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Structural Integrity · 16 Oct 2003, 15:48

Dedication...
Seriously, those people have a goal in life, hoe absurd it may be, and they are actually prepared to die for their goal.
Not a single western pussy is prepared to die for their goals. They are all too obsessed with their consuming and their carreer.

When I grow up, I wanna be a terrorist!!

Intrepid00 · 16 Oct 2003, 15:59

Sorry SI, but this was very uncreative. Before I came in to read it I knew exactly what you where going to say.

Cyp · 16 Oct 2003, 16:02

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Originally Posted by Intrepid00

Sorry SI, but this was very uncreative. Before I came in to read it I knew exactly what you where going to say.

Did your mouse hover over the link for a second before coming in to read it?

Intrepid00 · 16 Oct 2003, 16:05

No, I just clicked it. As soon as I saw the title I knew where this was going. So many people have already made jokes about it.

Structural Integrity · 16 Oct 2003, 16:05

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Originally Posted by Intrepid00

Sorry SI, but this was very uncreative. Before I came in to read it I knew exactly what you where going to say.

You psychic or something?
But I was dead serious, those guys really know what they are on about. They really deserve more respect than people are giving them.

Intrepid00 · 16 Oct 2003, 16:14

Sorry, F for creativity but I will give you a C for effort.

ChubbyChecker · 16 Oct 2003, 16:17

People who are willing to die for an ideal can't have much to live for in the first place.

djbass · 16 Oct 2003, 16:19

I geuss that is dependent on how you view death. I do not feel that sacrificing oneself for a few humble lines of scripture to necessarily be courageous in any way. You could also take the view that death is the easy way out and that the real challenge lies in living a full and prosperous life.

=[DJ Bass]=

djbass · 16 Oct 2003, 16:54

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Originally Posted by Toccata & Fugue

Hard to live a full and prosperous life if someone kills your family and nicks your country.

did I not say challenge?

=[DJ Bass]=

16 Oct 2003, 16:58

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Originally Posted by Structural Integrity

Dedication...
Seriously, those people have a goal in life, hoe absurd it may be, and they are actually prepared to die for their goal.
Not a single western pussy is prepared to die for their goals. They are all too obsessed with their consuming and their carreer.

When I grow up, I wanna be a terrorist!!

So what makes our goal of a long and enjoyable life any less vaild than the disillusioned goal of a terrorist?

Most people who kill themselves only do so because someone else has told them too (usually through twisted interpretation of religion) had they have not been warped I doubt the thought to blow themselves up would have ever entered their empty little heads.

Intrepid00 · 16 Oct 2003, 17:21

http://www.ilovebacon.com/101603/f.shtml

Now this pumpkin had ideals and met its goal.

Dace · 16 Oct 2003, 17:46

Terrorism is nihlism taken to its 'conclusion'

or something

JammyJim · 16 Oct 2003, 18:34

erm

what about the military?

surely theres lots of people in that who would die for their country/flag/beliefs.

Proteus · 16 Oct 2003, 19:07

They are only willing to die because they think that God will reward them with eternity in paradise and unlimited sex.

They don't think they're sacrificing anything at all.

What a shock they'll get when God sends them all to hell for mass murder.

KoeN · 16 Oct 2003, 21:10

we aren't willing to die for anything because we;

- got everything we need already.
- aren't brainwashed like those people (7 virgins at heavenporch blababla).
- don't need to die to get things done. (not that they get it done by dying).

Evil Skragg · 17 Oct 2003, 13:02

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Originally Posted by Structural Integrity

Dedication...

Not a single western pussy is prepared to die for their goals.

When I grow up, I wanna be a terrorist!!

The Crusades, anyone?
David Blaine, Anyone?

Pie · 17 Oct 2003, 19:46

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Originally Posted by Evil Skragg

The Crusades, anyone?

The crusaders were more about territory gain then religious fundamentals. Pope Urban II's preaching at Clermont only really roused the "peasants" it was mostly younger nobles who hadn't inherited much from their fathers and wanted territory for their own.

Sorry.

edit: and the people's crusade were sent to the holy land under flase pretenses, they were literally brainwashed into thinking a land of 'milk and honey' awaited them, upon reaching Anatolia (Modern Turkey) they were promptly slaughtered in their thousands by the Seljuks ;(

Muslim · 17 Oct 2003, 20:31

i pretty much doubt that atheist would ever be willing to die for his cause

pablissimo · 17 Oct 2003, 20:32

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Originally Posted by Muslim

i pretty much doubt that atheist would ever be willing to die for his cause

Again, soldiers.

Muslim · 17 Oct 2003, 20:34

they are not willing to
soldiers never think that they will die

terrorists on the other hand are 100% sure of death on the point they start walking down the road

pablissimo · 17 Oct 2003, 20:34

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Originally Posted by Muslim

soldiers never think that they will die

lolz

Muslim · 17 Oct 2003, 20:36

peniz?
you know what i meant

pablissimo · 17 Oct 2003, 20:37

What? I was mocking you for your frankly baffling comment.

Muslim · 17 Oct 2003, 20:39

oh yeah
real mature

pablissimo · 17 Oct 2003, 20:40

Reasoning with you seems pointless when you believe that soldiers don't think there's the chance that they'll snuff it, and that aetheists wouldn't die for a cause.

World War I anyone? Trenches? Certain death? What?

Muslim · 17 Oct 2003, 20:45

I meant that the regular soldier that is in a battlefield will do everything on its capabilities to avoid being killed.

There are, However, situations that a given soldier can be sure that he wont make out alive. Nevertheless usually he will fight to the bitter end trying not to die

The terrorist, on the other hand, Deals with a 0% chance of survival, quite the opposite of the soldier.
When you are a soldier, and you enlist, in times of war, your chance of survival would be, say, 70%

thats a number that the terrorist cant count on

why is it so hard to understand, and why have i to excruciate every little detail?

Bunga · 17 Oct 2003, 20:47

What I assume he meant was that while soldiers are mentally aware that yes, they are in a war and could die at any moment, they don't think it will actually happen to them. Think if yourself when you took your High School diploma, I bet you never even gave it a moment's serious thought that you would fail. You were aware that, yes, you might fail given bad circumstances but Iäll bet you never really believed it would happen to you.

With soldiers in war, its like that but much much worse.

pablissimo · 17 Oct 2003, 20:47

Because none of that was implied from your original post.

Also, explain why bodyguards to the President are willing to be shot and probably killed to protect him? They're doing the exact opposite of what you just described.

Muslim · 17 Oct 2003, 20:51

again
its a chance of dying

pablissimo · 17 Oct 2003, 20:52

Plus when it comes down to it, I think anyone would be willing to die for a cause. Otherwise you wouldn't see selfless acts like people running into burning buildings to save trapped occupants and things of that ilk.

Are you saying that, should it be required you wouldn't die to save your kids? Your spouse?

Muslim · 17 Oct 2003, 20:58

people who do that believe in afterlife (wheter genetic or in the religious sense) and the chance of not actually dying

Evil Skragg · 17 Oct 2003, 20:59

Structural Integrity....

You, are a ****ing moron

pablissimo · 17 Oct 2003, 21:00

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Originally Posted by Muslim

people who do that believe in afterlife (wheter genetic or in the religious sense) and the chance of not actually dying

I don't believe in an afterlife. I'm certain that once we pop, we're stopped*. Yet I know for damned sure that should I ever have kids and it came down to it I'd die for them. You see if on the news occassionally, people using themselves as human shields in pub shootings and the like. You wouldn't have time to assess your theological standing before making a decision. So it can't be that clear cut.

*Comedy reference to Pringles.

Muslim · 17 Oct 2003, 21:06

so where are you getting?

pablissimo · 17 Oct 2003, 21:09

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Originally Posted by Muslim

so where are you getting?

What?

Muslim · 17 Oct 2003, 21:10

what is that you are wanting to prove me?

pablissimo · 17 Oct 2003, 21:11

That your claim about aetheists not being willing to die for a cause was crap.

Proteus · 17 Oct 2003, 21:11

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Originally Posted by Muslim

what is that you are wanting to prove me?

What happened to your ability to string together a coherent sentence?

Muslim · 17 Oct 2003, 21:14

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Originally Posted by pablissimo

That your claim about aetheists not being willing to die for a cause was crap.

its is not crap

its pretty good actually

if you die, and you are atheist, thats it

there is nothing worst than dying, nothing.

so what would motivate an atheist to die?
nothing

=(

obviously the exceptions prove the rule

Proteus · 17 Oct 2003, 21:15

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Originally Posted by Muslim

there is nothing worst than dying, nothing.

This is where your argument falls down and dies.

pablissimo · 17 Oct 2003, 21:16

Christ alive.

First, if you're an aetheist there's lots of things worse than dying. In fact, there's lots of things worse than dying no matter what your belief system.

Second, the preservation of life would motivate an aetheist to sacrifice himself, just like it would most human beings. Whether they believe in God or not doesn't really matter.

Third, how the hell does an exception to a rule prove it?

Bunga · 17 Oct 2003, 21:24

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Originally Posted by Muslim

if you die, and you are atheist, thats it

Thats not true. There might very well be a non-spirtual or non-religious method of having an afterlife. One's brainwave pattern might be encoded in some kind of "ether" for lack of a better word and be a self-sustaining matrix after one's time of death.

The only argument which can be raised against it is Occam's Razor, since we just don't know.