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Originally Posted by Dante Hicks
I'm not sure anyone here is claiming to be Saints that are making the world a better place. We are all flawed individuals (except Jonny <3) living our own lives. What exactly is wrong with spending some of our lives talking about the world a better place? Not just for the ""starving masses" but for us. I think *my* life (not some random African) would be substantially improved under an alternative set of social arrangements. Of course the benefits to others (who are starving) would indeed be immense, but this isn't all (or even mainly) philanthropy.
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I agree with the thrust of your point here. This is why I refuted T&F's argument when he suggested that socialism be imposed for largely altruistic reasons. It was never my intention to claim that you or anyone else shared that motivation with him. In fact I'm not really sure why you think I did claim that.