[[B5]Londo]

Originally Posted by booji

If people wanted to play in strong alliances surely there would be a natural inclination towards there being another ally like Ult but we dont see this happening. Whenever there is a challenger it is almost invariably pretty weak compared to full size ult. I suspect you are drawing on the phenomena of Ult and assuming that you can apply it to two allies at once. But what if it is only true for ult?

In the same way that once upon a time I remember people constantly whinging that Ascendancy couldnt be beat because they had all the good players, there are enough great players arount that an anti-ult of equal calibre could exist at a tag limit of anywhere between 60 and 100. The problem is always going to be herding enough of the dedicated and active players into one place, because as you say BB is wrong, players dont want to be in a strong ally per-se; they want to have fun, and that means playing with their mates is as important as being in a strong ally.