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Re: 40 Days of Infallible Proofs

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Hard Atheist sentiment with no basis in logical thought.
Actually, it's the only logical standpoint.

Logic tells us that empiricism is the way forward, and, empirically, there is no god.

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Everything is able to move under its own power?
Quite a few things start to move under their own volition. Take a proton, for example, which decays into a neutron, a positron and a neutrino. The proton may well be stationary, but the resulting particles aren't. The "first mover" statement is invalid because it presumes this kind of interaction cannot exist.

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So gravity, heat energy, and binding force are just icing on the cake then?
Obviously this isn't a counterargument to what you posted either.

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What you are proposing is called perpetual motion
Actually, it isn't. He doesn't imply a 100% efficiency in his interactions.

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and according to the laws of physics and the laws of thermodynamics perpetual motion is simply not possible in the macroscopic world
Physics is grand isn't it, especially when we ignore the bits that are in direct opposition to the bible.

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The “Garden Allegory” demonstrates this proof well. For instance, if in a jungle there is a patch of land resembling a garden that is cultivated, planted and weeded, then there must be a gardener.
Doesn't follow. And if you're trying to compare this universe (and, perhaps, evolution?) to a well organised garden, you're laughably off. The natural world is a terrible hodgepodge of random entities.

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In other words, things that do not have intelligence do not tend toward a result unless directed by some one knowing and intelligent.
Again, incorrect. Simple logic arrives us at evolution (which is a counter example to your claim) purely based upon the assumption that there is random genetic change.

Which there is.

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Take, for example, Fibonacci's number, or pi.
I hope you mean the golden ratio, phi, by "Fibonacci's number", although noone ever calls it that.

The Fibonnaci numbers are an infinite sequence.

Pi occurs all over the place, but that's mostly an artifact of the measuring of angles in radians; pi wouldn't occur in many things if this wasn't the case, and the constant of proportionalities would change accordingly.

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Take also, for example, the law of gravity or the truths of mathematics.
There is no "law of gravity", and mathematics is an inevitabilitiy of the logical system under which it is constructed.

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These axioms are all a natural order which humans do not create.
Misuse of "axioms", and no scientific theory is an axiom.

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Therefore, these laws must imply a lawmaker. This Lawmaker can be no other than God Himself.
Neither of these bits follows. It's the classic "A->B, therefore God" fallacies.

I'm becoming more and more convinced that you're just copy and pasting these from somewhere, as you appear not to have a clue what you're talking about.
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