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Mit · 18 Nov 2003, 19:17

A few little questions regarding the future of PA.

Please add comments here if you wish.

mist · 18 Nov 2003, 19:21

i'd have voted for 1 tick attack, 2 or 3 defence, but it's not there :/

-mist

Killerbij · 18 Nov 2003, 20:25

1 tick/1tick all the way. Finally tactics like waving make sense and are usefull and rewarding again. No need for tactics like overkill. It IS possible for the enemy to run out of defensive fleets. Maybe the roidcap should be increased a bit though (you used to be able to get 3*15% on 1 attack and now you only get 20% cap max) Maybe this should be raised to 30% so a 1 tick attack pays of more.

Definately NO against defense times that are longer than attack times. And PLEASE keep the attacking time to 1 tick. With a cap increase it leads to much more dynamic roid flows across the universe.

Psi_K · 18 Nov 2003, 22:54

Why no 2 tick attack, 3/4 tick defense?

Mit · 19 Nov 2003, 00:09

they were the first that came to mind, i've added an 'another' which u can write down here

furball · 19 Nov 2003, 00:09

old style all the way - alliances are too powerful with 1 tick attacks since everyone gets a look in. In contrast, in old PA, you couldn't have too many people attacking in the early hours without bringing down the roid cap.

Likewise, you need to be able to defend for a while - it makes sense logically - ships can hang around in a sector for a certain amount of time. You could even research how long you can attack/defend for!

Scoot951 · 19 Nov 2003, 02:50

I like 1/1, but with the current eta system I'd perfer 2/2. That way you can send defense for the 2nd tick, which may force the attacker to run entirely.

Or, you could just do away with this business of only giving people 1 tick to find defense.

gzambo · 19 Nov 2003, 13:16

i like the idea of 1 tick attacks it makes the roids go further :P but would like to see an additional tick for defence however these would only work if the travel times were linked to ship class and not universal for all classes ,
you could offset this by haveing 2 types of each class ship were each class targets itself and the next class up

eg
fighter 1 - targets fighters
fighter 2 - targets frigates
frigate 1 - targets frigates
frigate 2 - targets cruiser
cruiser 1 - targets cruiser
cruiser 2 - targets battleship
and then with battle ships it gets a bit differant depending on race
terran bs1 - targets bs
terran bs 2 - targets fi
cath bs 1 - targets bs
cath bs 2 - targets frigates

etc etc

furball · 19 Nov 2003, 23:03

Quote:

Originally Posted by gzambo

i like the idea of 1 tick attacks it makes the roids go further :P but would like to see an additional tick for defence however these would only work if the travel times were linked to ship class and not universal for all classes ,
you could offset this by haveing 2 types of each class ship were each class targets itself and the next class up

eg
fighter 1 - targets fighters
fighter 2 - targets frigates
frigate 1 - targets frigates
frigate 2 - targets cruiser
cruiser 1 - targets cruiser
cruiser 2 - targets battleship
and then with battle ships it gets a bit differant depending on race
terran bs1 - targets bs
terran bs 2 - targets fi
cath bs 1 - targets bs
cath bs 2 - targets frigates

etc etc

If we don't get the old stats back, I like this

but I'd still rather have 3 tick attack/6 tick defence

Deviant · 23 Nov 2003, 19:52

I voted for old style PA because i thought it was just more enjoyable.

Ultimate Newbie · 28 Nov 2003, 15:30

I'd like 2 tick attack and 2 or 3 tick defence (as mentioned above), as currently if you miss that single tick you cant help out your mate whatsoever - at least with two tick attacks then you can help for a while.

I voted for 3 / 3 thoguh - just because i felt like being different

Mistwraith · 10 Dec 2003, 09:09

1 tick attack is cool..
3 tick def or more.. not fussed but definately not 1

ScottishRebel · 13 Dec 2003, 23:57

I like it the way it is. although having maybe set for the Def to only 2 ticks instead of 6

Hurragutten · 14 Dec 2003, 23:39

I really prefere the PaX way of attacks/defence

Rember · 10 Jan 2004, 22:01

2 ticks attack 3 ticks defence, though u need to change eta's and ships targetting.
if not, keep 1 /1

Assassin · 31 Jan 2004, 21:36

i think 3 tick attacks and 3 tick defence is an ok option. One becuase i hated the old style of defending for 6 ticks that just sucks, plus i feel that the new option sucked also becuase if you missed the tick ur done for, where as if it was attack 3 ticks then you will be able to at least save yourself 2 ticks.

Appocomaster · 1 Feb 2004, 12:31

If (as I thought we were, although checking back I can't find a post to justify this) we're going back to clusters and parallels (hurray!) and (i know this!) we'll have 'several' races, I assume the ETA is being shifted back, which will make it easier to get defense with fighters / whatever their equilivent from cluster/parallel/gal mates. This will give the defender a bit of an advantage. I think the attacker should be able to attack for more than 1 tick (maybe lower the cap rate to 10%or something per tick - I realise more than 1 tick means bashing etc, with a huge fleet first tick and then a pod fleet next tick, but this is an initiative problem as much as an eta / attack time problem). Something like 2/2 or 2/3 (maybe 3/4) but I don't think 3/6 is fair, it'll be easier to get defense compared to last round as it is, so getting a friend bigger than you to send some of his fleet to cover you for 6 ticks against lots of incoming isn't that fair - and alliances will take advantage of this more than n00bs when covering defense.

Cappy · 24 Feb 2004, 03:02

different Attack /Defence Times Depending on Tactics and Research.
ie..

Attack 1 Tick - Sneak Attack (2X E cost, Does not show on Gal Status until tick 4 (or whatever ingal defence time is))
Attack 2 Tick - Normal Attack
Attack 2 Tick - Stratigic Attack (2X E cost, Roid Cap +5/10%, Attack Damage -10%)

Defend 2 Tick - Emergency Defence(3X E cost, ETA -1)
Defend 3 Tick - Normal Defence
Defend 4 Tick - Picket Defence (2X E cost, like 10% defence bonus)

Also, to make this work better, we would definately have to get rid of the Universal ETA. ETA based on Shipclass/size like in the old days. Priorities could be incorperated into all of these.
These of course are just basis for my idea, the costs and effects can be tweaked to be more fair.

LordBrem · 2 Mar 2004, 09:34

It should be easier to defend than to attack...3/6 makes the most sense.

General Martok · 2 Mar 2004, 16:47

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cappy

different Attack /Defence Times Depending on Tactics and Research.
ie..

Attack 1 Tick - Sneak Attack (2X E cost, Does not show on Gal Status until tick 4 (or whatever ingal defence time is))
Attack 2 Tick - Normal Attack
Attack 2 Tick - Stratigic Attack (2X E cost, Roid Cap +5/10%, Attack Damage -10%)

Defend 2 Tick - Emergency Defence(3X E cost, ETA -1)
Defend 3 Tick - Normal Defence
Defend 4 Tick - Picket Defence (2X E cost, like 10% defence bonus)

Also, to make this work better, we would definately have to get rid of the Universal ETA. ETA based on Shipclass/size like in the old days. Priorities could be incorperated into all of these.
These of course are just basis for my idea, the costs and effects can be tweaked to be more fair.

I rather liked the idea of NO launch costs whatsoever... Kept the fleets going, also later in round...

Cappy · 2 Mar 2004, 23:39

keeping a stockpile of fuel is also a big part of strategy... one i think was missing from the last round. to me, its pointless to have the 3 resources in PAX, where at least in the earlier rounds, it made sence.. i.e. Metal primarily for ships (with exceptions) crystal for ships and scans, and e for scans and fuel. Having the resources kinda specialized like this made you use stratigy when getting roids... hummm, i need more fuel, ok, lets find a target where i can cap some E roids.... hmmm, i need some more crystal, so i can make scans, ok, lets find a target with lots of C roids. in PAX, all you really needed was a correct ratio... and by attacking targets of the same race, or alternating between certian races, you could keep that ratio... imho, overly simplified.

also, having to factor in fuel costs brings in strategy when composing a fleet. twards the end of the round, if you don't have enough E roids, you have to really watch how you compose your fleet. This also cuts down on the number of complete bashings that take place, unless the bashor ofc used enough strategy earlier in the game and got enough E roids

LordBrem · 17 Mar 2004, 09:47

What's wrong with complete bashings? They are fun

Cappy · 17 Mar 2004, 18:46

nothing ofc, if you plan well enough to have the fuel to fund them...

i'm just not the biggest fan of being able to send your entire fleet out every night with out the reprecussion of running out of fuel or whatever. to me, its almost too easy, and its just my personal opinion that i like using E as fuel.

I also liked having the different Ship Classes having different ETAs, that aslo brought into play many many different stratgies

jerome · 18 Mar 2004, 18:49

Well said, and I agree with your ideas in that earlier post, Cappy.

Dark-Strider · 23 Mar 2004, 12:05

old school all the way

especially for when def, so thn u can tackle 2 waves of attacks

Gerbie · 24 Mar 2004, 09:22

I prefer old style above this new stuff. But why not try a compomise (2 att/3 def)?

some suggestions:
traveltime is an important factor too: add distances or clusters and/or parallels

A traveltime system that favours smaller players sounds nice too: TT or speed based on your (fleet)value: allows swift action from early on in the game, without taking away the need for TT research. Or based on your relative value (to fascilitate attacking big players). It would allow the smaller players to work together over larger distances.

If you use old stats, then simplify them: WpSp/Agil and Guns/Pwr/Armor have a similar aim: 1 of these combinations can be made abundand without seriously influencing the way combat takes place.

Remove the attack limit: if the scoring system is bad, then fix that instead of fighting the symptons.

Cappy · 28 Mar 2004, 08:54

humm... just noticing, i have like 3 posts alone on this one thread, yet i still have a post count of 1.

i would be more than happy to settle for anything, so long as it was that defence can be 2X as long as attacks. ie. 1A/2D ; 2A/4D, etc.