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Unread 16 Feb 2016, 22:31   #101
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Re: R65. Who wins?

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Okey, even so, with the 60 bonus then.
As things stands now:
Top40 ult got 34k roids
Norse 49,5k roids
Capping 15500 roids at 15m value with 60% bonus will repay in 241 ticks (10 days)
The half that i could planet scan in Norse got 1,5 million score hidden in stocks, and i cba to start finding out what ult got hidden in stock, but im assuming its not a lot since they prolly spent it all while being under attack.

So _IF_ Ult was not to land XP, and not gain more roids on Norse, and Ult dont got much stock piled, and the Ult top40 stays the same, Norse will be ending around 1-2 million behind Ult.
And if you had five 3 million planets ready to join, and if you would accept them, Norse would win by 13-14 millions over Ult.
An unlikely scenario, but not impossibole.
We dont have oot planets and we wont accept oot planets either. We are 33 proud Norse (+ newteh and pommeh) and not a planet more

Now stop the IF and WHAT or ill give zonny forumlink.
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Unread 16 Feb 2016, 22:49   #102
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We dont have oot planets and we wont accept oot planets either. We are 33 proud Norse (+ newteh and pommeh) and not a planet more

Now stop the IF and WHAT or ill give zonny forumlink.
Only norse know that, the rest of us is left with "if" and "what".

Its happend before, FL won with adding planets
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Unread 16 Feb 2016, 22:54   #103
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Re: R65. Who wins?

FL had two planets out of tag iirc. Both was escorted. Wasn't it concluded that the win would have been fl anyway?
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Unread 17 Feb 2016, 00:26   #104
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I heard Wishmaster had 7 dwarfs sign up for his next project.
Norsemen and the 7 dwarfs.
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Unread 17 Feb 2016, 08:46   #105
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FL had two planets out of tag iirc. Both was escorted. Wasn't it concluded that the win would have been fl anyway?
Sounds like you were in faceless that round
Nah, they prolly would not have won without adding planets, and it was well known that they kept sending out mails to "recruit for next round".
IIRC, they won by less than 10 millions, half of that being a "Spore player" who was gonna leave tag at last tick but deflected over to FL to give them the win.
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Unread 17 Feb 2016, 15:25   #106
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Re: R65. Who wins?

Correct. In the end, the two players we had plus the player that 'defected', were enough to win the round. I think even without the 'defector' it was just barely in our favour, but too close for comfort.

The other 3 or 4 random planets were the result of some questionable tactics that not everyone agreed with, and thankfully did not make the difference.
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Unread 17 Feb 2016, 15:27   #107
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Re: R65. Who wins?

indeed i was, and one of those planets was in my gal. he was in fl for half the round and not recruited due to some mail. He ended top50 somewhere with mcs, so not recruited due to some mail. That mail things was just rumours just like the Norse have 20 planets out of tag.
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The other 3 or 4 random planets were the result of some questionable tactics that not everyone agreed with, and thankfully did not make the difference.
Kenny had 4 million score, the bottom 3 FL planets had 1+ mill score.
Faceless won with 7 million in score.
50 planets counted for score
Faceless had 49 members.

So FL won by adding planets, sending out mails ingame that they were "recruiting for next round".
A win is a win, i dont see the reason why trying to make it something else than what it was.
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Unread 17 Feb 2016, 19:31   #109
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did you not read?
the guy in my gal was top50 and that was not kenny, he was fl for half the round. just not in tag
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Kenny had 4 million score, the bottom 3 FL planets had 1+ mill score.
Faceless won with 7 million in score.
50 planets counted for score
Faceless had 49 members.

So FL won by adding planets, sending out mails ingame that they were "recruiting for next round".
A win is a win, i dont see the reason why trying to make it something else than what it was.
I'm not trying to make it into anything, Kenny secured the win for us, but I distinctly remember checking to see if we would have won without his + the random players' scores and seeing that we were a few hundred thousand points ahead without them.
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Here's a secret. Ult has a grand total of 2 dedicated DCs. Then people step in to DC their own stuff on occasion but pretty much all ships go through the 2 DCs for the most part. Quality over quantity. Confusion leads to a mess and poor coverage or over coverage.
maybe its a little advantage, that when a dc calls 1 person, magically 6,9 and more defence fleets are available to send defence

some alliances seem to have this "magical" advantage

for the others its a hard task to wake everyone up 1 by 1

a little bonus effect to this is that sending the right ships (keyword 1-2 fleet covers) is much easier when you have 9 def fleets at once to choose from, then 3 def fleets at xx:10, another 3 at xx:15 etc...
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maybe its a little advantage, that when a dc calls 1 person, magically 6,9 and more defence fleets are available to send defence

some alliances seem to have this "magical" advantage

for the others its a hard task to wake everyone up 1 by 1

a little bonus effect to this is that sending the right ships (keyword 1-2 fleet covers) is much easier when you have 9 def fleets at once to choose from, then 3 def fleets at xx:10, another 3 at xx:15 etc...
Are you implying that ult is accountsharers?
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Unread 18 Feb 2016, 17:48   #113
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That's pure emorage there. Jelly that Ult's players actually respond to calls and whatsapp messages... gg <.<
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there is no Ult... there is only agar3s...
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Re: R65. Who wins?

Hi guys!

Or might it be possible... just MIGHT.. here it comes! I'll write it down in small steps.

- a DC has a phone.
- a player in Ultores has a phone.
- the DC has something like "Whatsapp" or whatever.
- the player in Ultores has something like "Whatsapp".
- DC types in "Whatsapp" and the player gets a message in "Whatsapp"
- THE PLAYER IN ULT WAKES UP, AND SO DO 8 OTHERS!
- 1 player does not wake up from the message in "Whatsapp"
- a DC calls player #10
- Player wakes up, sends fleet

my jesus could this mean that 10 def fleets have been sent with only 1 phonecall? Nah damn ok pfooeee i'm spacing hard again this ofc is not possible
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Hi guys!

Or might it be possible... just MIGHT.. here it comes! I'll write it down in small steps.

- a DC has a phone.
- a player in Ultores has a phone.
- the DC has something like "Whatsapp" or whatever.
- the player in Ultores has something like "Whatsapp".
- DC types in "Whatsapp" and the player gets a message in "Whatsapp"
- THE PLAYER IN ULT WAKES UP, AND SO DO 8 OTHERS!
- 1 player does not wake up from the message in "Whatsapp"
- a DC calls player #10
- Player wakes up, sends fleet

my jesus could this mean that 10 def fleets have been sent with only 1 phonecall? Nah damn ok pfooeee i'm spacing hard again this ofc is not possible
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maybe its a little advantage, that when a dc calls 1 person, magically 6,9 and more defence fleets are available to send defence

some alliances seem to have this "magical" advantage

for the others its a hard task to wake everyone up 1 by 1

a little bonus effect to this is that sending the right ships (keyword 1-2 fleet covers) is much easier when you have 9 def fleets at once to choose from, then 3 def fleets at xx:10, another 3 at xx:15 etc...
last round you guys called us unemployed people with no life, your explaination for us outperforming you now is that we cheat?

Is it so hard to just admit that we are more active? haha
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maybe its a little advantage, that when a dc calls 1 person, magically 6,9 and more defence fleets are available to send defence

some alliances seem to have this "magical" advantage

for the others its a hard task to wake everyone up 1 by 1

a little bonus effect to this is that sending the right ships (keyword 1-2 fleet covers) is much easier when you have 9 def fleets at once to choose from, then 3 def fleets at xx:10, another 3 at xx:15 etc...
Yes cause you are bad others must be cheating. Please tell me you are not going to teach your child to behave like you just did. It would be unfair on its poor soul.
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Xerxes tries to wake me up at ungodly hours but I don't have phone service at home so I just stay up till incs
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In highschool, i passed my physics class by answering questions in my sleep. PA is far simpler than physics. I "wake up" when called by DCs. IE, i kick your asses in my sleep. Yes, I don't exactly wake up, it's more like a zombielike state in which i can actually hold a conversation or launch ships and later have zero recollection of doing so :3 PHYSICS IS EASY!
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In highschool, i passed my physics class by answering questions in my sleep. PA is far simpler than physics. I "wake up" when called by DCs. IE, i kick your asses in my sleep. Yes, I don't exactly wake up, it's more like a zombielike state in which i can actually hold a conversation or launch ships and later have zero recollection of doing so :3 PHYSICS IS EASY!
Your Californian timezone helps with PA tho...
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Agar3s, Dealer and myself are all 1 person, surprise!
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I don't abide by the local timezone, you should know this by now <.< i fkin wake at 4pm every day it's more like tokyo time zone :3
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Is it so hard to just admit that we are more active? haha
You are more active, which is why sometime you should play with just 60 members and actually show you can do it without your hangers on.

P.s. implying they are shared or multi accounts is rather a low blow unless there is evidence. And as such you would probably have all been best advised to ignore it rather than huff and puff as usual.
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You are more active, which is why sometime you should play with just 60 members and actually show you can do it without your hangers on.

P.s. implying they are shared or multi accounts is rather a low blow unless there is evidence. And as such you would probably have all been best advised to ignore it rather than huff and puff as usual.
Sure thing, when the other allies stop ganbanging us instead of fighting 1 vs 1. We wont ask for help from others anymore.

But saying we should not ask for help, when we are (even with the help we have) terribly out-numbered is really weird.

Show some spine and fight us 1 vs 1 then.
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P3ng has taken on Ult in a 1on1 at 1 time. Got beaten so hard they ve been unwilling to try unless multiple alliances join.
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You have a default kickback. p3n has a truly abysmal record against ult (although a good record against anyone else) however you were missing my meaning (which I guess is fair enough I did not spell it out well as I meant my post as a rebuke to m0 rather than a goad for ult). My post was not about p3n. My problem with Ult is that it soaks up all the best players. In a game of 1k players this would not be a problem but in a game of 400 it both creates monotony and basically ensures that the other alliances have to gang up on you.

I have severe doubts that even if faceless, ct and p3n all disbanded and created a new alliance out of the 60 best from their alliance that it would have as high quality players as Ult does now. As such I think that Ult really should slim itself down to just 60 for the good of the game to enable the possibility of a different style of politics in a round. I dont particularly like spending rounds engaged in gangbangs, I doubt they are fun for either side, and would much prefer that it was possible to have much more one on one fights. But that requires two things, 1st a decent alternative, and 2, ult to just have 60 members.

Edit: I realise that many of these excellent players don't actually play seriously and are often out of tag or in support tags rather than playing in the main ult tag. I still consider this to be taking up the best players.
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You are correct p3ng did and lost.

I guess I can weigh in with some comments by being one of the few allies to sit on both sides of the block with and against ult. For me when we say 1 on 1 with ult we know that entails ultores the 60 man tag and also the sub tags. Let's be realistic Agar3s anyone fighting ult has to be capable of fighting up to 100 planets. I don't think I'm exaggerating that figure as when we were both hitting the likes of bf we sat in a joint chan and you told me you had 100 people picking your targets.

Are they multi planets or just ultores fans who want to play in a good ally is not something I could distinguish between. But when you try and make out that the reason people fail vs ult is down to your skill I think it needs some context. The war is unbalanced before it starts if someone tris 1 on 1. They inevitably have to get someone to help to match your fire power.

This round you have ultores astaures heroes norse rainbows and hr playing for you. No one ally can beat that so blocks need to be formed to support anyone wanting to contend against it.

Not all of those alliances have any direct control by ult but it's pretty obvious you as a minimum have 20+ astaures 60 ultores and then out of tags players you swap in. To be blocked is inevitable when you play with such numbers.
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Sure thing, when the other allies stop ganbanging us instead of fighting 1 vs 1. We wont ask for help from others anymore.

But saying we should not ask for help, when we are (even with the help we have) terribly out-numbered is really weird.

Show some spine and fight us 1 vs 1 then.
PA is not a 1 vs 1 game, sorry.
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This round you have ultores astaures heroes norse rainbows and hr playing for you. No one ally can beat that so blocks need to be formed to support anyone wanting to contend against it.

Not all of those alliances have any direct control by ult but it's pretty obvious you as a minimum have 20+ astaures 60 ultores and then out of tags players you swap in. To be blocked is inevitable when you play with such numbers.
That's not accurate at all. HR, bows and Norse didnt launch fleets for us till pt800. HR and norse even hit us up until that point. Bows we've had a deal with most of the round, first an avoidance, then a nap, then an alliance. Astatores we have been allied to all round. Except us sending some def to bows and launching 150 fleets on ct over a week, and them sending some def to us after that there weren't any other aligned fleets from ult/bows till after pt800. Before pt800 Ult had nights of 300+ incs from your block, and that's not counting the incs astatores got for the record. You had us down to roid rank 7 before we ungrounded and got help to fight back.

Claiming that we went blocked into this is plain and simple wrong. You were gangbanging us for 350 ticks with several other allies before we got more help than oot def from astatores.

I've said this before, directly to several hc's in your block even prior to pt450; we expect to get blocked, just try to keep it somewhat balanced. 300+ incs didnt seem balanced to me since it would be clear that we'd be out of the race with more than 2 weeks left of the round at that rate, so i went looking for help. Clearly i'm not the only one thinking this was unbalanced, otherwise we'd be sitting in rank 4 right now with no allies.
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You are correct p3ng did and lost.

I guess I can weigh in with some comments by being one of the few allies to sit on both sides of the block with and against ult. For me when we say 1 on 1 with ult we know that entails ultores the 60 man tag and also the sub tags. Let's be realistic Agar3s anyone fighting ult has to be capable of fighting up to 100 planets. I don't think I'm exaggerating that figure as when we were both hitting the likes of bf we sat in a joint chan and you told me you had 100 people picking your targets.

Are they multi planets or just ultores fans who want to play in a good ally is not something I could distinguish between. But when you try and make out that the reason people fail vs ult is down to your skill I think it needs some context. The war is unbalanced before it starts if someone tris 1 on 1. They inevitably have to get someone to help to match your fire power.

This round you have ultores astaures heroes norse rainbows and hr playing for you. No one ally can beat that so blocks need to be formed to support anyone wanting to contend against it.

Not all of those alliances have any direct control by ult but it's pretty obvious you as a minimum have 20+ astaures 60 ultores and then out of tags players you swap in. To be blocked is inevitable when you play with such numbers.
First of all, I have never claimed about 100 people claiming targets. This is something you make up to have the rest sound more acceptable.

If my tag is too full and I have to decide to see them quit or play in another tag thats friendly to ult, I will let them play in that tag. Afterall its not my fault that most people that played in Ultores dont want to go back to alliances like p3nguins who dont understand after so many rounds that defence is that wins the rounds. Not attack.

It was Rainbows + Ult + Astatores against ND + CT + P3ng + FL way before Norse and HR decided to help our side of things. Never EVER has Ult created a block before they got blocked. But unlike you, we don't go -10% from 120 fleets and claim shit that isnt true.
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That's not accurate at all. HR, bows and Norse didnt launch fleets for us till pt800. HR and norse even hit us up until that point. Bows we've had a deal with most of the round, first an avoidance, then a nap, then an alliance. Astatores we have been allied to all round. Except us sending some def to bows and launching 150 fleets on ct over a week, and them sending some def to us after that there weren't any other aligned fleets from ult/bows till after pt800. Before pt800 Ult had nights of 300+ incs from your block, and that's not counting the incs astatores got for the record. You had us down to roid rank 7 before we ungrounded and got help to fight back.

Claiming that we went blocked into this is plain and simple wrong. You were gangbanging us for 350 ticks with several other allies before we got more help than oot def from astatores.

I've said this before, directly to several hc's in your block even prior to pt450; we expect to get blocked, just try to keep it somewhat balanced. 300+ incs didnt seem balanced to me since it would be clear that we'd be out of the race with more than 2 weeks left of the round at that rate, so i went looking for help. Clearly i'm not the only one thinking this was unbalanced, otherwise we'd be sitting in rank 4 right now with no allies.
I think the fact that you had deals with HR/BowS actualy makes you a block.
ofc, the fact that Ult was grounding and not attacking, meanwhile HR/BowS perhaps wasnt cooporating at all, does make it a very weak block.
If i was in charge of BowS politics that avoidance wouldnt have been extended to a full round NAP because it has set BowS back two-three ranks perhaps, meanwhile in the end Ultores might lose out on #1 anyway.
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I think the fact that you had deals with HR/BowS actualy makes you a block.
ofc, the fact that Ult was grounding and not attacking, meanwhile HR/BowS perhaps wasnt cooporating at all, does make it a very weak block.
If i was in charge of BowS politics that avoidance wouldnt have been extended to a full round NAP because it has set BowS back two-three ranks perhaps, meanwhile in the end Ultores might lose out on #1 anyway.
We had no deals with HR.
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Agar3s your selective memory is impressive but whether people belive what I say you said in that irc channel is true or not the evidence that every ally sees when they play with or against you suggests I'm more than likely correct.

p3nguins makes no claims for best defence in the uni so I'm unsure why you keep having to reference roid loss. I noticed you have had quite the roid loss this round also perhaps this is why you have taken to the forums like you do when your alliance is taking a beating.
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I think the fact that you had deals with HR/BowS actualy makes you a block.
I disagree, coordinated targetting with a common goal = a block.

If we're to go by your definition then nd would be blocked with p3ng and ct from pt1 till pt1177... Defencive agreements doesn't make a block imo.
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I've been away for a round, and when I visit the forums to see what's been happening and still seeing the same old cripple fighting over who has the biggest e-penis on a dying game with a deficit of 400~ players, it's just sad.

Fair enough if this game was actually improving and there was some real competition to brag about, but come on, does Ultores really consider these other tags as competition? At some point another tag is going to fold and subsequently the game will just die off. Considering the current Admins aren't even lifting a finger to actively improve the game, well, it's about time the game retires.

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You are correct p3ng did and lost.

I guess I can weigh in with some comments by being one of the few allies to sit on both sides of the block with and against ult. For me when we say 1 on 1 with ult we know that entails ultores the 60 man tag and also the sub tags. Let's be realistic Agar3s anyone fighting ult has to be capable of fighting up to 100 planets. I don't think I'm exaggerating that figure as when we were both hitting the likes of bf we sat in a joint chan and you told me you had 100 people picking your targets.

Are they multi planets or just ultores fans who want to play in a good ally is not something I could distinguish between. But when you try and make out that the reason people fail vs ult is down to your skill I think it needs some context. The war is unbalanced before it starts if someone tris 1 on 1. They inevitably have to get someone to help to match your fire power.

This round you have ultores astaures heroes norse rainbows and hr playing for you. No one ally can beat that so blocks need to be formed to support anyone wanting to contend against it.

Not all of those alliances have any direct control by ult but it's pretty obvious you as a minimum have 20+ astaures 60 ultores and then out of tags players you swap in. To be blocked is inevitable when you play with such numbers.
Tbh we've attacked ult far more then p3n this round So no we're not playing for ult, but yea we didn't want to be a part of the gangbang on ult. FL+p3n+ND+CT should be able to do this without us.
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This is exactly my worry, stagnation with the same things happening again and again, combined with a realisation that they cant win by any means but being in ult means that good players gravitate to Ult or quit. I agree with Fuyu that in many ways this is unfair to put the problem at Ult's door - it is not just its fault that it is so immensely dominant as a result of being that much better than the rest - but it is damaging to the game as a whole.
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I disagree, coordinated targetting with a common goal = a block.

If we're to go by your definition then nd would be blocked with p3ng and ct from pt1 till pt1177... Defencive agreements doesn't make a block imo.
Im ND myself, and i make no claims to this not being the case, i even said preround this would happend in PM to you.
BowS was regarded as a ult supporter from the start, and fell victim of this.
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This is exactly my worry, stagnation with the same things happening again and again, combined with a realisation that they cant win by any means but being in ult means that good players gravitate to Ult or quit. I agree with Fuyu that in many ways this is unfair to put the problem at Ult's door - it is not just its fault that it is so immensely dominant as a result of being that much better than the rest - but it is damaging to the game as a whole.
Funny statement. Ult has yet to win this round, and 2/3 last rounds they didnt win.
Tempting to join Ult and be a "fulltime PA player/multi", nah, people prefer easy wins
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Agar3s your selective memory is impressive but whether people belive what I say you said in that irc channel is true or not the evidence that every ally sees when they play with or against you suggests I'm more than likely correct.

p3nguins makes no claims for best defence in the uni so I'm unsure why you keep having to reference roid loss. I noticed you have had quite the roid loss this round also perhaps this is why you have taken to the forums like you do when your alliance is taking a beating.
Hmm you must really think highly of yourself I guess. You still do not understand the basics of what I told you before. You must be really stupid to not have seen that defending eachother is what stops you from losing roids when there are no wars.

Take for an example p3nguins would lose roids with 20 incomings in a night during times of peace. Ultores would not, its not hard to cover a few incoming fleets afterall. Are your members too selfish or do you push too hard for them to attack? Personally I have no clue. Its something you should deal with though, if you were ever to improve your alliance.

Cry on the forums when my alliance takes a beating? My alliance can take a beating unlike yours and I am proud 3 weeks of block incoming does not make them fall appart like yours does after a week.
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I was half interested in your statement about p3nguins losing roids during times of peace vs ultores who doesn't.. so let's take a look at the facts:

http://kia.cthq.net/index.php?p=tick...mit=50&page=20 I struggle to find a single page with no roid loss or crashing for ult this round. There may be 1 or 2 days the majority show you playing much more "normal" than your forum ego would lead us to believe.

As far as p3ng losing roids during times of peace well.. you should probably get your facts right. p3ng had a week of 0 roid loss to incoming between ticks 428 to 597 during a 7 day stint of holding 2 fort avoids and gal raiding till tick 500 when we started to hit you. I by no means think that time was fully peaceful but your statements on how p3ng plays and works are simply incorrect. Then again, why would I expect any different from you based on what you have already said in this thread so far.
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Are you implying that ult is accountsharers?
i wasnt referring to ult or any specific alliance, or speciific players. Not at all.

It makes me wonder though how some specific people now gone totally mad about it

In gold old germany there is a saying about a dog that has been hit, is barking loud.
The only translation i found isnt close to the words but nails the meaning of this saying:
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P.s. implying they are shared or multi accounts is rather a low blow unless there is evidence. And as such you would probably have all been best advised to ignore it rather than huff and puff as usual.
Funny, isnt it ? :crymeariver:
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So have we yet again followed the same old political path?

Ult gets big lead so #2 and #3 team up to roid ult. Ult picks on only one them to retaliate. One of #2 and #3 get fat and become #1. The now #3 loses interest, Ult goes on charm offensive, #3 swaps to ults side and attacks new #1. New #1 gets annoyed and hits #3 and ult rides back to the top with more roids and value
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This is exactly my worry, stagnation with the same things happening again and again, combined with a realisation that they cant win by any means but being in ult means that good players gravitate to Ult or quit. I agree with Fuyu that in many ways this is unfair to put the problem at Ult's door - it is not just its fault that it is so immensely dominant as a result of being that much better than the rest - but it is damaging to the game as a whole.
I have been saying this for rounds.
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Agar3s your selective memory is impressive but whether people belive what I say you said in that irc channel is true or not the evidence that every ally sees when they play with or against you suggests I'm more than likely correct.

p3nguins makes no claims for best defence in the uni so I'm unsure why you keep having to reference roid loss. I noticed you have had quite the roid loss this round also perhaps this is why you have taken to the forums like you do when your alliance is taking a beating.
Wouldn't waste your breath. He declared I wanted to join Ult before I even returned!

I just find it funny that all these support planets appear when their backs are against the wall. Convenient.
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Wouldn't waste your breath. He declared I wanted to join Ult before I even returned!

I just find it funny that all these support planets appear when their backs are against the wall. Convenient.
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This is exactly my worry, stagnation with the same things happening again and again, combined with a realisation that they cant win by any means but being in ult means that good players gravitate to Ult or quit.
This means that all the good active players are gravitating to Ult, and the ex Ult surpluss are avaible to be in the support tags.
This is just a side effect of having too small tags compared to the memberbases of certain alliances, wich means if you aint intending to be super active in all parts of this game, you will get removed to make room for members who can fullfill the requirements.
Astatores/HEROES/VGN are example of tags wich would perhaps not exist if there were options to idle in the main alliances, it does not how ever imply that all these tags are filled with only multies
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I was half interested in your statement about p3nguins losing roids during times of peace vs ultores who doesn't.. so let's take a look at the facts:

http://kia.cthq.net/index.php?p=tick...mit=50&page=20 I struggle to find a single page with no roid loss or crashing for ult this round. There may be 1 or 2 days the majority show you playing much more "normal" than your forum ego would lead us to believe.

As far as p3ng losing roids during times of peace well.. you should probably get your facts right. p3ng had a week of 0 roid loss to incoming between ticks 428 to 597 during a 7 day stint of holding 2 fort avoids and gal raiding till tick 500 when we started to hit you. I by no means think that time was fully peaceful but your statements on how p3ng plays and works are simply incorrect. Then again, why would I expect any different from you based on what you have already said in this thread so far.
So you name the time you napped every alliance except Ult and HR as a time where you had no deals? I find that quite funny.
It is also obvious you picked a time where the gap had been made already. We both know p3nguins is more offensive than Ultores, so how would it be possible for Ult to outroid you so badly if you werent losing roids.

Ultores playing normal or not, incoming stats will show how much better we are than you. We all know what happens to p3nguins when it gets hit. Its like a cardboard box in the rain, it falls appart.
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i wasnt referring to ult or any specific alliance, or speciific players. Not at all.

It makes me wonder though how some specific people now gone totally mad about it

In gold old germany there is a saying about a dog that has been hit, is barking loud.
The only translation i found isnt close to the words but nails the meaning of this saying:
Methinks thou dost protest too much.
Lets go over your reply to an Ultores member:

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maybe its a little advantage, that when a dc calls 1 person, magically 6,9 and more defence fleets are available to send defence
You just told her that her DC has an advantage 1 person can generate more than 3 fleets for her DC.

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You just pointed out that "SOME" alliances have this "MAGICAL" advantage, you used quotation marks to point that out to her.

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a little bonus effect to this is that sending the right ships (keyword 1-2 fleet covers) is much easier when you have 9 def fleets at once to choose from, then 3 def fleets at xx:10, another 3 at xx:15 etc...
You should know your members after so many rounds and know which ones show up when. So you could use the right ships for the right calls.
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