[JonnyBGood]

Originally Posted by Fuzzy

not hitting the #1 alliance at any point is retarded, but so is listening to the arguments from the members (ellonweb, lokken, yourself) of a rival alliance (ascendancy: one which is well known for its great military ability and use of politics) who are attempting to browbeat you into following a certain action. (in this instance hitting apprime - (with a block from the looks of it))

Except that that's a clear ad hominem. We're either right or we're wrong, either Apprime are a bigger threat than Ascendancy or they aren't. It doesn't matter who's advancing the argument, it's true or it's false independent of that. Also I've never proposed hitting anyone with a block (my posts before today in this thread have been largely tongue-in-cheek commentary on the fluidity with which alliance relations have changed in recent rounds).

im not trying to say ascendancy are the bigger threat,

Originally Posted by You, one post ago

if ascendancy have approached this round with their game faces on, they should be regarded as equal/superior to apprime, despite the events of last round and the first couple of hundred ticks.

but to write ascendancy off (as it seems the asc posters are trying to do) is silly. apprime have 6k more roids and 15 more players at tick 210. even if asc dont have players out of tag, theyre capable of getting more members with late signups as they often do. 15 late signups mining 500 roids each is 7500 roids ascendancy could pull out of thin air in under 5 days.

Who's writing ascendancy off? I doubt anyone would do that, as you say we have a good history. And it's not about roids. Value wins rounds. For every single day so far this round, and for at least 2-3 more days regardless of what happens Apprime will have been mining more roids than Ascendancy, and everyone else for that matter. That sort of value growth takes time to outpace. We'd have to maintain a similar roid lead over you guys to then be in that position. If we capped up to your roidcount tomorrow we'd still be behind on value and we'd still never get in front unless you crashed badly or we went ahead on roidcount and stayed ahead. Talking about late signups and out of tag planets and shit is pretty laughable as well. What are those extra eight spaces intag for you guys there for? Self-handicapping 1up style?

as stated im not trying to use such speculation to support an argument of 'ascendancy is the strongest ally and most likely to win',

Ignoring the fact you stated exactly that...

merely point out that the downplaying of ascendancys chances are boring and means very little to the people who have been paying attention these past few rounds.

You mean like last round where people said Ascendancy weren't going to win and we didn't win and you guys won? Or like r30 where half of your alliance was in Ascendancy and won? I'm confused!