[-Blue Moon-]

i wouldnt usually post this publically, but the stats are horrendous.
no offense to whoever worked hard on them, i know how hard it can be to make stats especially when you're being PMd and pressured by multiple sources to change certain things, but this time there's so many flaws, and so many useless attack fleets that i cannot begin to fathom why these were released.

understandably many people may overlook these flaws because of the excitement of the new race and cluster etas, but i'm posting this to try and open their eyes to a very poor set of stats.

here's my brief single-class attack-fleet overview:
(red=no-go, orange=acceptable risk, green=riskless/easy roids)

FI
Xan v Ter Pegasus and Banshee have same init, Harpy kills late but without reprise
Xan v Cath Beetle freezes FI but Phantom will target later if unfrozen
Xan v Xan Wraith(co) kills FI as Apparition(fi) kills FR-def, Phantom then returns fire to Wraith, and Nightmare shoot last
Xan v Zik Apparition(fi) kills Corsair(fr) pre-fire, Phantom kills stealer pre-fire
Xan v Etd Vendor freezes FI but Phantom will later target if unfrozen

CO
Cath v Ter Phoenix shoots without being targeted
Cath v Cath Spider(fi) EMPs before Beetle(co) rendering them useless, WM(cr) kills w/out reprise
Cath v Xan Beetle stun Phantom easily, but Spectre kill without reprise
Cath v Zik Beetle stun Cutlass (stealer)
Cath v Etd Viper stun Ranger

FR
Xan v Ter Nightmare kills Mandrake(fi) pre-fire, but Syren(cr) shoots without reprise
Xan v Cath Viper(co) EMPs without reprise
Xan v Xan Apparition(fi) kills pre-fire, spirit kills without reprise
Xan v Zik Buccaneer(cr) steals without reprise
Xan v Etd Shadow kills Tycoon(bs) pre-fire but Voyager(co) kills without reprise

Etd v Ter Mandrake(fi) kills without reprise, Dealer kills Syren(cr) pre-fire
Etd v Cath Viper(co) EMPs and is later targeted by Ranger
Etd v Xan Apparition(fi) kills without reprise, Spirit(co) kills before Ranger
Etd v Zik Dealer kills Buccaneer(cr) pre-steal
Etd v Etd Voyager(co) and Ranger co-kill, Tycoon(bs) kills Merchant pre steal

DE
Ter v Ter Chimera and Dragon(bs) co-kill
Ter v Cath Roach(cr) EMPs Drake, but is later targeted
Ter v Xan Banshee(fi) and Pegasus co-kill
Ter v Zik Thief(fr) steal without reprise, Pirate(bs) kills pre-init
Ter v Etd vagabond(fi) and pegasus co-kill, drake kills investor(cr) prekill

Zik v Ter Clipper kills Dragon(bs) preinit
Zik v Cath Roach(cr) EMPs Rogue, is later stolen
Zik v Xan Banshee(fi) kills without reprise
Zik v Zik Thief(fr) steals without reprise, pirate(bs) kills preinit
Zik v Etd Vagabond(fi) kills without reprise, investor(bs) kills late but presteal


CR
Cath v Ter Drake(de) and Wyvern(bs) both EMPd, but both later take revenge
Cath v Cath Scorpion(bs) is stunned prekill, scarab EMPs without reprise
Cath v Xan Roach EMPs Ghost(de)
Cath v Zik Roach EMPs Rogue(de) presteal
Cath v Etd Dealer(fr) kills without reprise, Broker(bs) shoots poststun(useless)

Zik v Ter Drake(de) kills without reprise, Wyvern(bs) kills without reprise
Zik v Cath Scarab(fr) EMPs and is later stolen, Scorpion(bs) kills pre-steal
Zik v Xan Ghost(de) kills without reprise
Zik v Zik Rogue(de) steals without reprise
Zik v Etd Broker(bs) EMPs and is later stolen, Dealer(fr) kills pre-stolen


BS
Ter v Ter Chimera(de) kills without reprise
Ter v Cath Mantis(fr) kills without reprise, Tarantula(cr) EMPs but is later killed
Ter v Xan Shadow(fr) kills without reprise
Ter v Zik Clipper(de) kills pre-fired-on, Marauder(cr) is killed pre-steal
Ter v Etd Merchant(fr) steals without reprise

Etd v Ter Chimera(de) kills without reprise
Etd v Cath Tycoon kills Mantis(fr) prefire, scorpion(bs) makes broker useless emp
Etd v Xan Shadow(fr) shoots before it is targeted
Etd v Zik Clipper(de) kills without reprise, marauder(cr) is EMPd by broker
Etd v Etd Tycoon kills Merchant(fr) pre-steal


I have a number of suggestions, but how well they would be able to repair these stats - that's the question... if there isn't a sufficient reply to this thread i'll piss off and die, but if anyone takes the time to realise how bad they are, and if stats team wants the help, I'm offering my services to help fix them.


-tux