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Unread 3 Jul 2005, 20:47   #1
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Spare a thought for the Chavs...

I'm begging to feel sorry for chavs.... They get such a bad press, and behind the Burbery and the Bling, they are much the same as you or I. Yes, they like to show off a bit more than most people, but if you remain pleasant and respectful, they can be quite decent.

I think there is a skill in being ChavWise. I have a number of chavs who greet me and even chat to me when I meet them, and I think I have managed to boil chav interaction down to a few basic notes:

1) Don't act as if you are scared or superior. If you have to walk past a large group of them, say hello. They will laugh at first, but once they get used to it, they will respond in kind.
2) If you converse with chavs, stick to basic everyday subjects, at least until you know what they are in to. Some great subjects are The Weather, School/Work , and Alchoholic Drink. Try to find a common enemy (teachers/the boss/the police, whatever) and you will get on better.
3) Interactions will go smoother if you look 'normal' (Hello, I'm Joe Average), and not like a member of one of the other peer-presure youth social groups, such as 'Goths', 'Moshers' and 'Dancing Bannanas'

There. I htink if you follow those guidlines, you will find chavs decent citizens, if a little plain conversationally. Give it a go and report you findings. Grand.
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Re: Spare a thought for the Chavs...

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Re: Spare a thought for the Chavs...

I went outside in a jeans and T-Shirt, and casually said "Hello" to a local group of chavs when I walked past them. They punched me in the face, wrestled me to the ground and stole my phone.

What do you recommend I do now?
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Re: Spare a thought for the Chavs...

No, not at all. I like art and literature, I don't drink cider, and I'm freindly to everyone. I just think they get treated as almost sub-human, and its not very fair.
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drinking cider isnt a strictly-chav thing.

and they get treated as sub-human because they are
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Re: Spare a thought for the Chavs...

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I just think they get treated as almost sub-human, and its not very fair.
It wasn't very fair when they threw a brick through my car window either.
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Re: Spare a thought for the Chavs...

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They punched me in the face, wrestled me to the ground and stole my phone.
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and they get treated as sub-human because they are
They're just culturally different. There is somthing to be said for their culture too - It's simplistic, and not at all shy about the fact that it is sexually driven. Kind of fits in with the whole idea of the 'noble savage'... except they're not all that noble. *sigh*
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Re: Spare a thought for the Chavs...

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It wasn't very fair when they threw a brick through my car window either.
lol, ok, fair point. But, that all keys into the showing off. They're more violent and primal than most of us, but thats just because they want to impress the chav-ettes. Not that that makes it excusable or anything.

I suppose I jsut think its unfair that they get such a reputation for being unfreindly. I've never known chavs hurt people unless they are provoked or made to feel victimised. Then again, I don't live somwhere where muggery is an issue.
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They're more violent and primal than most of us
Probably more violent and primal then neanderthals too.
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Probably more violent and primal then neanderthals too.
the neanderthals weren't violent.
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Re: Spare a thought for the Chavs...

lol - posting this thread has really got me some bad rep . observe:

3 Jul 2005 21:19 You dont even remotely know any "chavs", if this is your attitude
3 Jul 2005 21:14 Sorry, but supporting chavs gets you neg-rep
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3 Jul 2005 20:50 shit. (name)

"my attitude" - you make it sound like I'm being offencive . and I'm not exactly 'supporting' chavs, I'm just try to get people to open their minds about the more inflicted upon in our society(s). I think I'll go outside dressed in a maralyn mason t-shirt and yell abuse at some chavs, then you can all feel guilty about my suicide .
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Re: Spare a thought for the Chavs...

As a foreigner I have no idea what a chav is. Would some one please explain?
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the whole chav thing is ****ing stupid, both sides of it
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Oh good lord!
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Re: Spare a thought for the Chavs...

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Re: Spare a thought for the Chavs...

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could you elaborate? I'd like to know wht you think.
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lol.
It is pretty much what would happen though.
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Re: Spare a thought for the Chavs...

Perhaps my idea of a chav is different to everybody elses. It would appear that most people really have it in for a badly-dressed freinds. I only know the one chav who does actually wear his trousers inside his socks, but even he, int he presence of a female of his kind, is only verbally unpleasant - he isn't actually violent. Though, come to think of it, I can recall a conversation I had with him in a bus stop a while back:

Me: Hi, How you doing!
Him: **** Off, Twat.

I could see why supporting him would get you bad rep .
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its the whole general demeanor that annoys me. hanging around on street corners. stealing things. breaking things. not being able to speak.

whenever they are interviewed it goes something like


NEWS : "So your whats best described as a 'chavvy scummer ****wit'
CHAV : "innit"
NEWS : "So when did you first get into trouble with the police"
CHAV : "yesserday"
NEWS : "What was that for"
CHAV : "Sum stuff."
NEWS : "What stuff?"
CHAV : "I punched someone"
NEWS : "Why did you do that?"
CHAV : "I dunno....bored or sumfink"
NEWS : "Do you think that your anger is a result of having nothing to do and no facilities near your home?"
CHAV : "Dunno."


ITs always one word answers badly pronounced in some 'lazy ass shit' that barely passes for English let along communication of any sort that makes sense.
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Re: Spare a thought for the Chavs...

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CHAV : "I punched someone"
NEWS : "Why did you do that?"
CHAV : "I dunno....bored or sumfink"
fried gold. I think I understand why everybody disagrees with me. its because your all stupid.
only kidding . its because, to me, a chav is any young person who appears to have little individual personality on the surface - regardless of dress sense and the neccesity to have your named shorted and suffix with 'az' (eg, edmaz).

I image that I am simply misusing terminology.

I wish I couldlive somwhere else. *sigh*
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Re: Spare a thought for the Chavs...

no a chav is a snotty nosed 14 year old wearing white kappa gear and a gold 'bling bling' chain who swigs cider on the street corner and is always in a group.

the people who shout abuse at world war 2 veterans.
the people who smash things up just because they are bored
and the people who should really all be shunted off into military service and have a damn good kicking in the ass.
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Re: Spare a thought for the Chavs...

I dont think I've ever met a 'chav' so I suspect the entire subculture is a media invention.
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Re: Spare a thought for the Chavs...

i thought the whole ned thing in scotland was basically the same thing?
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Re: Spare a thought for the Chavs...

the whole chav bashing has been stupidly overdone by the press.
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the whole chav bashing has been stupidly overdone by the press.
yes, and the whole bystander bashing has been stupidly done many, many times, by the chavs.

anyone who thinks chavs aren't a problem just hasn't met any yet.
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i consider that highly unlikely
I think the worst thing about chav culture is that they are unpleasant to people they don't know for know apparent reason, which is a sign of social and moral imaturity. Don't you agree Yahwe?

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the whole chav bashing has been stupidly overdone by the press.
I agree, and I think that if I had said that in the first place, all this would have worked out a lot better.
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I hate the word chav, out of all the variations of referring to the same thing why did "chav" have to be the one the media picks up on and puts on a pedestal. The word has no verve.
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I agree, but I never found any of the others much more attractive. The word 'chorer' used to really get on my nut. Nice avatar, btw (deepflow).
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P.S, I can't think of a single thing to like about Chavs. They are just the quintessential peasants; ill-educated, ill-shod, ill-clothed, ill-housed, ill-informed, ill-fed.

This does not, however, mean that we should lose sight of the fact that they should be brought out of this squalor. Blind hatred is not the answer. Nor is an acceptance of their situation as merely 'all that should be expected of the working class.'
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yes, and the whole bystander bashing has been stupidly done many, many times, by the chavs.

anyone who thinks chavs aren't a problem just hasn't met any yet.
I don't doubt that incineration of chavs is an option we should consider.
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They're just culturally different. There is somthing to be said for their culture too - It's simplistic, and not at all shy about the fact that it is sexually driven.
It isn't really all that sexually driven, at least, in contrast to the rest of society; how could it, since so much of it is derived from mainstream influences? It's just vulgar. (In the traditional sense of the term, i.e, overly ostentatious and centred around simplistic notions of aesthetics, etc.)
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This does not, however, mean that we should lose sight of the fact that they should be brought out of this squalor. Blind hatred is not the answer. Nor is an acceptance of their situation as merely 'all that should be expected of the working class.'
Bravo, wot! Couldn't agree more! thats why I wrote this thread in the first place...
People need to reconcider their relationship with chavs - disregarding them as being bellow our level doesn't help the situation at all. I'm glad sombody can say what I mean .
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It isn't really all that sexually driven, at least, in contrast to the rest of society;
I'm not saying that it is in contrast to the rest of us - I'm quite firmly of the belief that we are all very sexually driven, and that sex is the prime concern of all societies (perhaps thats over simplistic, but you get the idea).

I just think there is some merit in being honest about that, rather than politely skirting around the issue of sex, as some (by no means all) of society does.
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I think the worst thing about chav culture is that they are unpleasant to people they don't know for know apparent reason, which is a sign of social and moral imaturity. Don't you agree Yahwe?
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Whathave I done to offend you Yahwe? Your being mean and nasty and unkind and horrid and wicked and cruel for no reason whatsoever, as far as I can see. I would be grateful if you would explain yourself.
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Whathave I done to offend you Yahwe? Your being mean and nasty and unkind and horrid and wicked and cruel for no reason whatsoever, as far as I can see. I would be grateful if you would explain yourself.
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Yahwe.. despite him being a laywer, being upperclass, being relatively rich, knowing a lot of big impressive words, feeling superior to others and perfectioning the art of conforming to etiquetes, deep down there, there's a little insecure bitch that can't live without his etiquetes to guide him through his life of boredom and dullness.

I bet deep down he hates the fact that he is attracted to men. Goodness how sad.
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your reasoning was flawed.

I 'know you' in the sense that i have read your posts. chavs (you are suggesting) are mean to people on first sight.

social and moral immaturity. what are mature morals? that makes no sense. as to social maturity, there is no such thing. only social skill which the user deploys or chooses not to deploy as he sees fit. there is no maturity in being vapid, vacuous and nice to everyone. rather that is the route of the fool and the coward.

you suggest i have no apparent reason

yet clearly you post utter crap which is frequently difficult to even read.
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Yahwe.. despite him being a laywer, being upperclass, being relatively rich, knowing a lot of big impressive words, feeling superior to others and perfectioning the art of conforming to etiquetes, deep down there, there's a little insecure bitch that can't live without his etiquetes to guide him through his life of boredom and dullness.

I bet deep down he hates the fact that he is attracted to men. Goodness how sad.
you're feeling very brave tonight i see.

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The thing that cracks me up, is that I made a post once about my bodyfat percentage being 13% (and I was aiming for 10%). And Yahwe actually used to call me fat HAHAH. He actually used that in one upmanship - whilest all the time, he looked like this:

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Throughout the time here I saw some pictures of him, and the only thing I remember when his picture comes in mind is the hidden desperation, the hunger for recognition that shines behind the facade.
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Re: Spare a thought for the Chavs...

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Throughout the time here I saw some pictures of him, and the only thing I remember when his picture comes in mind is the hidden desperation, the hunger for recognition that shines behind the facade.
i hope you aren't saying that from that picture.

your silly little polemic wouldn't make sense then. given that in that picture the only thing shining is the facade
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Re: Spare a thought for the Chavs...

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whilest all the time, he looked like this
come on spiderman, its not fair to take digs at people appearance, and anyway, apart from the toffish expression, he's not so bad looking, though he could excersise more. If you want to insult people, its most effective to insult their actual flaws - which in Yahwe's case is his unfreindly nature and superior attitude. Other than that, I like his nickname - its just his character that gets to me.

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