School Uniforms

[Nodrog]

Originally Posted by Marilyn Manson

Mabye people just think in a kind of half-arsed way that they look smart on the kids rather than this being one giant conspiracy of the Collectivist-Socialist elite now controlling our lives and messing with our bodily fluids from their hideout on Moon Base Alpha.

I think designer clothes generally look smart, and it's interesting to speculate what the public reaction would be if a school were to accept a sponsorship deal with Armani which allowed them to design their uniforms and sell them to the children at market prices.

Besides, rich people can afford to dress their kids 'smartly', school uniforms or not.

[Marilyn Manson]

Originally Posted by Nodrog

I think designer clothes generally look smart, and it's interesting to speculate what the public reaction would be if a school were to accept a sponsorship deal with Armani which allowed them to design their uniforms and sell them to the children at market prices.

I'm not sure how this validates the idea that the present system is underpinned by every school in the country attempting to subtly indoctrinate the kiddies, as you advocate. Surely the most obvious reason for the present policy towards uniforms is a sort of conservatism on the part of schools to meddle with something broadly traditional, which is, ultimately, largerly an irrelevance to educational policy anyway?

In short, I think you're reading something into this which doesn't really exist.

[pablissimo]

MM in 10,000 post watershed t-minus one.

[Stew]

Originally Posted by Nusselt

you're a tool of the man, manson

Not he first time I've seen Manson and a man's tool in the same sentence on these boards.

[Marilyn Manson]

Rock the Casbah.

[Nodrog]

Originally Posted by Marilyn Manson

I'm not sure how this validates the idea that the present system is underpinned by every school in the country attempting to subtly indoctrinate the kiddies, as you advocate. Surely the most obvious reason for the present policy towards uniforms is a sort of conservatism on the part of schools to meddle with something broadly traditional, which is, ultimately, largerly an irrelevance to educational policy anyway?

In short, I think you're reading something into this which doesn't really exist.

To be fair, I did give a few other reasons why I think schools enforce uniforms, and in any case, no one reason is going to expain the totality of cases - I'm sure different schools have different reasons for their policies. In my opinion, the public association between 'uniforms' and 'good schools' would be the most common reason amongst private schools, closely followed by the desire to create loyalty towards the school. Regarding state schooling, while I do think that there is a conscious effort to both dumb down education and promote collectivism amongst children, I doubt this is the primary motivation for uniforms in the majority of cases (although i would certainly hold that it is the primary motivation for a lot of other state school policies).

On a sidenote, claiming that something is 'traditional' doesn't constitute an explanation - in fact it is an admission that you don't have one. Traditions generally originate for a reason. Yes, they are self-perpuating in the sense that they have a tendancy to become viewed as simply "the way things are done", but this is not how they began.

[Tomkat]

Why do you want to know which schools do and don't wear a uniform?

Odd question (mine, not yours).

[JonnyBGood]

I didn't know they wore uniforms in yale!

[Stew]

Originally Posted by JonnyBGood

I didn't know they wore uniforms in yale!

Talking of Yale (and yet again derailing the threads - sorry), reminded me of this site of a great prank.

[Sarina_Joy]

When I started High School there was no uniform as such - there was a school tie and 'school uniform' was black skirt/trousers and a white shirt with a blazer/cardigan/black jumper but it was never enforced. When I was in 3rd year the school ran a competition amongst the pupils to design a proper school uniform, the winning design was a burgundy blazer/skirt/trousers/whatever with a white shirt and the old school tie was kept. The uniform was then produced and sold in local shops but never actually made compulsary which always seemed a bit dumb to me - why go to all that trouble?!

Well I left High School a frightening 10 years ago. The burgundy uniform has since been dropped and it's back to the traditional black and white with tie, except now it IS compulsary. However the uniform is not a set design as such. Any black skirt/pair of trousers will do as long as they are smart/not a miniskirt/not jeans. Any white shirt will do. Any dark and 'smart' shoes will do. The argument put forward for making the uniform compulsary has always been that of equality - that everyone would be the same and it would reduce bullying and make life easier for those from a poor background. If that is the case then what the hell is the point in making compulsary a uniform which still leaves room for people to be singled out because they are wearing a Tesco value shirt and not a Ben Sherman or that they are wearing untrendy shoes and so on and on it goes?!

[Lupin]

Originally Posted by Tomkat

Why do you want to know which schools do and don't wear a uniform?

Odd question (mine, not yours).

i had a discussion a couple of days ago about the importance of school uniform.

"disappearing of social differences" was the main argument (ie: pupils wont get teased because of cheap clothes or something). she claimed this would work pretty excellent in england and we should do the same in germany. since i dont have any experiences with school uniforms and my opinion is just based on hypothetical thinking, i decided to come here and ask.

the end.

[Hicks]

Originally Posted by MrL_JaKiri

Usually, Public School has a uniform.

Most State Schools don't.

I can't think of a single state school I know of that doesn't have a uniform.

£1 non uniform days rocked \o/

[Radical Edward]

this thread does not contain any Japanese Schoolgirls. I am suprised.

[Embroglio]

Originally Posted by Toccata & Fugue

Yeah I was disappointed as well.

don't you have your own?

[Zar]

i don't know if anyone ever noticed when they were at school, but uniforms seemed to act as some sort of advertisement for the school. Whenever you went out of school during school time in your uniform you were expected to act smartly and to show proper discipline. It was almost as if the reputation of the school was your responsibility at that very moment and if you failed to show discipline you were punished for it (because the teachers explained that it reflected badly on the school)

I'm not sure this would have been the case with state schools, but it certainly was with public schools. One could also notice that Public/Private schools had more "elegant" uniforms, almost as if to show their supposedly "higher status" in the education and social league.

[Ebany]

Where I went to school it meant that the public knew which school to complain to when kids where running riot around town. To the extent that my school completely changed the uniform because it was too similar to the one for the girls comp down the road (My town had 2 girls grammaers, 2 boys grammarts, a girls comp and I'm not sure what else). They both had navy blue skirts and V-necked jumpers, but ours had a thin yellow, magenta and green stripe round the neck, whereas theirs had a red and white one.

We ended up in some maroon monstrosity. I assume this solved the problem of complaints. There again, knowing some of the people at my school, it may well not have done.

[Radical Edward]

Originally Posted by Toccata & Fugue

Yes, but Doesn't mean I don't like to pry into pther people's school girl fantasy's in order to legitimise my own fetish.

pics?

[Radical Edward]

too hard.

[NEWSBOT3]

Interests: embassy loitering, shrink-baiting

[Radical Edward]

I got that far. no pics tho.

[NEWSBOT3]

i was similarly disappointed.

[Nodrog]

Originally Posted by Toccata & Fugue

http://www.livejournal.com/users/mercedes_baxter/

Well there's her livejournal.

Why does she use the term 'man-friend' obsessively? Is it just some pointless raging against the linguistic machine, or is there an actual reason?

[JonnyBGood]

thought i would update 2day instead of complaining about the discussion of chavvism and chavdom which is rolling on the last post. can i please politely remind people that this is a nouveau-riche journal and that such a high level of attention devoted to chavs is unbecoming.

This is probably the worst opening of anything I've ever read and I'm including capmag articles in that.

[Nodrog]

Originally Posted by JonnyBGood

This is probably the worst opening of anything I've ever read and I'm including capmag articles in that.

http://pitchforkmedia.com/record-rev...ad/kid-a.shtml

[Radical Edward]

Originally Posted by Nodrog

Why does she use the term 'man-friend' obsessively? Is it just some pointless raging against the linguistic machine, or is there an actual reason?

is there a particular context in which she uses it i.e. only uses it with men she is shagging... or is it pretty much constant use?

[Dante Hicks]

Originally Posted by Nodrog

Why does she use the term 'man-friend' obsessively?

Probably because she's playing the child in her relationship and thus would be reluctant to use the term 'boyfriend'.

[Radical Edward]

can we get back onto school uniforms plz?

[roadrunner_0]

pleated skirts and pig tails mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

[Marilyn Manson]

Originally Posted by roadrunner_0

pleated skirts and pig tails mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

Sir, you are a paedophile.

[Nodrog]

On a sidenote, I never thought that I would ever use the term "self obsessed" as an insult, nor that I would even be able to without participating in some of the greatest hypocrisy known to man. But a look through the livejournals of Dante's friends, redshoesblues in partcular, shows just how grossly mistaken I was.

[Marilyn Manson]

Originally Posted by Nodrog

On a sidenote, I never thought that I would ever use the term "self obsessed" as an insult, nor that I would even be able to without participating in some of the greatest hypocrisy known to man. But a look through the livejournals of Dante's friends, redshoesblues in partcular, shows just how grossly mistaken I was.

Nod, the whole point of Liverjournal is to write about meaningless drivel which no-one, not even your mother, is particularly interested in. Being self-obsessed is largely the whole point of the excercise.

[Dante Hicks]

[roadrunner_0]

Originally Posted by Marilyn Manson

Sir, you are a paedophile.

you mistake me for dace sir.

[Dante Hicks]

Originally Posted by Marilyn Manson

Nod, the whole point of Liverjournal is to write about meaningless drivel which no-one, not even your mother, is particularly interested in. Being self-obsessed is largely the whole point of the excercise.

I'm tempted to agree on the whole, but it doesn't actually seem that much different from foruming, albeit the subject matter is attention whoring. If no-one read it, I probably wouldn't bother, but I'm aware of at least 20 people who read mine for instance. What this says about their respective lives is another matter.

[Nodrog]

Originally Posted by Marilyn Manson

Nod, the whole point of Liverjournal is to write about meaningless drivel which no-one, not even your mother, is particularly interested in. Being self-obsessed is largely the whole point of the excercise.

Most livejournals are self-obsessed by definition and there's nothing at all wrong with being self-obsessed. Vanilla ice-cream is nice too but I wouldnt really want to find 2000 kilograms of it in my kitchen.

[Marilyn Manson]

Originally Posted by roadrunner_0

you mistake me for dace sir.

You'd shag Boris Yeltsin if he dressed up in a schoolgirl uniform, said he was 16 and called 'Sonia', and agreed to have a threesome with you and your girlfriend, and don't even contemplate denying it for a minute.

[Stew]

Originally Posted by Dante Hicks

I'm aware of at least 20 people who read mine for instance.

But you didn't update it for over a month

What this says about their respective lives is another matter.

[Dante Hicks]

Originally Posted by Stew

But you didn't update it for over a month

I was wondering the wilderness, comrade.

[queball]

wandering?

[Tactitus]

Originally Posted by Dante Hicks

I was wondering the wilderness, comrade.

We shall expect a travelogue forthwith, then.

[Dante Hicks]

No, wondering. I didn't actually go anywhere.

[roadrunner_0]

Originally Posted by Marilyn Manson

You'd shag Boris Yeltsin if he dressed up in a schoolgirl uniform, said he was 16 and called 'Sonia', and agreed to have a threesome with you and your girlfriend, and don't even contemplate denying it for a minute.

bollocks, i actually have quite high standards for an ugly bloke

[Marilyn Manson]

Originally Posted by roadrunner_0

bollocks, i actually have quite high standards for an ugly bloke

You're not ugly.

[pablissimo]

Imaginative 'get a room' styled comment.

[roadrunner_0]

im worried now

[Marilyn Manson]

All I'm saying is it's ridiculous to say that you're ugly. I've lived in Stockton for most of my life, and I certainly know ugliness when I see it. And you do not have it.

I just thought it was such a startling piece of nonsense it needed rectification. That's all.

[roadrunner_0]

ah, fair enough

[Nusselt]

Originally Posted by Nodrog

That depends on what you mean by 'collectivism'. I was using it in the sense of encouraging people to identify themselvs as a part of a group they contingently belong to (be it 'class', 'race', 'school attended' or whatever). Assuming you mean something similar, I'd be curious why you believed that it was a necessary part of structured education.

i just remembered this, i don't understand what you just or even possibly before