Planetarion Forums - Why do people care about special effects in films so much

Nodrog · 6 Nov 2003, 12:52

THAT FILM IS GREAT IT HAS AMAZING CGI DID YOU SEE THAT RENDERED BATTLESCENE WHERE THE HOVERBOARD DROVE UP THE WALL AND HE FOUGHT 50 ANIMATED CLONES OF HIMSELF AT ONCE IN A LIGHTSABRE DUEL WHILE THE BUILDINGS EXPLODED IN THE BACKGROUND AND THERE WERE GUNS, BEST FILM EVER!

what

MrL_JaKiri · 6 Nov 2003, 12:54

Because it looks nice.

Nodrog · 6 Nov 2003, 12:56

lowest common denominator

Deepflow · 6 Nov 2003, 12:56

it releases seratomin (sp?) into the brain

Nodrog · 6 Nov 2003, 12:57

Actually I think its the same reason that faggots play computer games released in the last year because they have 3.4 textured bitmapped polygons with z-buffering, despite the fact that they are all mediocre.

SilverSmoke · 6 Nov 2003, 12:57

i don't, actually it annoys the shit out of me when a building explodes every ten minutes, 12 car chasing scenes and all that.

The way they film an explosion oftenly, they put it like if it was a marvelous goal on a world cup, I bet some people use the slow motion option to review said explosion.

Nodrog · 6 Nov 2003, 12:57

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Originally Posted by Deepflow

it releases seratomin (sp?) into the brain

youre thinking of ecstacy mang

Deepflow · 6 Nov 2003, 12:58

ecstasy is just pleasure overload... normal things do it too... thats why you are depressed afterwards. Theres none left to use.

SilverSmoke · 6 Nov 2003, 12:58

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Originally Posted by Nodrog

Actually I think its the same reason that faggots play computer games released in the last year because they have 3.4 textured bitmapped polygons with z-buffering, despite the fact that they are all mediocre.

hey I play civ2 and 3, cm 01-02 and Baldur's gate 2!

Nodrog · 6 Nov 2003, 12:58

o rly

SilverSmoke · 6 Nov 2003, 13:00

really and and and and

I've got a gameboy just to play Streetfighter 2 turbo on

I am sooo retro dude

Nodrog · 6 Nov 2003, 13:00

its probably the same reason people like expensive cars that look stupid, maybe someone should do a study that shows how shallow faux-aestheticism has replaced true beauty in almost all popular areas of society.

MrL_JaKiri · 6 Nov 2003, 13:02

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Originally Posted by Nodrog

Actually I think its the same reason that faggots play computer games released in the last year because they have 3.4 textured bitmapped polygons with z-buffering, despite the fact that they are all mediocre.

Warcraft 3 and Rise of Nations definitely don't suck.

Nodrog · 6 Nov 2003, 13:03

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Originally Posted by MrL_JaKiri

Warcraft 3 and Rise of Nations definitely don't suck.

thats just your opinion man

MrL_JaKiri · 6 Nov 2003, 13:04

No it isn't, it's shared by many people.

Nodrog · 6 Nov 2003, 13:05

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Originally Posted by MrL_JaKiri

No it isn't, it's shared by many people.

Argument ad populum

MrL_JaKiri · 6 Nov 2003, 13:06

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Originally Posted by Nodrog

Argument ad populum

Doesn't apply.

ChubbyChecker · 6 Nov 2003, 13:06

I've noticed that certain film makers seem too wrapped up in special effects. The Matrix sequels (not the original) and the Star Wars prequels are obvious examples that spring to mind.
I don't know anybody who actually likes films because of their "impressive" special effects.

Nodrog · 6 Nov 2003, 13:07

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Originally Posted by ChubbyChecker

I don't know anybody who actually likes films because of their "impressive" special effects.

terminator 2, gg

MrL_JaKiri · 6 Nov 2003, 13:08

NOT the original?

Most of its success was from the gimmickery of bullet time.

SilverSmoke · 6 Nov 2003, 13:09

warcraft 3 is a nice game, but tell me except for the grafx and the roleplaying elements, in what way is it better then for example warcraft 2 or any other rts from that period. I mean, ofcourse it has been tweaked a bit so it plays a bit more comfortably but it's not really revolutionary is it?

I am with Nodrog on this, games nowadays suck, and you know why? Because you, the consument, in general give priority to grafx and effects.

Nodrog · 6 Nov 2003, 13:10

Noone would play warcraft 3 over populous 2 if it wasnt for the graphics.

Noone would play any FPS other than quakeworld if it wasnt for the graphics.

MrL_JaKiri · 6 Nov 2003, 13:11

4 races rather than 2, more playable due to greater levels of automation and the like (idle peon button, autocasting spells), more varied gameplay.

And you dismiss the roleplaying elements as equal to the graphics (which aren't all that pretty). Why is this?

Super · 6 Nov 2003, 13:13

I'm getting GTA (the original) right now. It's free!

MrL_JaKiri · 6 Nov 2003, 13:13

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Originally Posted by Nodrog

Noone would play warcraft 3 over populous 2 if it wasnt for the graphics.

Noone would play any FPS other than quakeworld if it wasnt for the graphics.

In what way is populous 2 a good multiplayer real time strategy game?

If you had said Starcraft or TA, you may have had a point, but there are still improvements over Starcraft in WC3, and we play Starcraft and TA as well anyway.

As for the FPSs... Quakeworld is good but there are better things.

SilverSmoke · 6 Nov 2003, 13:13

a bit of a weird comparison in my opinion

MrL_JaKiri · 6 Nov 2003, 13:14

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Originally Posted by Super

I'm getting GTA (the original) right now. It's free!

GTA's good, I prefer GTA2 mp though.

Nodrog · 6 Nov 2003, 13:14

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Originally Posted by Super

I'm getting GTA (the original) right now. It's free!

GTA is a perfect example of this phenomenon actually, since both GTA 3 and Vice City were terrible terrible games.

MrL_JaKiri · 6 Nov 2003, 13:15

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Originally Posted by Nodrog

GTA is a perfect example of this phenomenon actually, since both GTA 3 and Vice City were terrible terrible games.

No they weren't. They were ok, and they're not comparable as they're a different style of game.

Nodrog · 6 Nov 2003, 13:15

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Originally Posted by MrL_JaKiri

In what way is populous 2 a good multiplayer real time strategy game?

The way in which its good, its multiplayer, its in real time and it involves strategy.

SilverSmoke · 6 Nov 2003, 13:16

the point is there is no inovation, people follow existing concepts and try to improve it, mainly on the grafx/sound department, just to ensure bucks coming in. It sucks.

Nodrog · 6 Nov 2003, 13:16

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Originally Posted by MrL_JaKiri

No they weren't. They were ok, and they're not comparable as they're a different style of game.

If by 'different game' you mean 'the exact same game but in 3d' then u r rite

Nodrog · 6 Nov 2003, 13:17

lol Lemmings 3D lol

MrL_JaKiri · 6 Nov 2003, 13:17

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Originally Posted by Nodrog

The way in which its good, its multiplayer, its in real time and it involves strategy.

I see you're putting a lot of thought into your arguments.

(Lets see how many of the Dilbert 'You are wrong because...' nod falls foul of)

Nodrog · 6 Nov 2003, 13:18

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Originally Posted by MrL_JaKiri

I see you're putting a lot of thought into your arguments.

(Lets see how many of the Dilbert 'You are wrong because...' nod falls foul of)

Being good, multiplayer, real-time and involving strategy are all fairly atomic concepts; I'm not sure how I could break them down and argue that populous 2 has them, other than asking you to play it.

SilverSmoke · 6 Nov 2003, 13:19

platform games in 3D should all get banned for ****s sake

MrL_JaKiri · 6 Nov 2003, 13:19

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Originally Posted by Nodrog

If by 'different game' you mean 'the exact same game but in 3d' then u r rite

That's like comparing chess to go because they're both played on a board with pieces.

(Well, actually it's the opposite comparison to that, same form different medium, but the point remains)

MrL_JaKiri · 6 Nov 2003, 13:20

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Originally Posted by Nodrog

Being good, multiplayer, real-time and involving strategy are all fairly atomic concepts; I'm not sure how I could break them down and argue that populous 2 has them, other than asking you to play it.

I'm referring to the common useage of Real Time Strategy, which is a game in the style of Dune 2.

MrL_JaKiri · 6 Nov 2003, 13:20

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Originally Posted by SilverSmoke

platform games in 3D should all get banned for ****s sake

Mario 64 works, but Mario 3 is still the best.

Nodrog · 6 Nov 2003, 13:21

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Originally Posted by MrL_JaKiri

I'm referring to the common useage of Real Time Strategy, which is a game in the style of Dune 2.

oh I thought you were talking about games that were played in real time and involved strategy.

The whole dune 2/command and conquer genre is terrible, and people should just admit it was a horrible mistake and move on.

G_frog · 6 Nov 2003, 13:22

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Originally Posted by SilverSmoke

the point is there is no inovation, people follow existing concepts and try to improve it, mainly on the grafx/sound department, just to ensure bucks coming in. It sucks.

WC3 does innovate
- RPG elements
- the upkeep component of the economic structure
- shops/merc camps etc
- very creative unit design. properly differentiated races are unusual to start with, but contrast the unit design with, say, generals or rise of nations.

SilverSmoke · 6 Nov 2003, 13:24

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Originally Posted by MrL_JaKiri

Mario 64 works, but Mario 3 is still the best.

I don't enjoy trying to jump on several moving platforms while crap monsters spawn in between while the retarded 3D view randomly reacts on every touch of the joypad which makes you fall down 12 stories high to start that shit all over again. It wasn't that bad in m64 but it is in most 3D platformers.

MrL_JaKiri · 6 Nov 2003, 13:25

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Originally Posted by Nodrog

The whole dune 2/command and conquer genre is terrible, and people should just admit it was a horrible mistake and move on.

The C&C's may be terrible (in fact, I'm pretty sure they are [except red alert 1*, which is 'ok']), but I'm not actually going to put an argument here because this is another one of your random dislikes.

*Generals not included because it's more like a mix between starcraft and TA than any C&C game.

G_frog · 6 Nov 2003, 13:25

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Originally Posted by Nodrog

GTA is a perfect example of this phenomenon actually, since both GTA 3 and Vice City were terrible terrible games.

this is true.

MrL_JaKiri · 6 Nov 2003, 13:26

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Originally Posted by SilverSmoke

I don't enjoy trying to jump on several moving platforms while crap monsters spawn in between while the retarded 3D view randomly reacts on every touch of the joypad which makes you fall down 12 stories high to start that shit all over again. It wasn't that bad in m64 but it is in most 3D platformers.

I think you're forgetting that most platformers have always been terrible. It's not a flaw in the 3D medium.

Nodrog · 6 Nov 2003, 13:26

The crash bandicoot series could have produced some of the best platform games ever made if they hadnt kept randomly adding 3D levels to cater to the "graphiks r good geforce geforce lol" denominator that probably all like the matrix too.

MrL_JaKiri · 6 Nov 2003, 13:27

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Originally Posted by G_frog

this is true.

I think you're being harsh. Dull and repetitive yes, but not exactly Myst style abominations unto the lord.

Nodrog · 6 Nov 2003, 13:27

lets not discuss monkey island 4

MrL_JaKiri · 6 Nov 2003, 13:28

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Originally Posted by Nodrog

The crash bandicoot series could have produced some of the best platform games ever made if they hadnt kept randomly adding 3D levels to cater to the "graphiks r good geforce geforce lol" denominator that probably all like the matrix too.

Stop making random statements that aren't connected to the argument.

SilverSmoke · 6 Nov 2003, 13:28

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Originally Posted by G_frog

WC3 does innovate
- RPG elements
- the upkeep component of the economic structure
- shops/merc camps etc
- very creative unit design. properly differentiated races are unusual to start with, but contrast the unit design with, say, generals or rise of nations.

It's not like RPG elements in strategy games where never brought in before.
Upkeep components? explaination please.
Shops, pffffft so what.
Unit design etc etc

These are not really inovative are they? They are just improvements or already existing elements put in to make the game a bit more different then others.