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Originally Posted by Zh|l

I am against cheating but I don't automatically subscribe to the view that Clouds is guilty. I was told in no uncertain terms if I saw a certain page - it would prove the guilt and it didn't.

I agree with you, I am of course no longer a MH and cant see the tools etc to prove if Clouds is cheating or not, however, I did witness myself the other day just from an attack on one of our members 4 fleets acting as escorting fleets.. these 4 planets recalled EXACTLY the same time. Now.. I am not questioning BFs organisational skills but even in Legion we didn't manage to get planets to recall with such precision to the exact same second. Seems to much of a coincidence to me. And yes I will be reporting these actions to the MHs before I am told to by your members again as I am sure they will see more via ips and login times etc. behind the scenes. But from a former MH just from the naked eye that's suspicious to me.

Originally Posted by Zh|l

Additionally I am NOT High Council within BlackFlag, My position within the alliance was at first to help with politics and then at mid point to take control of politics. Even when I took control of politics I was/am still not a High Council member. I have no voting power nor control over any other aspect of Black Flag.

I'm sort of confused here about your 'role'. If you have no official authority nor are you a HC how can you be dictating politics to the HC team of the alliance? (ie controlling it) and also speaking on behalf of the alliance to other allie reps? Basically your doing what Forest did in your description.. and when ever Forest came and asked about politics my response would be the same 'Unless you actually have authority to speak to me then this is just a general chat'. So therefore I think you have more responsibility then just running politics.

Originally Posted by Zh|l

Even if it is proven some elements of BF HC cheated, I am not the internet police. Resigning from my post would only done nothing at all and my obligation is to the many members of Black Flag which as others have pointed out are definitely not cheating.

This to me, looks like you know they are cheating but don't wish to admit it with the first few words of the above quote. Correct your not the internet police, however, your still a representative of an allie that could be cheating. In real life if your married to a serial killer, the people don't look at you and think you must be innocent for only been a partner, instead they prosecute you also as surely you would have some idea of this going on. I never stated you had to just leave the alliance however, you also don't have to completely deny this is going on. Instead you can publically force out cheaters and make it known. For the good of the other members of the alliance who are putting in effort without the means of breaking the rules.

Originally Posted by Zh|l

Should I abandon them just because of other people wishes? If I had resigned straight away this round would have been over long ago and you'd all be moaning right now about stagnation instead.

To be honest I am not moaning at all before the usual people appear claiming I am 'whining'. I've found this small 'war' of BF hitting us quite amusing lately. I mean its got you pretty much no where but by all means keep hitting us However, this 'stagnation' you speak of.. wasn't (until the 'block' started hitting the top 2) BF and CT napped to each other? So therefore first and second were not hitting each other? That to me is some type of stagnation..

Originally Posted by Zh|l

As for the scan bot, that's really not my area of expertise. If Black Flag were told by PA Team that it was legal then that's between the BF HC and PA Team. Since I have no planet, I've not had to use scans at all so I've not noticed to it's exact makeup.

To be fair its not just BF using this script so I am not really discriminating against them. The only reason why I did bring it up was due to the Officers of BF openly admitting on this thread they were using it. Now personally I don't understand why Appoco or any of the PA team are allowing this to happen. Its a bot/script from my understanding that is taking away the human element in a planet. So.. why don't we have this type of thing for sending our fleets/recalling fleets? Doing constructions/research? If its legal to allow scans to be instant and removing the human element then surely we might as well just have fully controlled bot planets...

Originally Posted by Clouds

Whine whine whine. Do we care if we win or not? Yes. Do we care of your whining? No. If you have a problem then go to MHs, but please stop this pathetic witch hunt. It's quite sad and achieves nothing. I do find it entertaining how you're trying to use the power of propaganda to influence readers that BF is disbanding. We lost one member and that was due to an internal issue which I will not talk about. Also the scan stats end of round will show that angryduck from CT uses a scan script.

First of all we are not 'whining.' Second lf all maybe the reason why people keep posting on these boards is because you wont answer a few simple questions? Now, I don't like Butcher at all but the questions/points he asked on page 2 you refused to answer and are most likely true. Ie this second tag (Titans) it had ex BF members in it correct? So, was this due to the BF tag was full? You were also napped in game to this tag from what I gather which also makes people believe that you were again connected to this tag (not just because of 'former' members) Also did you attack with them? (ie any cooperation at all?) If so then this tag alone was a breach of the Support planet rule (If you wish I can lecture you on what a support planet is.. I did invent the stupid rule in the first place) without even bringing in the fact they were closed for bot planets etc.

Its not really 'propaganda' for stating the truth/obvious. You cant honestly tell me, a tag which had former members of your alliance in, that you were napped to ingame with, and cooperated with, that you had no knowledge that they were cheating.. this is why people don't believe you Clouds.

Nor am I trying to say you are disbanding. I simply said people (or person) who have left your alliance have openly admitted you guys are cheating. That's not propaganda or slander when I can provide evidence:

Originally Posted by oil

That said, I just got kicked from bf for complaining about cheating. They are cheating, but as far as I can tell that puts them in the same league as ult and fl. None of you should be proud of your achievements