Exactly Nadar
and sorry Kjeldoran, my choice of phrase was poor
I can only speak for Orbit, but i know others are similar in as much as over half our memberbase had either not been in an alliance before, but with the philosophy that everyone has to start somewhere we have accepted low average scores in previous rounds, and are now ready we feel to try and establish ourselves.
I guess at 9.00 tonight we begin to find out