happened before and yet never added to things you cannot do .
why was the planet returned to the active universe without contacting dav 1st ?

couple of things that could be done
remove c200 any planet exiled goes straight into which ever galaxy is inside the exile bracket but don't lower exile cost for galaxys to encourage them to interact with all members
allow 7/ 14 day vac mode once every round , if you chose 7 days you don't come out earlier same with 14 day
20/25% income for planets in vac mode
pl ships are not recalled on planets that go vac mode to avoid incomings
Dav abused the game features, he should be closed, and frozen out of the community, cus there is no doubt in my mind, and it shouldnt be questioned if this was InFact what he tried to do.
Looking at the planet name its pretty clear it was a troll attempt all along.
The PA crew is indeed moronic, and the MH team is as stupid, if not worse.
If Dav comes back, saying he is sorry for being an jackass, then id forgive him, untill then he should be hunted Down and being shut out of all decent alliances/Groups.
If you keep backing up the abusers, and attacking the ones that can(or atleast should be able to) change this game, you will a part of this community wich is slowly killing the game.
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Looking at the planet name its pretty clear it was a troll attempt all along.
You got something right there. Trolling PA and pointing out something should be done about C200 is pretty much what Dav intended, as far as I know.

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Not that I disagree, but what is your reason for this statement?
I personally think something should have been done about C200 back when omb used this trick the first time. That was like what, 20+ rounds ago? It is kinda sad the issue hasn't been adressed in any way, be it a change of game mechanics or rules. That's pretty stupid, and let's not even speak of how they "managed" the situation at hand.

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Here I disagree. Thanks to Davs trolling this issue is finally back up on the agenda, let's see if PA officials actually do change something this time. Suggestions like freeze/reduce resource gain in c200 have been around for years.
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Here I disagree. Thanks to Davs trolling this issue is finally back up on the agenda, let's see if PA officials actually do change something this time. Suggestions like freeze/reduce resource gain in c200 have been around for years.
He has ruined a perfect round of PA imho, not alone, but alongside the MHs.
Moving him back into the univers so people could get XP/roids?
He should be perfectly aware of that abusing the loopholes, exploiting game features, is not something a seasoned player should do. Accepting, and worse, praising this behavior makes you as bad as Dav tbh.
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Using capital letters in the AND/OR doesn't make an ambiguous sentence any clearer either, it's just a poorly written rule that clearly needs updating.
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he is deliberatly exploiting c200
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The rule is there to protech us from clear exploits of the game features, it clearly is badly written and it opens up for a lot of diffrent threatment of people, but in this case clearly the abuser shouldve been closed
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How exactly? Does it say anywhere that you cannot get yourself exiled to c200?
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This thread is going around in circles. I think all the participants should be put in vacation mode, closed, moved out of c200 and have their fleet names locked.
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As long as they have to report to the multihunter channel to hear this in person, I'm all in favour.
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It's funny that people are calling for Dav to be closed or shunned when the simple fact is you cannot exile yourself to c200 so he is not even the one at fault regardless of the r/p name, since that proves absolutely nothing at all.

Even if it may be that its true it doesn't mean the admins should have treated it as such, I'll be damned if interpreting the meaning of people's r/p names when making decisions regarding rules is common of PA team/MH but then I wouldn't be at all surprised. They are utterly useless and completely incompetent.

And since he was on holiday there is nothing he could do about it. The actions taken here are shameful but frankly not surprising.
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It's funny that people are calling for Dav to be closed or shunned when the simple fact is you cannot exile yourself to c200 so he is not even the one at fault regardless of the r/p name, since that proves absolutely nothing at all.

Even if it may be that its true it doesn't mean the admins should have treated it as such, I'll be damned if interpreting the meaning of people's r/p names when making decisions regarding rules is common of PA team/MH but then I wouldn't be at all surprised. They are utterly useless and completely incompetent.

And since he was on holiday there is nothing he could do about it. The actions taken here are shameful but frankly not surprising.
Its obvious that there was someone else in on this scam, as i dont know who it was, ive not mentioned them, but ofc, they should be hanged out as scape goats as much as Dav, ur pretty correct.
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He has ruined a perfect round of PA imho, not alone, but alongside the MHs.
Moving him back into the univers so people could get XP/roids?
I think the MHs did way more damage than Dav alone could have done. They didn't even tell him. He did not know he was moved out of C200, thus had no chance to maybe join an alliance, produce ships and defend those roids. At this point it is purely the MHs fault this turned into an XP fest.

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I'm neither accepting nor praising what Dav has done. I still think the issue of C200-Camping should have been solved ages ago, and in this particular case the MHs should have reacted immediately.
I merely think it is good someone reminded PA Team of the fact there's something to be changed here - usually they're rather quick when it comes to restricting ways of playing the game.
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Dav abused the game features, he should be closed, and frozen out of the community, cus there is no doubt in my mind, and it shouldnt be questioned if this was InFact what he tried to do.
Looking at the planet name its pretty clear it was a troll attempt all along.
The PA crew is indeed moronic, and the MH team is as stupid, if not worse.
If Dav comes back, saying he is sorry for being an jackass, then id forgive him, untill then he should be hunted Down and being shut out of all decent alliances/Groups.
If you keep backing up the abusers, and attacking the ones that can(or atleast should be able to) change this game, you will a part of this community wich is slowly killing the game.
Seems a little dramatic no ? :P The fact that this happened this early in the rnd kind of makes it silly to even be arguing b/c there was no chance for Dav to be going for tops. That does leave open the door for it being abused later in rnd however. When fin centers are maxed, ur planet is fat with roids and u just get ur gal to exile you into c200 to sit pretty...yeah that should be controlled for.
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Seems a little dramatic no ? :P The fact that this happened this early in the rnd kind of makes it silly to even be arguing b/c there was no chance for Dav to be going for tops. That does leave open the door for it being abused later in rnd however. When fin centers are maxed, ur planet is fat with roids and u just get ur gal to exile you into c200 to sit pretty...yeah that should be controlled for.
He should be delete, and frozen out of the community for this no matter how far he couldve gotten with this. C200 is a feature wich is there for a reason, and not to be abused for personal gain. If your with the cheater, then in fact your as bad as the cheater.
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He should be delete, and frozen out of the community for this no matter how far he couldve gotten with this. C200 is a feature wich is there for a reason, and not to be abused for personal gain. If your with the cheater, then in fact your as bad as the cheater.
Again why is it cheating???

Please explain where in the rules it says being exiled into c200 is cheating

It genuinely doesnt matter what you think happened and what you dont think happened as far as the MH team can see and have the tools to check Dav was exiled by his galaxy into c200 and after that didnt log in.

Now this has happened before and nothing has been implemented by the PA team to stop this. So its not wrong is it. There is nowhere that specifically says you cannot do it and has not been hardcoded into the game to stop you.

Until that changes its a legal and valid tactic.

I for one like Dav. He is a nice guy and im glad i have him as a fellow alliance member. Infact i would go as far as saying its people like Dav this round, who show these loopholes in such a blatant way that makes them flash up and everyone take notice. Dav was never doing it to win PA. I do wonder now how many people have done it less blatantly, sitting in there on 1k roids towards round end gathering a nice boost whilst wars are going on.

Now what the multihunters did taking him out of c200 and allowing people to attack him with no warning and then stick him back into c200 is wrong. It allowed a few people an unfair land which gave them a massive XP boost... bread....
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Ive allready said if he was willing to come out and openly give an excuse for acting like a fool abusing this loophole/bug/cheat or whatever you would call it, the PA community should be abel to forgive him for his childish actions. Thats not dealing in absolutes.
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Again why is it cheating???

Please explain where in the rules it says being exiled into c200 is cheating

It genuinely doesnt matter what you think happened and what you dont think happened as far as the MH team can see and have the tools to check Dav was exiled by his galaxy into c200 and after that didnt log in.

Now this has happened before and nothing has been implemented by the PA team to stop this. So its not wrong is it. There is nowhere that specifically says you cannot do it and has not been hardcoded into the game to stop you.

Until that changes its a legal and valid tactic.

I for one like Dav. He is a nice guy and im glad i have him as a fellow alliance member. Infact i would go as far as saying its people like Dav this round, who show these loopholes in such a blatant way that makes them flash up and everyone take notice. Dav was never doing it to win PA. I do wonder now how many people have done it less blatantly, sitting in there on 1k roids towards round end gathering a nice boost whilst wars are going on.

Now what the multihunters did taking him out of c200 and allowing people to attack him with no warning and then stick him back into c200 is wrong. It allowed a few people an unfair land which gave them a massive XP boost... bread....
If u cant see what he did wrong, its no point in me trying to explain this to you.
The MHs ofc did something as stupid, after they yet again was put in a position where they had to make a decision, and its been obvious of later rounds they are inable to do this, but its all a result of what dav and his friends did.
Now there has been given a lot of new ideas how to change the c200 feature, all wich afaik atm will punish the ones wich unwillingliis exiled.
Thank you dav.
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Thank you dav.
If you are exiled by your galaxy and are in c200 for over 24hrs then tbh you are not playing the game actively enough to notice or care about a drop in resources. No so it doesnt punish people who are unwillinging exiled. What it does is stop people using c200 as a place to hide.

Dav started building his 75k CR fleet today, he might still win if he lands it enough :P
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If you are exiled by your galaxy and are in c200 for over 24hrs then tbh you are not playing the game actively enough to notice or care about a drop in resources. No so it doesnt punish people who are unwillinging exiled. What it does is stop people using c200 as a place to hide.

Dav started building his 75k CR fleet today, he might still win if he lands it enough :P
If you go away for a weekend it could be diffrent?
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then you can use vacation mode, or be greatful that you can earn anything at all while being protected from attacks.
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then you can use vacation mode, or be greatful that you can earn anything at all while being protected from attacks.
Thats an option you got, but what i was saying that you can be away for more than 24 hours, not on vacation, and still be active.
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Thats an option you got, but what i was saying that you can be away for more than 24 hours, not on vacation, and still be active.
The chances are if your an active player that you wont be exiled to c200. Tbh in 99% of galaxies if you show a willingness to play for the galaxy then they will keep you, even if you are only contactable by ingame message. They want people that send defence, they dont care how they get it.

So the scenerio you are talking about is in reality such a rarity that its an acceptable one if the rules are changed to kill the income rate in c200.

Also in a time of smart phones i think even players who are considered 'active' will check in atleast once in 24 hrs.
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Re: Freeze income for planets in cluster 200

Yeah this whole thing sounds very melodramatic. Moral of the story is there should be something done reducing income while in c200 or a cap on max income whilst there. Should Dav be trashed and "exiled" from the PA community for going on vacation and playing within the current PA rules? No...relax
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