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Originally Posted by lokken

What people don't understand is that Apprime in terms of activity, outstrip everyone else by a very large margin. The systems they have in place (and which HanzI has bragged about on many occasions) are way beyond anything used by other alliances.

this remains to be seen. the apprime system appears to be somewhat of a clone of the ascendancy system, and ascendancy have shown their capabilities many, many times recently.

if ascendancy have approached this round with their game faces on, they should be regarded as equal/superior to apprime, despite the events of last round and the first couple of hundred ticks.

Originally Posted by Gio2k

You'll find the most recent history entry is rd32. Where Asc even let Lukeylove get roided to the ground in order to get not only top gal but top planet as well.

so because this happened last round we can disregard the four previous rounds in a row ascendancy were the winning ally along with the many other winning rounds in its history, and look at it as a flagshipping alliance with more interest in top gal/planet? even light wouldnt say something so silly /o\

Originally Posted by Gio2k

To be honest, Asc (if they indeed have what it takes to be contenders) should be Apprimes concern, not p3nguins or Visions.

asc should be the concern of any alliance wishing to win this round just as much as apprime.

if vision or penguins want to win they have to defeat apprime and see ascendancy as the realistic threat they could very well be. big picture.

reactionary, short sighted politics of 'LETS GO FOR THE NUMBER BEFORE THEY GET TOO BIG!!1!1!' have been the cause of many allies in recent history to fail

Originally Posted by Gio2k

However, i don't think Ascendancy has enough members / activity to be a threat to #1. (No offense to you Ascendants, you guys are welcome to prove me wrong!! )

then you clearly havent been around or paying attention the past few rounds.

Originally Posted by lokken

Maddix submits that we choose an Apprime victory or Ascendancy having strong galaxies. He effectively presents the two alliances as two equal evils in the universe. While the former results in everyone being overrun, the latter simply results in an alliance, small in number but with a few galaxies and planets having a big score.

its amusing that asc propaganda machine rolls out the same thing every round yet people always buy it

the downplaying of asc's ability here is fantastic, especially saying that theyre small in number due to the fact theyre 15 members less on sandmans. planets outside tag+late signups+shipjumpers will easily make up for that by the mid point of the round.

IF everyone buys the ascendancy propaganda and wars with apprime (interesting that ascendancy are demanding penguins initiate the war here) by the time of late signups when ascendancy get their reinforcements, victory could well be within their grasp.