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Chojin · 2 Jul 2003, 22:51

Okay guys, in this thread we debate which is the best.

I :heart: you, Robocop and I :heart: your ace soundtrack

Kumnaa · 2 Jul 2003, 22:52

Terminator by a long way

MrMighty · 2 Jul 2003, 22:55

What do you mean, the film or the character?

Belgarath The Sorcerer · 2 Jul 2003, 22:55

Terminator is the win.

Dante Hicks · 2 Jul 2003, 22:55

Terminator, but Robocop was still good. Robocop was vaguely comedy/satire (the ads were brilliant) though, whereas Terminator (1 & 2) was more serious.

Chojin · 2 Jul 2003, 22:58

I hate Terminator.
It was just so... brainless.

Kurashima · 2 Jul 2003, 23:00

Try reading the graphic novels.

Terminator Wins ..... until you realise that putting a human mind into a machine and allowing it free reign (The terminators use the Alex Murphy Mind/Machine meld as a prototype to develop their own cybernetic intelligence) will result in the human mind adapting to its new environment and perverting it faster than the machine (developed by a less integrated human mind) can adapt.

The end result is that 20 years later, the "Human" Virus in Skynet produces an army of near invincible Robocops with terminator Weaponry and access to a time platform.

End Result : John Connor couldnt have done it better himself!

Dante Hicks · 2 Jul 2003, 23:00

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Originally posted by Chojin
I hate Terminator.
It was just so... brainless.

How so? The storyline wasn't particularly more simplistic than Robocop was it?

If anything, I'd say the time-travel/ethics of Terminator (mainly two perhaps) put it above Robocop, intellectually speaking.

Chojin · 2 Jul 2003, 23:03

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Originally posted by Dante Hicks
How so? The storyline wasn't particularly more simplistic than Robocop was it?

If anything, I'd say the time-travel/ethics of Terminator (mainly two perhaps) put it above Robocop, intellectually speaking.

I found Robocop to be "deeper". The thought behind it, to me, surpassed that of Terminator, which I found to just be an exciting display of special effects, of which the plot was secondary.

Kumnaa · 2 Jul 2003, 23:05

Terinmator seemed more real. Robocop, while not bad, had a very tacky feel to it.

Kurashima · 2 Jul 2003, 23:09

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Originally posted by Kumnaa
Terinmator seemed more real. Robocop, while not bad, had a very tacky feel to it.

The Original Robocop was a satire on a possible future Corporate America , and was skilfully directed by Verhoeven along those lines.

Of course it had to look "Tacky" in places. Tacky is standard issue in the USA.

Nusselt · 2 Jul 2003, 23:13

personally i hated the original terminator it was crap. But id say yeah the second one was aces compared to robocop.

ps the new terminator has a running time of only like 110 minutes and isnt meant to be that good

Kumnaa · 2 Jul 2003, 23:14

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Originally posted by Nusselt

ps the new terminator has a running time of only like 110 minutes and isnt meant to be that good

the trailers looked good and had a naked chick in, we'll just have to wait till ive downloaded it.

Dante Hicks · 2 Jul 2003, 23:14

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Originally posted by Nusselt
ps the new terminator has a running time of only like 110 minutes and isnt meant to be that good

If it's crap then 110 mins is way too long.

Deffeh · 2 Jul 2003, 23:30

what was the later one with stallone? future cop or something?

and who was judge dredd, cause that was fairly similar too

Dante Hicks · 2 Jul 2003, 23:34

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Originally posted by Deffeh
what was the later one with stallone? future cop or something?

Demolition Man? Time Cop was a compleltey different and much worse film. Demolition Man was pretty cool, going further down the satire route of Robocop.

And Judge Dread (the film) was crap.

huh · 2 Jul 2003, 23:38

Terminator would kick Robocops ass any day of the week. Robocop looked like he was made of really thin lead.

huh · 2 Jul 2003, 23:39

Hay I know why don't they turn that paralysed Superman guy into Robocop. It's a winning combination.

HAL-9000 · 2 Jul 2003, 23:41

Robot man goes back in time to stop himself being created, thus he is unable to go back in time to stop himself being created and therefore he goes back in time and stops himself being created ........................................................................ back in time ..................................................... created .......................... stops ........................................ etc.

Umm, they didn't really think about the plot too well did they?

Dante Hicks · 2 Jul 2003, 23:51

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Originally posted by HAL-9000
Umm, they didn't really think about the plot too well did they?

Yes, how unrealistic.

queball · 3 Jul 2003, 00:07

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Originally posted by HAL-9000
Robot man goes back in time to stop himself being created, thus he is unable to go back in time to stop himself being created and therefore he goes back in time and stops himself being created ........................................................................ back in time ..................................................... created .......................... stops ........................................ etc.

Umm, they didn't really think about the plot too well did they?

Robot man goes back in time to stop himself being created. He is successful and the world is saved. Is this too hard to understand?

Terminator > All. Robocop was in no way sexually attractive.

Chojin · 3 Jul 2003, 00:56

It's theoretically impossible for any of the Terminator's to still have been around after the destruction of the Cyberdine building.

deerbarn · 3 Jul 2003, 01:08

Unless when he melted himsef and the last chip he never existed in the first place to go back in time to stop himself from existing

queball · 3 Jul 2003, 01:10

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Originally posted by Chojin
It's theoretically impossible for any of the Terminator's to still have been around after the destruction of the Cyberdine building.

Oh, thankyou for this opinion. I didn't realise you were a time travel expert.

JonnyBGood · 3 Jul 2003, 01:14

Terminator drove a harley, used a shotgun and had the music "Bad to the Bone" playing in the original movie after he destroyed the bar. Robocop drove a police-car, used a pistol and had feelings. I rest my case.

PS Wesley Snipes in Demolition Man was cool as well.

Helveticus · 3 Jul 2003, 01:55

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Originally posted by Deffeh
and who was judge dredd, cause that was fairly similar too

Stallone.

Sarina_Joy · 3 Jul 2003, 01:59

I haven't seen Robocop except the ****ty series.

terminator then, even though I saw it for the first time less than a year ago.

Radical Edward · 3 Jul 2003, 05:09

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Originally posted by queball
Oh, thankyou for this opinion. I didn't realise you were a time travel expert.

oh come on, it's a painfully simple paradox:

you go back in time, kill your grandfather before your grandma is pregnant with your dad. your dad is never born and then you are never born to go back in time to kill your grandfather, so your grandfather lifes, dad is born, you are born to go back in time and kill your grandfather ad infinitum.

Steve_G · 3 Jul 2003, 06:15

arnold is better then everyone, its as simple as that

Scoot951 · 3 Jul 2003, 07:40

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Originally posted by Nusselt
personally i hated the original terminator it was crap. But id say yeah the second one was aces compared to robocop.

ps the new terminator has a running time of only like 110 minutes and isnt meant to be that good

What do you mean, 'meant to be'? I can understand when they say Star Wars or Matrix is just a lead-in to the next episode, but the Terminator series can't pull that excuse off.

Scoot951 · 3 Jul 2003, 07:41

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Originally posted by Radical Edward
oh come on, it's a painfully simple paradox:

you go back in time, kill your grandfather before your grandma is pregnant with your dad. your dad is never born and then you are never born to go back in time to kill your grandfather, so your grandfather lifes, dad is born, you are born to go back in time and kill your grandfather ad infinitum.

Alternate universes, n00b. Kill your grandpa, all you do is create a new timeline that doesn't involve you. You, however, are still sitting pretty.

LHC · 3 Jul 2003, 08:02

This thread makes me angry.

CrashTester · 3 Jul 2003, 10:35

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Originally posted by Scoot951
Alternate universes, n00b. Kill your grandpa, all you do is create a new timeline that doesn't involve you. You, however, are still sitting pretty.

You come across as being really...dopey.

queball · 3 Jul 2003, 10:48

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Originally posted by Radical Edward
oh come on, it's a painfully simple paradox:

you go back in time, kill your grandfather before your grandma is pregnant with your dad. your dad is never born and then you are never born to go back in time to kill your grandfather, so your grandfather lifes, dad is born, you are born to go back in time and kill your grandfather ad infinitum.

I go back in time, kill my grandfather before my grandma is pregnant with my dad. My dad is never born and I am never born. Sun rise, sun set. So, do I have to go back in time twice to kill myself? Isn't once enough?

MrL_JaKiri · 3 Jul 2003, 11:24

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Originally posted by Scoot951
Alternate universes, n00b. Kill your grandpa, all you do is create a new timeline that doesn't involve you. You, however, are still sitting pretty.

Thank you for in one line resolving the grandfather paradox, which is one of the central arguments (well, paradoxes in general) around the possibility of Time Travel.

ps

Empirical evidence ta.

Cmdr_Cyrax · 3 Jul 2003, 11:54

May I congratulate the n00b who fell into the first and bloody obvious pit in the debate about time travel.

p.s The best arguement against Robocop is......Robocop 2

Radical Edward · 3 Jul 2003, 14:58

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Originally posted by Scoot951
Alternate universes, n00b. Kill your grandpa, all you do is create a new timeline that doesn't involve you. You, however, are still sitting pretty.

oh yeah, why didn't I say that?

oh I know..... because travelling to another universe isn't time travel, it's called "travelling to another universe"

and as MrL said

Empirical evidence ta

Radical Edward · 3 Jul 2003, 14:59

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Originally posted by Cmdr_Cyrax
May I congratulate the n00b who fell into the first and bloody obvious pit in the debate about time travel.

p.s The best arguement against Robocop is......Robocop 2

hell no, did you ever see the film they made for the series?

"shall I shoot these people in the head like I usually do, no, I will shoot a piece of wire and trap him under some metal instead"

and didn't it anoy anyone how in the game, you couldn't shoot the man in the balls through the women's dress like in the film?

W · 3 Jul 2003, 15:36

Point for RoboCop: Being atleast a bit human
Point for Terminator: Acting atleast a bit human

Cmdr_Cyrax · 3 Jul 2003, 16:22

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Originally posted by Radical Edward
hell no, did you ever see the film they made for the series?

"shall I shoot these people in the head like I usually do, no, I will shoot a piece of wire and trap him under some metal instead"

and didn't it anoy anyone how in the game, you couldn't shoot the man in the balls through the women's dress like in the film?

Unfortunately I did. I alter my eairler statement:
The second bestarguement against robocop is robocop 2.

And I played the game before I saw the film and so didn't even attempt to shoot through the skirt